Seawolf

[serox]

ok, trying to find some info on a record i have. I thought it was orig but now i am not sure. On Discogs this is the closest one to it

http://www.discogs.com/release/284886

my record is only one sided with Seaeolf on it, on the B side it is blank but has loads of writting scratched into it. (i can try to type some of it out if needed!) Mine has the same Seawolf label on A-side also.

Anyone have any info on this? orig or a repress?

Thanks

[tioneb]

World Power Aliance - Seawolf

One great classic acid tune !! WPA is a subdivision of UR, and if im right this one has been produced by Jeff Mills & Mike Banks

[MARKEG]

that sound incredibly like underground resistance's 'seawolf'. that was one sided. i think it was part of a three part set - i specifically remember 'death of the kamakazze' too.

what a choooooon 'seawolf' was though. if it is that one, there's a fog horn-type sound through it.

[tioneb]

it just seems the discogs.com page u pasted refers to a repress from 2004.

the one with the scratched b side is the original (see the link on the page u gave)and issued on WPA (and not UR)

[serox]

thats it :)

this record always gets a good response at a party in london :)

i love this old acid techno way more than new london acid techno! Why dont people make more music like this any more? why is it all sounding the same so much right now???



Thanks

[serox]

it just seems the discogs.com page u pasted refers to a repress from 2004.

the one with the scratched b side is the original (see the link on the page u gave)and issued on WPA (and not UR)

yeh this is the one

http://www.discogs.com/release/12484

UR has these alias's (Aliases: Martian, The, Members Of The House, World Power Alliance, X-101, X-102 )

I guess these were used when certain UR members worked together? So you could be right with JM and MM.

whats going on with the bit near the end tho? use to catch me out all the time, i thought this was one track on the A-side? near the end tho it changes tottally?? you can keep the record in time but near the last last min or 2 it will wreck? is my copy fvcked?

[MARKEG]

no i seem to remember the track stop starting near the end. or was this kamakazee. now i'm confused.

you really need to check out the acid rain series if you like this type of thing. i swear these releases will blow you away.

[serox]

no i seem to remember the track stop starting near the end. or was this kamakazee. now i'm confused.

you really need to check out the acid rain series if you like this type of thing. i swear these releases will blow you away.

yeh i got them too :) i love that series too. even tho this is a slow bpm record it some how does not sound slow. same as b4, the acid rain series stands out more than stuff i hear made now days.


my seawolf has a quiet point near the end, then it comes back in but it is not in time with the rest of the record. i have tried mixing it on a different bar but i still get the same problem when it goes quiet then comes back in

[crime]

thats it :)

this record always gets a good response at a party in london :)

i love this old acid techno way more than new london acid techno! Why dont people make more music like this any more? why is it all sounding the same so much right now???



Thanks

Records like this were the reason I never really got into SUF stuff..
if you want more stuff like this, best bet is the vinyl exchange in camden/notting hill, here's some pointers of stuff to look out for in a simelar vein:

http://www.discogs.com/release/44914
http://www.discogs.com/release/2450
http://www.discogs.com/release/19307
http://www.discogs.com/label/JJ+Records
http://www.discogs.com/release/16641
http://www.discogs.com/release/26703
http://www.discogs.com/release/8590
http://www.discogs.com/release/32669 "Roarrh" is the track on here...
http://www.discogs.com/release/15177 the original hard acid record

I spent the mid ninties seaching high and low for this kind of stuff, a lot of it is probably nigh on impossible to find, but you could always check em out on Kazaar or something and see which ones you like. This is the kind of acid I love, by the time Stay Up Forever was kicking off I was discovering Surgeon, Armani, Vogel and Landstrumm. No disrespect to the Suf boys though, I know they were bang into a lot of these trax too, more just a personal taste thing, I love acid that's raw and unadulterated i.e. 1 or 2 303s and 909/808 drums, that's it..

Better stop putting off my "discussion" with Hackney council about this damn parking ticket, you would never believe it, they ticketed me on a private driveway the bastards...

[Sunil]

my seawolf has a quiet point near the end, then it comes back in but it is not in time with the rest of the record. i have tried mixing it on a different bar but i still get the same problem when it goes quiet then comes back in

That's Seawolf, and yeah they obviously weren't thinking of DJs when they made that bit :clap:

[MARKEG]

i know what you mean there crime. when suf first came in i just couldn't feel it - at all. after growing up on the ur acid stuff, djax, lab works, dropbass, jj etc etc there just was really no comparison. slowly i've got used to it (especially after being good friends with chris) but i do miss that whole hard 303 sound. i'd never part with any of my records from that genre.

[tioneb]

at least i find some techno oldschoolers here ... i just think your opinons about acid are the same i have about techno.

though i enjoy and respect a lot of recent producers, really few of them invented something.

just look how mills (or hawtin...) can rip all of us simply with a 909 played live... that just shows how its ridiculous to say "oh this guy on 4 decks is amazingly skilled" ...

