Major issues in techno.

[MARKEG]

What does everyone think are the biggest issues at the moment in techno? I know it quite a general question but it'd be nice to see what people think.

List yours here:

[MARKEG]

A few of Mine:

Radio 1 ie Fergie playing techno.
Makaton making the best double pack I've heard for ages.

God I could go on and on...

[wenna]

distribution: some records are so hard to get hold of. and if you pick up on them late then 99% of the time you have 0 chance of pickin them up!

[kss]

The biggest thing in Techno is.......... KSS :wink: ....... well it will be when our plan for would be world domination has been hatched.

[Dustin Zahn]

Too many DJs complaining about the music, but not picking up equipment to do something about it.

[Adverse]

distribution: some records are so hard to get hold of. and if you pick up on them late then 99% of the time you have 0 chance of pickin them up!

****ing right.

[Esox Lucius]

the likes of fergie & judge jules playing techno.

[miromiric.]

houseination of techno.
:idea:

[Patrick]

houseination of techno.
:idea:

???? Explain please. ????

[miromiric.]

techno sounding more like fast minimalistic house then techno.

[Esox Lucius]

what do you mean by housenation, cheesey housey stuff like umek and all that crap, or are you talking about good house/techno crossover tracks, say for example ricardo villalobos and maybe some of stewart walker`s tracks?

[Patrick]

techno sounding more like fast minimalistic house then techno.

Ahh, right. Gotcha. There is a real blurring between genres at the moment. I really don't know where techno begins and ends, or where house begins and ends these days. I don't know if that's an issue for me though......I'm not that much of a purist anymore.

[miromiric.]

i was thinkin of umek.
well actually T itself doesnt have any issues at all. its just us who r bothered with some things.




and yes one other big issue for me - to less fully body stripers on techno parties. ouch! :twisted:

[kss]

I would have to agree that there are to many subgenres to catagorise techno into...... some of these subgenres are even geographical in the country!

We have a number of dj's playing on our system and I would have to say I'd have a lot of trouble trying to identify different styles. I think we are moving towards the european attitude, if it's rocking then I'll enoy it, don't try and pigeon hole it - music is there to make you dance not to give you a puzzle!

[death on a stick]

not enough quality control.

too much dumbing down.

too many people who think "it's just dance music".

[Stuart]

This Disussion is going on, in every discussion board in every Genre. Some people unfortunately capitalise on what sells records whilst others like to keep their sound true to what the public know their tunes to sound like.
Dj's like Judge Jules and Fergie will play what ever they deem to be popular or branch out into sounds that they think are doing it at that moment they have done it with Breaks and Techno. They obvioulsy read magazines like mix mag that write articles saying things like how popular techno is underground why does this music stay underground it should be up in the for front of the clubbing scene. Which is what and article in mix mag said last year sometime, (or words to that effect) then next thing you know you've got a club like Code in birmingham on radio one live doing the funky chicken to fergie playing techno?
What bugs me is if you put on a night with smoe of the best techno dj's in the country and flyer out side a club after fergie has played a set of techno the response your'll get from the crowd as they come out is "Oh I'm not going to a techno night"
Conlusion is they end up thinking that what Fergie has played is a new style of what he usually plays. These kids need educating.
Anyway! what is with that funky chicken thing don't they realise how rediculas they look.

Peace out

[miromiric.]

too many people who think "it's just dance music".


that`s exactly what people should be educated about. that it`s not just about body but also about mind, actually more about mind.

[miromiric.]

aaarrrghh i just heard on radio, which play popular chart100 music, that cheesy so called techno track with flash aaaaa sample in it! :evil: :shock:

[Patrick]

aaarrrghh i just heard on radio, which play popular chart100 music, that cheesy so called techno track with flash aaaaa sample in it! :evil: :shock:

Yes, thanks a lot misters Smith and Selway ! :twisted: Even HMV had 2 display racks of this track, one original and one remix pack (Smith and Selway mix). This is 2 Unlimited for 2003. Every beer boy in every pub in every town is already giving it 'large' to this track. I even heard Chris 'fat knacker' Moyles bigging up this tune on his afternoon radio 1 show. Moyles thinking he's playing techno is a whole, whole, whole heap worse than even Fairgie or the Judge I reckon. A lot worse.

