Succesful djs but not producers???

[DJMAYA]

who do you know of that is a succesful touring dj but does not produce their own music? i dont know of any but just wondered.
please excuse my ignorance if its toooo obvious!!!


mooooooaaaa aaa a a a a :evil:

[MARKEG]

well that was me up until about 2-3 yrs ago!

i think it's very, very hard to make a name for yourself these days without releases under your belt. i was very proud of the fact i didn't do it until later on in my dj life. and i think that really helps you too.

my opinion of course :)

[Tiptoe]

yeah i have to agree cos in Leeds alone there are so many talented dj's that are much better than some of the big guys but they just don't produce. Its a shame it is like this. :cry:

[Komplex]

I think it sucks that dj's feel they have to write music just to be sucessful at what they do best, dj'ing.

[Komplex]

*And in many cases, the ones that do go ahead and write music, end up writing trash because they don't really have a creative musical bone in their body but are just great at mixing and being a kick arse dj.

*does not apply to all dj's who write music. Some guys are really good at both.

[dirty_bass]

And in many cases, the ones that do go ahead and write music, end up writing trash because they don't really have a creative musical bone in their body but are just great at mixing and being a kick arse dj.
This really does take an account for all the loopy crap that fills the market. No talent DJ`s knocking out a few loops in someones studio, and thinking it`s great cos they made it.

[eyes without a face]

this is a problem in most genres i think, but in techno with alot of DJ's their success and bookings are affected by the fact that they release records.

its a tough one indeed

[scotttechfunk]

There's an excellent drum and bass DJ named Bryan Gee who has been DJing for about 10 years and only in the past year has got into producing. Nowadays though it definatey seems that production will give you the in-roads into DJing which is why i'm focusing all my energy into learning production while my DJing skills temporarily go to sheeet.

[miss bass]

Yeh you definately need productions under your belt.

I think prodcution / creation of music interests me more though than djing to be honest. I think once i start buying more equipment and even getting into live pa, djing will not be as important to me. I just love sitting down and like making mad drum patterns and stuff. :)
My dream would to be infront of thousands sharing with them a live pa, with me surrounded by equipment, just being so creative and making mad sounds / rhythms. That would be soooooo ace.
Then id love to improvise some psychotic sounding jazz impro or chords over some phat beats. (hmm sounds like a plan)

Id still love to dj though. :)

[Tiptoe]

once i get some more money saved up i would love to get into the live pa side of things too. Would love to do the visuals as well think that would be ace controlling what people hear and see. Take em on a real trip

[miss bass]

visuals too! cant wait to learn some of that at Uni!!!

[Tiptoe]

visuals too! cant wait to learn some of that at Uni!!!

neither can i you can teach me lol ;)

[TripleX]

that´s why lots of deejays are shit, they get booked because of the records they have done, no matter whether they mix good or not :neutral:

[DJMAYA]

yea well thats what i was getting at,

i dont have enough money/time at the moment to buy equipment as well as records, but i cant get gigs out of my country without releases so its like i HAVE to start writing seriously. i know i can do it i just dont have the resources at this time. im poor and always have been! i dont want to write just cos i have to though ya know.
i play here mosts weekends but its not enough money to survive on, i NEED MORE. hah hahahhaa a aa aa :cool:

[Jimfish]

this is a problem in most genres i think, but in techno with alot of DJ's their success and bookings are affected by the fact that they release records.

its a tough one indeed

This is true.. and i believe its a big part of what is killing things.. too many DJs want so desperatly to release music to push thier profile that loads of crap records end up floating around watering down the industry. There are only so many records can be released each month, and the more people are making music the less people are buying it..

[DJMAYA]

u are right Jimfish.

money has to play a part in all this also dunnit, like i mean obviously some have more money than others and can just write and release a track if they want to without it being a mind expanding piece of work.

and i did say some people :lol:

[Komplex]

this is a problem in most genres i think, but in techno with alot of DJ's their success and bookings are affected by the fact that they release records.

its a tough one indeed

This is true.. and i believe its a big part of what is killing things.. too many DJs want so desperatly to release music to push thier profile that loads of crap records end up floating around watering down the industry. There are only so many records can be released each month, and the more people are making music the less people are buying it..

