More Mixer Advice Needed!!!!!

[Hakka]

Ok, I'm wanting to spend around £600 on a mixer. So far I'm most likely to get the DJM600 (Pioneer) as I've used it, I like the effects, smooth and good sounding mixer.

However, I don't want to discount other mixers. These are the others I'm looking at and I want to know any first hand experience you've had with them. How they felt, how easy it was to use the mixer to set up your cueing in the head phones et..., sound quality etc...

Denon DNX1500

Allen & Heath X:ONE62

Vestax PMC37Pro

Anyone used these and can tell me what they think is best. I want the clearest sound for the smoothest mixes, which would suit me best?

[Andy__C]

never used the Denon........but i've heard loadsa good things about it.....

DJM beating fx quality, but with studio quality sound, upgradable software support via usb, penny and giles faders........, xfader's meant to be pretty tight if u wanna get ur whiccy whiccy wha's on the go too........... I really really want one........

[cascade]

now normally i wouldnt lead anyone to buy a denon as you can get soo much more for you money but here me now poeple!!!!!!!

lol
i use one in the bar where i work and they must have had it about 2 years and it has had some serious abuse from smoke drink phsyically battered but it still works fine, even after beening dowsded with lager tye faders are cool as ice.

id keep that one in mind hakka cause i now believe denons can not be killed. :twisted:

obviously the DJM-600 is without a doubt the best choice for any trance/techno dj. all clubs use them, all djs swear buy them, plus pioneer equipment is near invincible,
all great features and versatile too but when i last used one the faders wernt up too much, smooth but not upto a good hammering from scratch djs like myself.

this leads you onto the vestax.
faders are special, very special, the 37 is probably the best scratch mixer available at the moment. loads of features and great fel of quality as with all vestax prodcts.
id go for the vestax but thats what id go for.
id reckomend any of these mixers but pioneer is probably best for yourself unless your a heavy turntablist.
youve also been looking at the 909?
id go for that over any of these unless you have more then 2 decks, cd decks etc....


:cool:

[Yoshimitsu]

well tbh m8, if ur consduiderin the xone 62, consider nofurthrm i is nothin sdhort of quality, i piddessedm so sorryt boss but its the truth

[dan the acid man]

it would be the djm600 for me

[serox]

pioneer feels like a kids toy. with the FX unit built in, it is a kids toy.


the A+H is 10x better i think. feels so much better/stronger

[Yoshimitsu]

well tbh m8, if ur consduiderin the xone 62, consider nofurthrm i is nothin sdhort of quality, i piddessedm so sorryt boss but its the truth

wtf :oops:

[cascade]

well tbh m8, if ur consduiderin the xone 62, consider nofurthrm i is nothin sdhort of quality, i piddessedm so sorryt boss but its the truth

wtf :oops:
LMMAO
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
ace being a drunk stundent aint it yosh
:clap: :clap:

[DJ SPUDIE]

Allen and health...Quality :clap:

[Yoshimitsu]

Allen and health...Quality :clap:

innit! best mixer ive ever used, period

[Barely Human]

Ok, these are my opinions on the subject of mixers..

If you are only ever going to be using 2 channels at once, get a battle mixer. You get a hell of a lot more build quality from them...

Take the pioneer 600 for instance...
http://www.karaokemaniac.com/pioneerprodj/images/djm600a.jpg
Loads of channels - (never get used)
Shite build quality
Crappy fx
Shite EQ
Can be quite fiddly to work with
Last about 6 months before things start going wrong (Fader crackles etc...)

Im not sure on the cost of one of these now, but im sure its around the 500 mark..

Now take a decent battle mixer of the same price, the Ecler Hak 360..
http://www.ecler.es/download/img_zenit_hak360.jpg
2 channels (no wastage)
Best build quality ive ever seen
Quality faders which will last 5 years + when hammerd with crabs every day
Neat, uncluterd design with everything in the right place...
One of the best EQ's ive used
Fx send, for some decent fx unit
If your a turntablist, it will last years...If you just mix on it, probably a lifetime..