[crime]

I love the etched messages on F.U.S.E. "Substance abuse"


Often imitated, never equalled!!!

I wonder if they realised how apt that comment was, seeing as this record was made in 1991.. Technically speaking old skool on this forum, but totally timeless...

[crime]

at least i find some techno oldschoolers here ... i just think your opinons about acid are the same i have about techno.

though i enjoy and respect a lot of recent producers, really few of them invented something.

just look how mills (or hawtin...) can rip all of us simply with a 909 played live... that just shows how its ridiculous to say "oh this guy on 4 decks is amazingly skilled" ...

I think the people really doing good inventive techno are often the lesser known new acts (Rather than the established names), who havn't just pumped one record out after another to a set formulae, producers like Birkin, Sebastian Prelar, Edit, Quick and Smart and DJ Mahatma.

Myself, I feel my own releases had a certain energy for the first few (Esp. Djax 337) which I don't have so much now, which I think was caused by basically 4 years frustration of not having a studio to use, and the total release when I finally started seriously doing stuff, and I find this with a lot of artist, the first few releases might not have the high production values, but for raw energy, ideas and a certain almost naive feeling (in a good way) which makes it slamming. maybe it's because you havn't been tarnished by being in a studio every day for 3 or so years, and are still really enthusiastic and excited about the possibilities of where it could take you..

[Sunil]

just look how mills (or hawtin...) can rip all of us simply with a 909 played live... that just shows how its ridiculous to say "oh this guy on 4 decks is amazingly skilled" ...

Hmmm i dunno, if someone can play well on 4 decks they do have a certain level of skill, although the emphasis on how many things you can use at once can get a bit ridiculous alright. Anyway that's not the subject here so lets leave that!

[serox]

thats it :)

this record always gets a good response at a party in london :)

i love this old acid techno way more than new london acid techno! Why dont people make more music like this any more? why is it all sounding the same so much right now???



Thanks

Records like this were the reason I never really got into SUF stuff..
if you want more stuff like this, best bet is the vinyl exchange in camden/notting hill, here's some pointers of stuff to look out for in a simelar vein:

http://www.discogs.com/release/44914
http://www.discogs.com/release/2450
http://www.discogs.com/release/19307
http://www.discogs.com/label/JJ+Records
http://www.discogs.com/release/16641
http://www.discogs.com/release/26703
http://www.discogs.com/release/8590
http://www.discogs.com/release/32669 "Roarrh" is the track on here...
http://www.discogs.com/release/15177 the original hard acid record

I spent the mid ninties seaching high and low for this kind of stuff, a lot of it is probably nigh on impossible to find, but you could always check em out on Kazaar or something and see which ones you like. This is the kind of acid I love, by the time Stay Up Forever was kicking off I was discovering Surgeon, Armani, Vogel and Landstrumm. No disrespect to the Suf boys though, I know they were bang into a lot of these trax too, more just a personal taste thing, I love acid that's raw and unadulterated i.e. 1 or 2 303s and 909/808 drums, that's it..

Better stop putting off my "discussion" with Hackney council about this damn parking ticket, you would never believe it, they ticketed me on a private driveway the bastards...

check ur pm;)

i was really enjoying the london acid sound for about a year i guess. Now i am really bored of it, heard it played so much at squat partys. The same driving sound that just does not change. also as it is so damn boring to mix, they stay in time so easy its like mixing trance and hard house.

trying to get all the old stuff that i missed the 1st time around:) is fun playing these old records at partys. They really stand out!

Are hese people who are just producing record after record at the moment really happy with what they have made? Do they really put in a lot of time to make the record how they want it? sounds to me like many are just using the same structure with just diff sounds/noises.

I am playing around with making music but really trying to make some thing sound new and different.

[serox]

just look how mills (or hawtin...) can rip all of us simply with a 909 played live... that just shows how its ridiculous to say "oh this guy on 4 decks is amazingly skilled" ...

Hmmm i dunno, if someone can play well on 4 decks they do have a certain level of skill, although the emphasis on how many things you can use at once can get a bit ridiculous alright. Anyway that's not the subject here so lets leave that!

to play 4 decks correctly you would need to mark all your records on the correct bar. You would not have enough time to program and cue it all.
Each record only has one correct bar to mix the next onto

[crime]

Are hese people who are just producing record after record at the moment really happy with what they have made? Do they really put in a lot of time to make the record how they want it? sounds to me like many are just using the same structure with just diff sounds/noises.

I think the people making a lot of stuff have generally hit on something that works for them, have found it shifts records (Which is really hard in this day and age) as people see them as dependable DJ tools, and are really into the sound that they're doing which is fair enough. I also think despite a lot of stuff possibly sounding a bit similer coming from the london crew, the stuff A D is putting out on subvert, and some of the more recent stuff I've heard Julian doing is getting more diverse, which can only be a good thing... Digressing

Bottom line. Old skool acid techno (I.E. Drop Bass, Djax, Mike Ink, Communique) Rocks, Period. It's what got me hooked 11 years ago..