*Yeah it shows how weird and fake the industry is. Thats why many are having major troubles making ends meet.

Specialise in what you do and do it to the best of your ability I say. If you're a dj, be the best dj you can be and you'll no doubt get good gigs in due time. It does take plenty of time, skill, effort and heaps of dedication. Put some mix cd's out overseas or something. Put your sets up on the net etc.

Writing trash music to further your dj career is lame. It doesn't represent your skill as a dj in any way whatsoever.

Sure its worked for a few people, but they are the exception. It shouldn't be a formula for every Tom, Dick and Harry.


Same goes for artists. If you don't dj, don't accept dj gigs if you can't mix records. Simple as that. It does nothing good for your credibility when you rock up and do poor dj sets each and every time..


*not everyone may agree with these views.

[killarava2day]

Same goes for artists. If you don't dj, don't accept dj gigs if you can't mix records. Simple as that. It does nothing good for your credibility when you rock up and do poor dj sets each and every time...

Maybe this is why I'd become so jaded re some Djs over time, hmm?

[DJMAYA]

it is really a funny one because often people dj much differently to their productions, or you cant really hear what they will dj like from listening to their productions.

i wonder if its always been like this....

first the egg, or the chicken

buk buk buk :neutral:

[TripleX]

many german dj´s can´t mix no shit, but get booked cause they release record after record.
that´s the way it is, sad but true :neutral:

[killarava2day]

many german dj´s can´t mix no shit, but get booked cause they release record after record.
that´s the way it is, sad but true :neutral:

Really? Care to name names...

[tekara]

dont want to drop names, but Andreas Kramer is not exactly the best DJ. I have heard many of his sets and although they are pumping and thundering, he couldnt mix even two records together without wrecking. Im not slamming him in any way, i just say it how it is. Out of the Construct Rhythm crew, i would say that Kay D Schmidt is the better of the DJ's...


i hope i dont get flamed for this! :dontevengothere:

[romelpotter]

i have sort off given up on producing for a while, i set myself very high standards (i.e. stuff that I would play in a mix), i do a track and listen to it thinking hmmm this is just shit. :cry: .
I am gonna compleatly re asses my production methods/style over the next year or so whilst i concentrate on making a name for myself dj'ing and subsonica.
One thing i will never do is release stuff just for the sake of it. i have confidence in my abilaty to make great music, its just not there at the moment. build a fan base through dj/subsonica then when i can hit out with some hard fast ass techno classical monster tunes :twisted: :twisted: all in good time ;)

[andy james]

many german dj´s can´t mix no shit, but get booked cause they release record after record.
that´s the way it is, sad but true :neutral:

Really? Care to name names...

i have a lars klein live mix that is pretty horrible as far as mixing goes...good track selection though. same with michael burkat.

[Alan Oldham]

I think a bunch of this is sour grapes. In my view, making your own tracks is like earning your stripes on the global circuit. It's what separates the locals from the internationals in an industry that has no checks and balances. There is a reason why people don't get big just from DJing. We have now seen that damn near anybody can DJ, so what separates the wannabes from the contenders?

Making music/records.

When I was growing up in Detroit, there were guys who never made records and those that did. The ones that didn't got left behind. The gay, street and cabaret jocks who are still there to this day.

And a couple of you sound like DJs are the only ones who make bad records. There are plenty of DJ/producers out there who destroy the room everytime they play. But what about a guy who's testing out his new software and decides to release the track? The guy who gets Ableton Live and thinks he's Richie Hawtin? Plenty of blame for bad music to go around.

;)

[DJMAYA]

na you're way wrong there Alan.

not everyone can dj. I mean most that try can pull something off but im talking about real musical ability in a dj. that takes more than just want if ya know what i mean.