Ive had the ecler hak 320, the old version of the 360, for nearly 2 years now, and i have hammerd the shit out of it crabbing, transfoming, beat juggling, dropped it a few times, etc.. And its still perfect, and all with original faders.. Ok, its desgned for the turntablist, but it mixes a hell of a lot smoother than most of the so called "mixing" mixers that i have used in the past. Every event i have run, i have always had 1 of these in each room becuase i know it is a quality mixer, and i can rely on them...

End of the day tho, its up to you mate, but i would seriusly see if you can have a go on an ecler hak 360.. You never know, it might turn you into a turntablist...

[DJCraig Ryan]

Ok, these are my opinions on the subject of mixers..

If you are only ever going to be using 2 channels at once, get a battle mixer. You get a hell of a lot more build quality from them...

Take the pioneer 600 for instance...
http://www.karaokemaniac.com/pioneerprodj/images/djm600a.jpg
Loads of channels - (never get used)
Shite build quality
Crappy fx
Shite EQ
Can be quite fiddly to work with
Last about 6 months before things start going wrong (Fader crackles etc...)

Im not sure on the cost of one of these now, but im sure its around the 500 mark..

Now take a decent battle mixer of the same price, the Ecler Hak 360..
http://www.ecler.es/download/img_zenit_hak360.jpg
2 channels (no wastage)
Best build quality ive ever seen
Quality faders which will last 5 years + when hammerd with crabs every day
Neat, uncluterd design with everything in the right place...
One of the best EQ's ive used
Fx send, for some decent fx unit
If your a turntablist, it will last years...If you just mix on it, probably a lifetime..

Ive had the ecler hak 320, the old version of the 360, for nearly 2 years now, and i have hammerd the shit out of it crabbing, transfoming, beat juggling, dropped it a few times, etc.. And its still perfect, and all with original faders.. Ok, its desgned for the turntablist, but it mixes a hell of a lot smoother than most of the so called "mixing" mixers that i have used in the past. Every event i have run, i have always had 1 of these in each room becuase i know it is a quality mixer, and i can rely on them...

End of the day tho, its up to you mate, but i would seriusly see if you can have a go on an ecler hak 360.. You never know, it might turn you into a turntablist...


I see what your saying IQ about the extra channels and stuff (If your not going to use don't buy & basically concentrate on what you need in your mixer) But the EQ's and Effects on the DJM are spot on mate. They are of high quality. I'll be honest and say the faders are not the best but other than that it is a spot on mixer. I've had no problems with mine over the year and half i have had it.

[Barely Human]

Ok, these are my opinions on the subject of mixers..

If you are only ever going to be using 2 channels at once, get a battle mixer. You get a hell of a lot more build quality from them...

Take the pioneer 600 for instance...
http://www.karaokemaniac.com/pioneerprodj/images/djm600a.jpg
Loads of channels - (never get used)
Shite build quality
Crappy fx
Shite EQ
Can be quite fiddly to work with
Last about 6 months before things start going wrong (Fader crackles etc...)

Im not sure on the cost of one of these now, but im sure its around the 500 mark..

Now take a decent battle mixer of the same price, the Ecler Hak 360..
http://www.ecler.es/download/img_zenit_hak360.jpg
2 channels (no wastage)
Best build quality ive ever seen
Quality faders which will last 5 years + when hammerd with crabs every day
Neat, uncluterd design with everything in the right place...
One of the best EQ's ive used
Fx send, for some decent fx unit
If your a turntablist, it will last years...If you just mix on it, probably a lifetime..

Ive had the ecler hak 320, the old version of the 360, for nearly 2 years now, and i have hammerd the shit out of it crabbing, transfoming, beat juggling, dropped it a few times, etc.. And its still perfect, and all with original faders.. Ok, its desgned for the turntablist, but it mixes a hell of a lot smoother than most of the so called "mixing" mixers that i have used in the past. Every event i have run, i have always had 1 of these in each room becuase i know it is a quality mixer, and i can rely on them...