Actually, that's my issue of the moment! Radio 1, keep your corporate, bandwagon jumping, talentless, populist, thieving hands off our music ! You're not welcome ! Get back to flogging your paedophile pop like Spears and Tatu and fcuk right off! :twisted:
Err, rant over. :oops:

[Patrick]

Obviously I exclude John Peel, the legend, from my radio 1 rant. And Annie Nightingale.

[gunjack]

i think the biggest issue for me in techno is the nepestism (sp?) certain artists get better communication with distributors and others get left in the cold even when their records sell pretty well.

[Adverse]

nepotism :) and totally.

[gunjack]

spanx verse. :D

[detfella]

I dont care for waht Jules & Fergie are playing...I'm sure we'll never hear them play underground techno. I imagine they only play tracks by Umek, Bailey or tracks with bigger breakdowns. I give them respect for even playing techno on a fri & sat night to the weekend wannabes.

Besides, we've all made bad musical judgements in the past (me anyway...I used to like [and still do like] hardcore). I think the more you listen to a certain type of music, the more interested you become. We all love techno so much because we can all relate it to being inside the club and dancing our tits off, or stood behind dex in our rooms, knowing full well that we're going to be the next Jeff or Richie. For someone thats never been to a techno night, it'll be harder for them to appreciate it.

My issue with the techno is the lack of new talent that gets promoted. I get the impression that the direction of Techno is run by a select number of people (think distributers,agencies&clubs).

Tis a good time for all things music. Most of us have access to computers that can produce quality tracks. The one thing that always needs to happen is proggression, maybe in 5 years techno will have warped into a new style.

[Esox Lucius]

see what you are saying detfella, but i don`t have a shred of respect for fergie & jules.

[miasma man]

Hmm, just got into this one.

The major concern with me right now and has been for the past, oh, I dunno, 3/4 years is education. Most people just think Techno is music for drugged up ravers going boom, boom (oh how we love you Mr 4/4), boom.

Techno is a lot more than this - there are so many sub-genres of Techno that are abstract and beautiful and cleverly progressive etc.

I want to do this - promote the other styles of Techno that many people are not aware of.

Hmm, challenging or what ?!?

[DJZeMig_L]

In a nutshell :

Narrowmindness

Cheesy distributers/ promotors/ Mags and media with they're own aggenda/ Friends in "high places"

It should b about who good u do it and not who u know.

Z

[Paul Nisbet]

A think techno is very up its on arse if u dont mind me saying.

Cant complain about the quality tho.

[lunatrick]

I agree techno can be up it's arse, but then again most genres have the same problem look at VIP style house or whatever, where if you're not beautiful you probably won't get in....

I don't think it has that many major problems though - i think the scene is quite healthy and even though in a way I don't like the commercialisation of it, it can't be bad thing when dj's like steve thomas or andy farley are bigging up dave the drummer tunes, why shouldn't some of the very underground guys make some headway and money, which in turn will help the scene thrive. i don't think the scene in the Uk will ever get to the heights it reaches in europe though, because over there they have 10-20,00 capacity parties where about the biggest it gets over here is probably atomic jam......

[Esox Lucius]

techno is not up it`s own arse, maybe some of the people who are passionately into it are.

every genre suffers this though, maybe techno more than others.... imo techno is a specialist genre, most people into techno, it`s their life, not just music they like to listen to.... i love every aspect of it, the music itself, and the scene in general, i dream about techno all the time, it`s my no1 passion in life.

i think this goes for most on this board too.

[BritishMurderBoy]

spot on john, if there is a problem with the techno community it is that they are too passionate about the music (if that is a bad thing).......

as for my issues, well there all pretty much listed...

1. R1 (and MTV btw, watch it late nite, shocking!!) minus John Peel
(could be a hawtin track lol..... :roll: )

2.Godskitchen etc.....