[tioneb]

I think a bunch of this is sour grapes. In my view, making your own tracks is like earning your stripes on the global circuit. It's what separates the locals from the internationals in an industry that has no checks and balances. There is a reason why people don't get big just from DJing. We have now seen that damn near anybody can DJ, so what separates the wannabes from the contenders?

Making music/records.

When I was growing up in Detroit, there were guys who never made records and those that did. The ones that didn't got left behind. The gay, street and cabaret jocks who are still there to this day.

And a couple of you sound like DJs are the only ones who make bad records. There are plenty of DJ/producers out there who destroy the room everytime they play. But what about a guy who's testing out his new software and decides to release the track? The guy who gets Ableton Live and thinks he's Richie Hawtin? Plenty of blame for bad music to go around.

;)

Hmm what u say is partly true : production skills is a kindof selection between a pool of good DJs. The number of DJs has increased so much that it was necessary to make a difference between them, though some talents get ignored.

But the fact is that we all have our own good examples of good producers who are bad DJs, and that are booked all the time. We also have the people who want to get famous and create thier own label to issue records that are crap. Thats one of the reason of the techno market collapsing imo.

So now, to push your name, you have to produce some very good tracks. This is something really hard for us, young people. Alan, you did not suffer from this becasue when u started the scene was really smaller (of course we dont doubt of your talent, you wouldnt be here after these years otherwise =))))

Personnally i take this fact in a good way : this motivation helps me to work my track and improve my production skills every day. But as im really bad in this, i just suffer of being stuck mixing in my room for a few more years.

[Musashi]

many german dj´s can´t mix no shit, but get booked cause they release record after record.
that´s the way it is, sad but true :neutral:

Really? Care to name names...

i have a lars klein live mix that is pretty horrible as far as mixing goes...good track selection though. same with michael burkat.

Talking about german djs..? Ok, so here's my message in german:

Was macht denn wohl Deiner Meinung nach einen guten DJ uas ? Anscheinend nur die Technik, oder ? Hast Du schon mal darüber nachgedacht, dass auch DJs eventuell, wenn ihr set im club aufgenommen wird, mit technischen Problemen (z. B. beschissener Akustik) zu kämpfen haben ? Clubsets sind nicht für den Hausgebrauch gemacht ! Und zu behaupten eineige Leute bringen nur Platten raus, um gebucht zu werden...eieieieiei...da höre ich wohl etwas Frust heraus...
Nochmal zum Anfang: Ich denke, dass einen guten DJ hauptsächlich die auswahl der Tracks ausmacht. Sicher, ein Übergang sollte nicht holprig sein, aber letztendlich entscheidet die Stimmung im Club, oder ?

[MARKEG]

and here it is in english c/o my online translator ;)


What probably makes a good DJ according to for your opinion uas? Apparent only the technology, or? Did you already times about the fact that also DJs think, if its set is taken up in the club with technical problems (e.g. beschissener acoustics) to fight to possibly have? Club sets are not made for the domestic purposes! And to state eineige people bring only plates raus, to be over booked... eieieieiei... hear I probably something grind there out... Again to the beginning: I think that mainly the selection of the TRACKS constitutes a good DJ. Surely, a transition should not be holprig, but finally the tendency in the club decides, or?

[MARKEG]

i say there there are brilliant dj's out there who don't produce. but in the end, you HAVE to produce music. well i think so anyway. alan's right, you have to do it and it's like earning your 'stripes' so to speak. i remember sitting down and thinking about 8 years ago that i just had to do it. there was no way that i could get any further in the field i wanted so deeply to be more involved in (the techno dj circuit is much more closed than most scenes imo). even though i was writing techno reviews and articles for all sorts of mags, djing every single week (although i'll admit most of that was at the big raves playing not only just techno), there was nothing at all i could do apart from write the music.

if you a half decent dj and concentrate on production and then get it right, you're in such a fantastic position. you're able to really home in on a sound and also, your production REALLY helps your djing. there's no way that mixing two records together can teach you the importance of eq and volume like production does. i'll put my hand on my heart and say that.