End of the day tho, its up to you mate, but i would seriusly see if you can have a go on an ecler hak 360.. You never know, it might turn you into a turntablist...


I see what your saying IQ about the extra channels and stuff (If your not going to use don't buy & basically concentrate on what you need in your mixer) But the EQ's and Effects on the DJM are spot on mate. They are of high quality. I'll be honest and say the faders are not the best but other than that it is a spot on mixer. I've had no problems with mine over the year and half i have had it.

Im just going thru personal experiance... I dont like the curve on the faders, the kinda just cut out really sharly at the bottm, and i find the Eq flat. A few of my mates have thses mixers. One oof them has had 3 new x faders, 2 new upfaders, and had to send it back to have a majoy problem with the psu sorted in just over a year and a half. Another person i know has had 2 new x faders in the time he has had it. And some of the channels are starting to crackle..

[DJCraig Ryan]

Ok, these are my opinions on the subject of mixers..

If you are only ever going to be using 2 channels at once, get a battle mixer. You get a hell of a lot more build quality from them...

Take the pioneer 600 for instance...
http://www.karaokemaniac.com/pioneerprodj/images/djm600a.jpg
Loads of channels - (never get used)
Shite build quality
Crappy fx
Shite EQ
Can be quite fiddly to work with
Last about 6 months before things start going wrong (Fader crackles etc...)

Im not sure on the cost of one of these now, but im sure its around the 500 mark..

Now take a decent battle mixer of the same price, the Ecler Hak 360..
http://www.ecler.es/download/img_zenit_hak360.jpg
2 channels (no wastage)
Best build quality ive ever seen
Quality faders which will last 5 years + when hammerd with crabs every day
Neat, uncluterd design with everything in the right place...
One of the best EQ's ive used
Fx send, for some decent fx unit
If your a turntablist, it will last years...If you just mix on it, probably a lifetime..

Ive had the ecler hak 320, the old version of the 360, for nearly 2 years now, and i have hammerd the shit out of it crabbing, transfoming, beat juggling, dropped it a few times, etc.. And its still perfect, and all with original faders.. Ok, its desgned for the turntablist, but it mixes a hell of a lot smoother than most of the so called "mixing" mixers that i have used in the past. Every event i have run, i have always had 1 of these in each room becuase i know it is a quality mixer, and i can rely on them...

End of the day tho, its up to you mate, but i would seriusly see if you can have a go on an ecler hak 360.. You never know, it might turn you into a turntablist...


I see what your saying IQ about the extra channels and stuff (If your not going to use don't buy & basically concentrate on what you need in your mixer) But the EQ's and Effects on the DJM are spot on mate. They are of high quality. I'll be honest and say the faders are not the best but other than that it is a spot on mixer. I've had no problems with mine over the year and half i have had it.

Im just going thru personal experiance... I dont like the curve on the faders, the kinda just cut out really sharly at the bottm, and i find the Eq flat. A few of my mates have thses mixers. One oof them has had 3 new x faders, 2 new upfaders, and had to send it back to have a majoy problem with the psu sorted in just over a year and a half. Another person i know has had 2 new x faders in the time he has had it. And some of the channels are starting to crackle..

Fair quote mate. As it happens i have been thinking about getting rid of mine anyway, fancy a change.
How much is that Battle mixer you showed, i believe it's quite an exspensive Mixer??

[Barely Human]

Erm, i think you can pick them up for about 500 nowerdays, maybe cheaper. Thing is with battle mixers, the build quality is naturally a lot better then standard mixers becuase of the abuse they get. That one is rated as the best on the market, along side the rane ttx range. But you needent have to go for the best to get the benefits of a decent scratch mixer. I have the ecler because im a turntablist, but ive also had a stanton sk2F which was an absolute blinding mixer. The 2 flagship stantons are both around the 300 mark, and i have used this 3 channel one - http://www.decks.co.uk/products/mixers/stanton/smx501 which was extremely good, and this one is the replacement for the sk2F, which i have yet to use - http://www.decks.co.uk/products/mixers/stanton/sa8

Dont just go off my advice tho mate. Try them out, and see what you think. They arnt everybodys cup of tea, but i swear by them. Get yourself down to a decent store and try as many different scratch mixers as posible. Stay away from vestax if you can. The ecler and rane mixers are hard to come by tho becuase they are very specialised mixers...

[DJCraig Ryan]

Erm, i think you can pick them up for about 500 nowerdays, maybe cheaper. Thing is with battle mixers, the build quality is naturally a lot better then standard mixers becuase of the abuse they get. That one is rated as the best on the market, along side the rane ttx range. But you needent have to go for the best to get the benefits of a decent scratch mixer. I have the ecler because im a turntablist, but ive also had a stanton sk2F which was an absolute blinding mixer. The 2 flagship stantons are both around the 300 mark, and i have used this 3 channel one - http://www.decks.co.uk/products/mixers/stanton/smx501 which was extremely good, and this one is the replacement for the sk2F, which i have yet to use - http://www.decks.co.uk/products/mixers/stanton/sa8

Dont just go off my advice tho mate. Try them out, and see what you think. They arnt everybodys cup of tea, but i swear by them. Get yourself down to a decent store and try as many different scratch mixers as posible. Stay away from vestax if you can. The ecler and rane mixers are hard to come by tho becuase they are very specialised mixers...

Cheers mate, i'll bear this in mind.
I have been leaning over towards the Allen & Heath mixers, the Xone 32 & Xone 62. Have you had any experience with those bud?
On the Xone32 are the transmute buttons those "punch in" buttons, if so are they any good? Is there any other models which have the transmute apart from the 32?

[Andy__C]

going on scratch mixers..... but with some 'mix' mixer chucked in...... i'd love to have one of these bad boys:

http://www.djstore.co.uk/images/products/large/ran/ranempath.jpg

or

http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ranempath

an iccle bit more money, but it sounds the daddy........


know what ya mean about battle mixers though....... my old sk2f's taken a hammering, and still a pretty decent mixer, especially for the price, not that slick upfaders curve wise..... but that cross fader had a hammering...... the mixer got beat up taken everywhere........ and is still tip-top.... and i do hate hte way a DJM looks so cluttered, especially when it's dark as feck.......


if it was me....... i'd either get the mixer above...... or be the first person I know to get that Denon........ it looks soooooooooo sweet

[Barely Human]

going on scratch mixers..... but with some 'mix' mixer chucked in...... i'd love to have one of these bad boys:

http://www.djstore.co.uk/images/products/large/ran/ranempath.jpg

or

http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ranempath

an iccle bit more money, but it sounds the daddy........


know what ya mean about battle mixers though....... my old sk2f's taken a hammering, and still a pretty decent mixer, especially for the price, not that slick upfaders curve wise..... but that cross fader had a hammering...... the mixer got beat up taken everywhere........ and is still tip-top.... and i do hate hte way a DJM looks so cluttered, especially when it's dark as feck.......


if it was me....... i'd either get the mixer above...... or be the first person I know to get that Denon........ it looks soooooooooo sweet

yeah man, the rane mixers are really nice... I might be investing in one for my next mixer. Which hopefully should be one of these badboys...

http://djservice.com/data/grafix/Produkte/RANE/TTM56/TTM56_grey_4.jpg

The faders in this thing are unreal.. I dont think id ever have to change the x-fader. This is from the rane website


Magnetic Fader Testing
The engineers at Rane employed a sewing machine to test the durability of the magnetic fader. Each stroke generated one count. We have it set to apply a million strokes to the fader every day. We tested 13 million strokes before we got tired of hearing the darn thing, and the fader shows absolutely no wear or degradation.
http://www.rane.com/xfader.gif

And check this video - http://www.rane.com/ttm56video/colatest.wmv

[cascade]

:shock: @ that video
omg thats amazin
lol
ive always been into rane and eckler.
2 dark horses in themixer world making quality.
i might be bying a new mixer in a few weeks.

might get a pmc-37 cause they were abasolutly awsome when i tred one last year. fits what i need from a mixer too.
never been too keen on djm-600, could never hold it when scratching, the chances of performing some serious turntablism on it are slim.
not bad at all for non turntablist trance djs though, think any effects unit can become cliche after a while, everyone knows what they sound like.
:neutral:
dont think any bedroom dj needs a 4 channel mixer unless they have 4 inputs, pretty simple equation.

Iq is there any decent scratch mixers with 4 channels?

(abit of a contradiction there aint it, idea of a mixer is to make more space on the scratch board, problem is i have 4 inputs, 2 vestax, 2 cdj800) :eh: :neutral:

[Barely Human]

Iq is there any decent scratch mixers with 4 channels?


Not that i have seen mate. the most you will get is 3 channel really. Although most battle mixers come with a "Session mix" input, meaning you can link as many mixers up as you want. So you could by 2 mixers, 4 channels, and 2 x-faders.. which actually makes a very nice set up to mix with. The downside of this is that you would have to use 2 sets of headphones unless you linked the 2 headphone outputs together....

[DJCraig Ryan]

:shock: @ that video
omg thats amazin
lol
ive always been into rane and eckler.
2 dark horses in themixer world making quality.
i might be bying a new mixer in a few weeks.

might get a pmc-37 cause they were abasolutly awsome when i tred one last year. fits what i need from a mixer too.
never been too keen on djm-600, could never hold it when scratching, the chances of performing some serious turntablism on it are slim.
not bad at all for non turntablist trance djs though, think any effects unit can become cliche after a while, everyone knows what they sound like.
:neutral:
dont think any bedroom dj needs a 4 channel mixer unless they have 4 inputs, pretty simple equation.

Iq is there any decent scratch mixers with 4 channels?

(abit of a contradiction there aint it, idea of a mixer is to make more space on the scratch board, problem is i have 4 inputs, 2 vestax, 2 cdj800) :eh: :neutral:


Chances are not slim for turntablism at all.
Saw some amazing turntablism on Saturday with a DJM 600, defintley opened my eyes with the capabilities of this mixer.

"dont think any bedroom dj needs a 4 channel mixer unless they have 4 inputs, pretty simple equation."

What if he upgrades his setup?

[Barely Human]

Chances are not slim for turntablism at all.
Saw some amazing turntablism on Saturday with a DJM 600, defintley opened my eyes with the capabilities of this mixer.

Maybe so... But you wouldnt ever find Q-Bert or Craze, Clever or any other dj using a djm 600. Why?? Becuase they are not designed for it. Sure, a talented turntablist can use them for turntablism, but it doesnt make life easy to do it. Plus, the faders would wear out in a very short space of time.


"dont think any bedroom dj needs a 4 channel mixer unless they have 4 inputs, pretty simple equation."

What if he upgrades his setup?

The whole point of this scratch mixer arguement started by asking "If you are only ever going to use 2 channels". If you have plans to upgrade to 4 channels, then fair enough, get a 4 channel mixer. But i dont know anyone who ever uses 4 channels reguarly for it to be a warrented reason to by a mixer. Yes, 3 channels, i know a lot of people who do 3 deck mixing, and you can still get 3 channel scratch mixers. At the end of the day, its all down to personal preferance, and for me, i need something more than 300 channels that im not going to use, and a dodgy over used fx box built in. I like to have a quality built mixer, that lasts. You can say to me that "The djm 600 is a quality well built mixer", but put it next to an ecler hak or a rane, and it will feel like a fisher price toy...

[DJCraig Ryan]

Chances are not slim for turntablism at all.
Saw some amazing turntablism on Saturday with a DJM 600, defintley opened my eyes with the capabilities of this mixer.

Maybe so... But you wouldnt ever find Q-Bert or Craze, Clever or any other dj using a djm 600. Why?? Becuase they are not designed for it. Sure, a talented turntablist can use them for turntablism, but it doesnt make life easy to do it. Plus, the faders would wear out in a very short space of time.


"dont think any bedroom dj needs a 4 channel mixer unless they have 4 inputs, pretty simple equation."

What if he upgrades his setup?

The whole point of this scratch mixer arguement started by asking "If you are only ever going to use 2 channels". If you have plans to upgrade to 4 channels, then fair enough, get a 4 channel mixer. But i dont know anyone who ever uses 4 channels reguarly for it to be a warrented reason to by a mixer. Yes, 3 channels, i know a lot of people who do 3 deck mixing, and you can still get 3 channel scratch mixers. At the end of the day, its all down to personal preferance, and for me, i need something more than 300 channels that im not going to use, and a dodgy over used fx box built in. I like to have a quality built mixer, that lasts. You can say to me that "The djm 600 is a quality well built mixer", but put it next to an ecler hak or a rane, and it will feel like a fisher price toy...


Yeah dude, regardless of the whole argument, i was responding to 2 different points made.

[cascade]

"dont think any bedroom dj needs a 4 channel mixer unless they have 4 inputs, pretty simple equation."

What if he upgrades his setup?

lmao
well obviously its a good idea to have a 3plus channel mixe if your gonna use more then 3 inputs

and like IQ said, real scratch and turntablist would be limited on a djm-600, there not designed for that kinda mixing, period.
the EQ on a djm-600 is really good though, the effects dont really interreste me, abit limited and over used by pratically everyone who has one.
Rane are sick mixers, would deffinatly consider one

question for ya IQ,(or anyone for that matter)

would you prefere a rane or eckler over a vestax?
the scratch range of there mixers obviously

like a empath over a pmc-37?>
or a tt-56 over a pmc-07?
or any of the ecklers?
i was always under the impression that vestax were king leaders in scratch mixer market.
:?: :neutral:

[Barely Human]

question for ya IQ,(or anyone for that matter)

would you prefere a rane or eckler over a vestax?
the scratch range of there mixers obviously

like a empath over a pmc-37?>
or a tt-56 over a pmc-07?
or any of the ecklers?
i was always under the impression that vestax were king leaders in scratch mixer market.
:?: :neutral:

Deffinately the Rane, all the way. If you look it up, all turntablists who arnt sponsored by a company will tell you that it is the best mixer on the market, and if you havent got the cash, go for the ecler. Vestax arnt bad mixers by any means, but they had the money and a name in the market to give sponsorship to the likes of Q-Bert and such a lot of people think that they are the best. When they brought out the original Pmc O7, it was the best mixer on the market, but they have been far supased now...

[Barely Human]

Ive only just found out that ecler do an alternative to the pioneer djm -

http://djservice.com/data/grafix/Produkte/Ecler/nuo5/nuo5_vertical_4.jpg

http://www.djforums.com/reviews/mixers/ecler_nuo5.php?

[Hakka]

Thanks for the insight in to Scratch mixers... anymore thoughts on the mixers I was originally looking towards? :)

I do find all the info on the Rane, Ecler etc... interesting but I'm looking for a mixer that offers superb sound quality for hard trance mixing. I'm probably going to go for the Xone62.

Thanks to everyone for the advice and thoughts.

[yorkie]

:shock: @ that video
omg thats amazin
lol
ive always been into rane and eckler.
2 dark horses in themixer world making quality.
i might be bying a new mixer in a few weeks.

might get a pmc-37 cause they were abasolutly awsome when i tred one last year. fits what i need from a mixer too.
never been too keen on djm-600, could never hold it when scratching, the chances of performing some serious turntablism on it are slim.
not bad at all for non turntablist trance djs though, think any effects unit can become cliche after a while, everyone knows what they sound like.
:neutral:
dont think any bedroom dj needs a 4 channel mixer unless they have 4 inputs, pretty simple equation.

Iq is there any decent scratch mixers with 4 channels?

(abit of a contradiction there aint it, idea of a mixer is to make more space on the scratch board, problem is i have 4 inputs, 2 vestax, 2 cdj800) :eh: :neutral:


i too am seriously considering the vestax pmc 37 pro.


it looks awesome