Distribution is a very good point as well....

[Esox Lucius]

what tracks do they play on mtv? didn`t know techno even got mentioned on there, i only watch it for jackass & the osbournes.

[Qrios]

i've seen vids for forklift (beltram), la la land (green velvet) and some laurent garnier stu on mtv..

anyways, there are two techno related issues that irritate me:

1) lazy producers - people who think taking a four bar sample of whatever and sticking a kick drum, a ride n some compression over it is material worth releasing, i won't name any names but i've heard some tracks lately and just thought...you lazy f****rs..

2) bandwagonning - people who want to use techno to be some kind of superstar hero, want to produce it but do it in the quickest, easiest and most obvious way and use it to be accepted and loved....
i know of people who use foreign names to dj under to make themselves sound more ...wait for it....exotic???!!!??!

i think techno is a way of life, and you have to live it to fully appreciate it.
whether you listen to it, play it or produce it, getting into techno is usually a natural progression, and whe people get into it for the wrong reasons......WHY I'D JUST LIKE TO...(hands in a throttling position).

well, got that of my chest.

[Dustin Zahn]

I just think that the overall genre of techno has exploded immensly in the past 3 years. It used to be hard banging techno, and thats about it I guess. But nowadays, you have groovy techno, hard banging techno, trancey techno, all these forms of techno. The problem is, people are having a hard time adjusting to this. They focus on producers they relied on before, but they don't realize these producers are moving on.

While some hard techno proudcer from yesteryear may be on the housey tip now, there is surely someone coming through the ranks to take his place. Techno is in a time of change, and too many people are paying attention to the types of techno that don't interest them, therefore they become jaded.

[miromiric.]

[quote="Dustin Zahn"]I just think that the overall genre of techno has exploded immensly in the past 3 years. It used to be hard banging techno
quote]


not just hard banging techno at all! :wink:

[Patrick]

I just think that the overall genre of techno has exploded immensly in the past 3 years. It used to be hard banging techno, and thats about it I guess. But nowadays, you have groovy techno, hard banging techno, trancey techno, all these forms of techno.

:?: Dustin, as a matter of interest, how long have you been into techno ? :?:

[death on a stick]

I just think that the overall genre of techno has exploded immensly in the past 3 years. It used to be hard banging techno, and thats about it I guess. But nowadays, you have groovy techno, hard banging techno, trancey techno, all these forms of techno.

Dustin, as a matter of interest, how long have you been into techno ?

Good question. What a bizarre paragraph.


It used to be hard banging techno, and thats about it I guess.

Especially that bit...

Which leads me onto another problem in techno - people who think it is, or has ever been, "hard banging techno and thats about it". I know a lot of these people are young and are being conditioned by clubs by Atomic Jam and Orbit into thinking there should be no variety in techno, that it should just be hard pummeling loops and majestic breakdowns with even harder comebacks...for this I blame the DJs and promoters who take the easy option and continue to play music/book acts that have never and will never show a scrap of innovation...but "know how to get a crowd going". F u c k yeah, have someone like Mike Parker or Kunio Asai down there and the kids will be crying for their mummys cos the music is actually stimulating their minds for once. ooooh, scary.

[BritishMurderBoy]

classic situation:

"what music do u like"

"techno"

"oh....... Tekno Tekno Tekno?!?"

some people just need educating...........


what tracks do they play on mtv? didn`t know techno even got mentioned on there, i only watch it for jackass & the osbournes.

thats the point john they don't play techno! But they claim that it is.... its all trance bollox..... they really are warping peoples minds.

[Dustin Zahn]

I just think that the overall genre of techno has exploded immensly in the past 3 years. It used to be hard banging techno, and thats about it I guess. But nowadays, you have groovy techno, hard banging techno, trancey techno, all these forms of techno.

:?: Dustin, as a matter of interest, how long have you been into techno ? :?:

Honestly since only '99. I guess the line about hard bangin techno isn't nessecarily true, but I still am standing by the rest of what I have to say.

[BritishMurderBoy]

so ur saying that techno has "exploded" into many new variations over tha past 3 years?

:?:

[John Vella]

I have 3 main issues to share......


1)Too many techno people take themselves too seriously....

Nothing is wrong with putting 110% effort, love and devotion into your music. But at the same time there's no need to be an ass about it either.

Chris Liberator is a great example of someone who has dedicated his life to music, but at the same time manages to keep a proper prespective on it all.

2) Another issue is that of "Musical Hogs". There are far too many cliques of techno people who are too snobby to share the sounds to people from other walks of musical life..... As if this music is just for them. And as if "nobody else would be clever enough to understand".

Once again this is Bull. With my own eyes, I have seen lifelong happy hardcore lovers shake their butts off to Christian Varela PAINS remixes....

Just take yourself as an example... You didn't come out of your mother's womb knowing about how sweet dozens of drum loops can sound together! Everyone started out listening to something before techno.


3)Techno people who waste so much energy on this "superior" self image. You know the ones that try so hard to talk, walk, look and act like they so much more in the know than you.... These people go on and on about how their musical tastes are more refined..... How such & such is not "REAL" techno.... Half the time you really wonder if they are lying to themselves because they are usually missing the whole point.... THEY AREN'T ENJOYING THEMSELVES. Like this techno thing is all being done for image....


-JOHNNY

[miromiric.]

true johnny, but it`s kinda hard to stay cool all the time.
i know i get frustrated when i see what people are falling to. i get frustrated when i see 2000 people go crazy on adam beyer (who i respect for what he used to do), playing some really funny stuff, and when oscar mulero gets almost no applause after 2 hours of the sweetest, most innovative thing.

and on the other hand maybe all this talk is completely useless.

[aggressor]

SOLUTION

Cut yourself off from the rest of the techno world
stay at home and listen to UR / Redplanet

Result

Nothing wrong with techno

[gunjack]

...and on the other hand maybe all this talk is completely useless.



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[daviec]

I have 3 main issues to share......


1)Too many techno people take themselves too seriously....

Nothing is wrong with putting 110% effort, love and devotion into your music. But at the same time there's no need to be an ass about it either.

Chris Liberator is a great example of someone who has dedicated his life to music, but at the same time manages to keep a proper prespective on it all.

Exactly. Chris obviously isn't up his own arse, but who could question his dedication to the music he loves. Brilliant example. :)




2) Another issue is that of "Musical Hogs". There are far too many cliques of techno people who are too snobby to share the sounds to people from other walks of musical life..... As if this music is just for them. And as if "nobody else would be clever enough to understand".

Once again this is Bull. With my own eyes, I have seen lifelong happy hardcore lovers shake their butts off to Christian Varela PAINS remixes....

Just take yourself as an example... You didn't come out of your mother's womb knowing about how sweet dozens of drum loops can sound together! Everyone started out listening to something before techno....and again. Spot on! If you've only ever listened to techno how can you know for sure it's the music you love the most, and if you have listened to other styles of music you probably liked some of them for a while and moved on, eventually coming to techno.



3)Techno people who waste so much energy on this "superior" self image. You know the ones that try so hard to talk, walk, look and act like they so much more in the know than you.... These people go on and on about how their musical tastes are more refined..... How such & such is not "REAL" techno.... Half the time you really wonder if they are lying to themselves because they are usually missing the whole point.... THEY AREN'T ENJOYING THEMSELVES. Like this techno thing is all being done for image....


-JOHNNY3 out of 3, your on a roll :D

You've just described a guy I know down to a tee. I won't even to the guy about techno as he gets up on his high horse. A year and a half ago the guy didn't even listen to techno, now he thinks he knows it all. He stands at the side of dj boxes noting tunes on his mobile and I swear he didn't even crack a smile last time we were at Pressure.

[miromiric.]

He stands at the side of dj boxes noting tunes on his mobile and I swear he didn't even crack a smile last time we were at Pressure.


What a bastard!