[MARKEG]

brilliant topic. ok:


This is true.. and i believe its a big part of what is killing things.. too many DJs want so desperatly to release music to push thier profile that loads of crap records end up floating around watering down the industry. There are only so many records can be released each month, and the more people are making music the less people are buying it

i thnik what is killing the industry is you can knock up any old tune on a crack of reason. back in the days (jesus - 5 years ago!!!!!) you had to save and work your ass off to buy outboard to make anything half decent. that way, you worked hard on your sound cause you had so much invested in it!!

[Alan Oldham]

Mark speaks the gospel.

[Si the Sigh]

:lol:

[DJMAYA]

good discussion, thank you people!!

[MARKEG]

1 In the sixth year, in the sixth month on the fifth day, while I was sitting in my house and the elders of Judah were sitting before me, the hand of the Sovereign LORD came upon me there.
2 I looked, and I saw a figure like that of a man. From what appeared to be his waist down he was like fire, and from there up his appearance was as bright as glowing metal.
3 He stretched out what looked like a hand and took me by the hair of my head. The Spirit lifted me up between earth and heaven and in visions of God he took me to Jerusalem, to the entrance to the north gate of the inner court, where the idol that provokes to jealousy stood.
4 And there before me was the glory of the God of Israel, as in the vision I had seen in the plain.
5 Then he said to me, "Son of man, look toward the north." So I looked, and in the entrance north of the gate of the altar I saw this idol of jealousy.
6 And he said to me, "Son of man, do you see what they are doing -- the utterly detestable things the house of Israel is doing here, things that will drive me far from my sanctuary? But you will see things that are even more detestable."
7 Then he brought me to the entrance to the court. I looked, and I saw a hole in the wall.
8 He said to me, "Son of man, now dig into the wall." So I dug into the wall and saw a doorway there.
9 And he said to me, "Go in and see the wicked and detestable things they are doing here."
10 So I went in and looked, and I saw portrayed all over the walls all kinds of crawling things and detestable animals and all the idols of the house of Israel.
11 In front of them stood seventy elders of the house of Israel, and Jaazaniah son of Shaphan was standing among them. Each had a censer in his hand, and a fragrant cloud of incense was rising.
12 He said to me, "Son of man, have you seen what the elders of the house of Israel are doing in the darkness, each at the shrine of his own idol? They say, `The LORD does not see us; the LORD has forsaken the land.´"
13 Again, he said, "You will see them doing things that are even more detestable."
14 Then he brought me to the entrance to the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, mourning for Tammuz.
15 He said to me, "Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this."
16 He then brought me into the inner court of the house of the LORD, and there at the entrance to the temple, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men. With their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, they were bowing down to the sun in the east.
17 He said to me, "Have you seen this, son of man? Is it a trivial matter for the house of Judah to do the detestable things they are doing here? Must they also fill the land with violence and continually provoke me to anger? Look at them putting the branch to their nose!
18 Therefore I will deal with them in anger; I will not look on them with pity or spare them. Although they shout in my ears, I will not listen to them."


Ezekiel 9


1 Then I heard him call out in a loud voice, "Bring the guards of the city here, each with a weapon in his hand."
2 And I saw six men coming from the direction of the upper gate, which faces north, each with a deadly weapon in his hand. With them was a man clothed in linen who had a writing kit at his side. They came in and stood beside the bronze altar.
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side
4 and said to him, "Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it."
5 As I listened, he said to the others, "Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion.
6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary." So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.
7 Then he said to them, "Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!" So they went out and began killing throughout the city.
8 While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, "Ah, Sovereign LORD! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?"
9 He answered me, "The sin of the house of Israel and Judah is exceedingly great; the land is full of bloodshed and the city is full of injustice. They say, `The LORD has forsaken the land; the LORD does not see.´
10 So I will not look on them with pity or spare them, but I will bring down on their own heads what they have done."
11 Then the man in linen with the writing kit at his side brought back word, saying, "I have done as you commanded."


Ezekiel 10


1 I looked, and I saw the likeness of a throne of sapphire above the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim.
2 The LORD said to the man clothed in linen, "Go in among the wheels beneath the cherubim. Fill your hands with burning coals from among the cherubim and scatter them over the city." And as I watched, he went in.
3 Now the cherubim were standing on the south side of the temple when the man went in, and a cloud filled the inner court.
4 Then the glory of the LORD rose from above the cherubim and moved to the threshold of the temple. The cloud filled the temple, and the court was full of the radiance of the glory of the LORD.
5 The sound of the wings of the cherubim could be heard as far away as the outer court, like the voice of God Almighty when he speaks.
6 When the LORD commanded the man in linen, "Take fire from among the wheels, from among the cherubim," the man went in and stood beside a wheel.
7 Then one of the cherubim reached out his hand to the fire that was among them. He took up some of it and put it into the hands of the man in linen, who took it and went out.
8 (Under the wings of the cherubim could be seen what looked like the hands of a man.)
9 I looked, and I saw beside the cherubim four wheels, one beside each of the cherubim; the wheels sparkled like chrysolite.
10 As for their appearance, the four of them looked alike; each was like a wheel intersecting a wheel.
11 As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the cherubim faced; the wheels did not turn about as the cherubim went. The cherubim went in whatever direction the head faced, without turning as they went.
12 Their entire bodies, including their backs, their hands and their wings, were completely full of eyes, as were their four wheels.
13 I heard the wheels being called "the whirling wheels."
14 Each of the cherubim had four faces: One face was that of a cherub, the second the face of a man, the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.
15 Then the cherubim rose upward. These were the living creatures I had seen by the Kebar River.
16 When the cherubim moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the cherubim spread their wings to rise from the ground, the wheels did not leave their side.
17 When the cherubim stood still, they also stood still; and when the cherubim rose, they rose with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in them.
18 Then the glory of the LORD departed from over the threshold of the temple and stopped above the cherubim.
19 While I watched, the cherubim spread their wings and rose from the ground, and as they went, the wheels went with them. They stopped at the entrance to the east gate of the LORD's house, and the glory of the God of Israel was above them.
20 These were the living creatures I had seen beneath the God of Israel by the Kebar River, and I realized that they were cherubim.
21 Each had four faces and four wings, and under their wings was what looked like the hands of a man.
22 Their faces had the same appearance as those I had seen by the Kebar River. Each one went straight ahead.


Ezekiel 11


1 Then the Spirit lifted me up and brought me to the gate of the house of the LORD that faces east. There at the entrance to the gate were twenty-five men, and I saw among them Jaazaniah son of Azzur and Pelatiah son of Benaiah, leaders of the people.
2 The LORD said to me, "Son of man, these are the men who are plotting evil and giving wicked advice in this city.
3 They say, `Will it not soon be time to build houses? This city is a cooking pot, and we are the meat.´
4 Therefore prophesy against them; prophesy, son of man."
5 Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon me, and he told me to say: "This is what the LORD says: That is what you are saying, O house of Israel, but I know what is going through your mind.
6 You have killed many people in this city and filled its streets with the dead.
7 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: The bodies you have thrown there are the meat and this city is the pot, but I will drive you out of it.
8 You fear the sword, and the sword is what I will bring against you, declares the Sovereign LORD.
9 I will drive you out of the city and hand you over to foreigners and inflict punishment on you.
10 You will fall by the sword, and I will execute judgment on you at the borders of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
11 This city will not be a pot for you, nor will you be the meat in it; I will execute judgment on you at the borders of Israel.
12 And you will know that I am the LORD, for you have not followed my decrees or kept my laws but have conformed to the standards of the nations around you."
13 Now as I was prophesying, Pelatiah son of Benaiah died. Then I fell facedown and cried out in a loud voice, "Ah, Sovereign LORD! Will you completely destroy the remnant of Israel?"
14 The word of the LORD came to me:
15 "Son of man, your brothers -- your brothers who are your blood relatives and the whole house of Israel -- are those of whom the people of Jerusalem have said, `They are far away from the LORD; this land was given to us as our possession.´
16 "Therefore say: `This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Although I sent them far away among the nations and scattered them among the countries, yet for a little while I have been a sanctuary for them in the countries where they have gone.´
17 "Therefore say: `This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will gather you from the nations and bring you back from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you back the land of Israel again.´
18 "They will return to it and remove all its vile images and detestable idols.
19 I will give them an undivided heart and put a new spirit in them; I will remove from them their heart of stone and give them a heart of flesh.
20 Then they will follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
21 But as for those whose hearts are devoted to their vile images and detestable idols, I will bring down on their own heads what they have done, declares the Sovereign LORD."
22 Then the cherubim, with the wheels beside them, spread their wings, and the glory of the God of Israel was above them.
23 The glory of the LORD went up from within the city and stopped above the mountain east of it.
24 The Spirit lifted me up and brought me to the exiles in Babylonia in the vision given by the Spirit of God. Then the vision I had seen went up from me,
25 and I told the exiles everything the LORD had shown me.


Egfekinzactly :lol:

[MARKEG]

right come on back on topic ;)

[TripleX]

Hast Du schon mal darüber nachgedacht, dass auch DJs eventuell, wenn ihr set im club aufgenommen wird, mit technischen Problemen (z. B. beschissener Akustik) zu kämpfen haben ? Clubsets sind nicht für den Hausgebrauch gemacht !

ok, daß mit der akkustik hab ich wohl nicht bedacht.
auflegen is mein hobby, nicht mehr, warum sollte ich also frustariert sein?
außerdem hab ich dich nicht gemeint, is ja egal wen,
soundfactory war immer cool;)

[MARKEG]

do i really have to get the translator out again????

can we speak english??? PLEEEAAAASEEEE :doh:

[TripleX]

:oops:

[TripleX]

have you ever thought about acoustic problems in a club? clubsets aren´t made for home use!

ok, i haven´t thought about that,
dj´ing is just a hobby to me, nothing more, so why should i be frustrated?
i wasn´t talking about you, soundfactory was always good;)

[Komplex]

i think what is killing the industry is you can knock up any old tune on a crack of reason. back in the days (jesus - 5 years ago!!!!!) you had to save and work your ass off to buy outboard to make anything half decent. that way, you worked hard on your sound cause you had so much invested in it!!

Yeah I agree with this. However it goes two ways...

Just because people work hard or have spent years saving up for the gear doesn't mean they automatically have creative musical ability. Luckily for most, techno is pretty easy to do. ;)

What is killing the industry isn't being able to knock up any old tune in whatever gear or software, thats just the tool. What IS killing the industry is dj's trying to be musicians/producers and ****ing it all up by releasing tons of trash and flooding the market just cus they want to make it big.

Whats killing the industry is also the fact that it IS an "industry".

Let the dj's do the dj'ing and the creative minds do the music. Just because someone can beatmatch doesn't give them the golden key to be a shit hot musician/producer.

Ego check please.

[Musashi]

Hast Du schon mal darüber nachgedacht, dass auch DJs eventuell, wenn ihr set im club aufgenommen wird, mit technischen Problemen (z. B. beschissener Akustik) zu kämpfen haben ? Clubsets sind nicht für den Hausgebrauch gemacht !

ok, daß mit der akkustik hab ich wohl nicht bedacht.
auflegen is mein hobby, nicht mehr, warum sollte ich also frustariert sein?
außerdem hab ich dich nicht gemeint, is ja egal wen,
soundfactory war immer cool;) ;)

;)

[DJMAYA]

geez Mark,

i didnt know you had it in you :clap: