Why do so many people........

[audioinjection]

bad mouth Fruity Loops?? I'm curious to why that is, because FL is the shit now, better than Reason imho

[xfive]

It's gotta be the name..... :shock: :lol:

[Komplex]

it IS the name.

but people tend to bad mouth things that are easy to use and allow the same result as something else to be acomplished in less time :)

[dan the acid man]

ive always prefered it to reason, i cant way to play around with the new one

[AcidTrash]

People bad mouth it because unlike some programmes it doesn't take years of study to get results. people resent newbies making stuff of similar quaity to them with only a few weeks of effort. Fruity studio is comprehensive and intuitive and makes most hardware obsolete. That's gonna piss a fair few people off. Long live Fruity loops. Finally a platform we all understand that lets us share our ideas without being technical wizards.

[dirty_bass]

Finally a platform we all understand that lets us share our ideas without being technical wizards.

I think to get professional results, unless you are using other peoples samples, you will still need to acquire some "technical wizardry"

[loopdon]

Fruity all the way!

[hiroprotagonist]

ive never seen or used FL. correct me if im wrong but it follows the same lines that Acid does right? a loop sequencer. does it have vst and vsti capabilities? midi sequencing? i dont really know much about it so this is all guess work. as far as im concerned if it DOES make it easier to make a professional sounding piece just like the big boys then this raises the bar now doesnt it?
i challenge anyone who is complaining to work harder. if its this easy for a relative newb to create good music then everyone else is going to have to try harder. push the envelope and really come up with some new ideas. this could be the best thing for loop based music yet! or maybe i dont know what im talking about :oops:

[loopdon]

Finally a platform we all understand that lets us share our ideas without being technical wizards.

I think to get professional results, unless you are using other peoples samples, you will still need to acquire some "technical wizardry"


Yes, and i like the thought of doing that, too.

[loopdon]

ive never seen or used FL. correct me if im wrong but it follows the same lines that Acid does right? a loop sequencer. does it have vst and vsti capabilities? midi sequencing? i dont really know much about it so this is all guess work. as far as im concerned if it DOES make it easier to make a professional sounding piece just like the big boys then this raises the bar now doesnt it?
i challenge anyone who is complaining to work harder. if its this easy for a relative newb to create good music then everyone else is going to have to try harder. push the envelope and really come up with some new ideas. this could be the best thing for loop based music yet! or maybe i dont know what im talking about :oops:

yeah, there's vst/vsti support and a lot of other stuff. low price. quality ;)

[eyes without a face]

its gotta be the name and its GUI i think, but look beyond that and boy its one kick ass program

altho u do need more than a few weeks on it to get releasable results i think

[professor]

I would have bought a copy long ago, but it was only a PC app.
Has that changed? I used Reason2 because it was/is cross-format.

[DJZeMigL]

With knodledge u can do the dogs bollo*ks with it.. it's got all, midi, vsti,dxi plug ins, automation..(audio) .. I haven't explored the audio tracks that much, I prefer 2 do it all in realtime (sample7 efx/ eq/ dinamics) so I don't C much point in bouncing (until yer CPU starts 2 die)...

My complains are more towards the "crappy mixer" (not much headroom) and the short faders/ panning controls... but I guess U can always rewire 2 cubase!

Z

[dulash]

Fruity is realy a thing that i miss on my mac

[xfive]

Do you Fruity guys use the builtin compressor plug or third party?

I couldn't get the sound I wanted with the builtin one.
Live's builtin comp gives me some nice results tho.

[eyes without a face]

i use both the one that comes with it and various other compressors

[AcidTrash]

Finally a platform we all understand that lets us share our ideas without being technical wizards.

I think to get professional results, unless you are using other peoples samples, you will still need to acquire some "technical wizardry"

I still don't think you need technical wizardry. You just need techno knowhow and that's something having decks will teach you more than any software.

[eyes without a face]

Finally a platform we all understand that lets us share our ideas without being technical wizards.

I think to get professional results, unless you are using other peoples samples, you will still need to acquire some "technical wizardry"

I still don't think you need technical wizardry. You just need techno knowhow and that's something having decks will teach you more than any software.

thats quite naive, of course you need some technical wizardy. The tracks still need mastering before cutting, and also, decks and djing is a totally different ball game

[dan the acid man]

i use both the one that comes with it and various other compressors

same here

[audioinjection]

i use waves stuff, along w/ my universal audio dsp card ;)

[xfive]

Yeah I have been experimenting with the Waves C1 and C4 recently. Loving the output :love:

Hows that Universal DSP stack against a TC Powercore ?

[audioinjection]

i havent tried the power core, but i love the u-audio dsp, absolutley amazing, very well worth the money

[DJZeMigL]

UAD is generally better dynamics/ eq/ verb plug ins... so us'em for the most important sounds, powercore synths, x3 (hope u get x5 soon) and processing on slightly less important sounds...

UAD is the cherry on top powercore is the workhorse the "brute force"... but don't get me wrong it is very good and sounds excellent!

Just wish fruity had a better mixer and Delay compensation for plug ins like such!

Z

[xfive]

I personally have never noticed any delay with my plugins and such (I'm using Live most of the time).
Is that due to running the plugins on the external hardware, or do you notice a delay using native plugins as well?

I'm thinking of getting one of these DSP cards because lately I have been completely brickwalling my 1.7GHz box and must keep bouncing audio .. which I don't really like to do.

Economically I can get a 3GHz cpu, RAM and motherboard for less than one of these DSP cards.... How big of an advantage do the cards give you ? If it's not 1.3GHz "worth" (obviously the DSP chips run at lower clockspeeds and are designed with very specific tasks in mind) then I am inclinied to go the new PC route.

I guess my basic question is how much shit can you load up in one of those DSP cards before it maxes out? :lol:

[j_s]

Economically I can get a 3GHz cpu, RAM and motherboard for less than one of these DSP cards.... How big of an advantage do the cards give you ? If it's not 1.3GHz "worth" (obviously the DSP chips run at lower clockspeeds and are designed with very specific tasks in mind) then I am inclinied to go the new PC route.

I guess my basic question is how much shit can you load up in one of those DSP cards before it maxes out?

I'd be intereted to know this too, I'm also curious about how much of the load is actually taken by the dsp, as I remember reading some plugins run partly off the CPU...

Given the price of them, I've always thought buying a rackmount pc & running VST Stack or something would be a more versatile option, but I've never seen anyone make a real comparison between the two.

[DJZeMigL]

The point is not only the DSP, the real value is the quality of the plug ins, TC is one of the best digital hardware efxs/ processing brand!!

The Universal Audio (UAD) makes mega-powerfull vintage hardware that makes u sh*t in yer pants when U hear and specially when u check the price tag (lol)...

how many can u run, well just like yer PC kinda depends on what plug ins u choose.. stuff like x3 can take almost one of the internal DSPs on a powercore... but I would say for a Powercore firewire rack (the most powerfull) u could use something like 14 eq sat, 2 verbs, 1 delay/ chorus, 2 lA20 comp/lim, ...
The UAD I can't really tell but should b a little less, but mind u these are very high quality so U ain't gonna use 10 fairchild + 20 oxford eq!

The delay exist only on the "outside" plug ins (i.e. powercore/ uad).. no probs in SX though :)

So actually U would probably use almost as many plug ins as u would with yer CPU, but on a powercore, so u can free it for rewiring fruity with sx and still have lots of power 2 use really tasty pluggos like waves and the likes! ;)

Z

[dan the acid man]

can anyone tell me if its worth paying extra for fruity loops studio producer addition, im looking to upgrade as im still using version 3 :oops:

Plus, if i buy the boxed version can i get the free upgrades, or do i have to buy the online version :?:

[DJZeMigL]

free updates I think u only get on-line.

I think the main difference is being able 2 record audio, Personally it's a funtion I don't use but I don't think I've tryed the standard version so can't say much more than that!

:(


Z

[xfive]

The point is not only the DSP, the real value is the quality of the plug ins, TC is one of the best digital hardware efxs/ processing brand!!

The Universal Audio (UAD) makes mega-powerfull vintage hardware that makes u sh*t in yer pants when U hear and specially when u check the price tag (lol)...

how many can u run, well just like yer PC kinda depends on what plug ins u choose.. stuff like x3 can take almost one of the internal DSPs on a powercore... but I would say for a Powercore firewire rack (the most powerfull) u could use something like 14 eq sat, 2 verbs, 1 delay/ chorus, 2 lA20 comp/lim, ...
The UAD I can't really tell but should b a little less, but mind u these are very high quality so U ain't gonna use 10 fairchild + 20 oxford eq!

The delay exist only on the "outside" plug ins (i.e. powercore/ uad).. no probs in SX though :)

So actually U would probably use almost as many plug ins as u would with yer CPU, but on a powercore, so u can free it for rewiring fruity with sx and still have lots of power 2 use really tasty pluggos like waves and the likes! ;)

Z


Cheers Z
That is a good point about the actual plugins themselves... hmmm....
Still not sure which one I'd get though... uad ... or powercore firewire.

:lol:

[dan the acid man]

free updates I think u only get on-line.

I think the main difference is being able 2 record audio, Personally it's a funtion I don't use but I don't think I've tryed the standard version so can't say much more than that!

:(


Z

cheers z, thats the impression i got aswell

[AcidTrash]

thats quite naive, of course you need some technical wizardy. The tracks still need mastering before cutting, and also, decks and djing is a totally different ball game[/quote]

Master as you go imho. Decks are not a different ball game at all. I've learned more about production from mixing that I ever did from pratting about with rebirth etc. Especially when it comes to pure hard techno if you have a mixer with FX.

[eyes without a face]

:roll:

[j_s]

Master as you go imho. Decks are not a different ball game at all. I've learned more about production from mixing that I ever did from pratting about with rebirth etc. Especially when it comes to pure hard techno if you have a mixer with FX.

How you can learn to make sounds from only hearing is beyond me. Of course, listening is essential and probably half the learning process, but you need to really get to grips with sound manipulation before you can even begin to recreate what you have heard/conceptualised....

[tocsin]

People bad mouth it because unlike some programmes it doesn't take years of study to get results. people resent newbies making stuff of similar quaity to them with only a few weeks of effort. Fruity studio is comprehensive and intuitive and makes most hardware obsolete. That's gonna piss a fair few people off.

Bingo. Though, I don't think FL or any software makes hardware obsolete, I do think such programs make the arguments of the gear whores all that more pompous. But, to be honest, the most slagging I've seen done on FL is by people who still use Fast Tracker or now Renoise. So, you have different key commands/mouse commands for the same results in the end. Big whoop? But, yeah, seems to annoy people that learned the quirky non-friendly FT interface quite a bit sometimes. ;)

[rounser]

But, to be honest, the most slagging I've seen done on FL is by people who still use Fast Tracker or now Renoise.
How odd. Renoise and FL Studio both have step-sequenceresque interfaces in common, for instance...and I always thought that the traditional apples and oranges, my-host-is-bettah matchup for FL Studio was with Reason.

Ah well, is all nonsense for the most part anyway...

[AcidTrash]

Master as you go imho. Decks are not a different ball game at all. I've learned more about production from mixing that I ever did from pratting about with rebirth etc. Especially when it comes to pure hard techno if you have a mixer with FX.

How you can learn to make sounds from only hearing is beyond me. Of course, listening is essential and probably half the learning process, but you need to really get to grips with sound manipulation before you can even begin to recreate what you have heard/conceptualised....

I guess I have an instinct for making the sounds I want.

[fresh_an_funky_design]

Correct me if im wrong but having never used fruity loops im not quite sure, but im lead to believe its an audio only sequence like acid. if it is...

then how can you claim that what you have made using fruity is actually yours, as at the end of the day your just mixing some one else's loops!

I know some one (no names mentioned!) who makes an releases tunes on acid. now he gives me a cd with his 'new tunes' on which is just a shed load of loops sequnced together. Now although some of his tunes sound good i dont really respect them as there not original, an they've been made in 5 minutes flat

Anyway im quite sure a lot of these loop producers couldnt make a midi only tune using drum machines & synths!!

p.s. if im wrong about fruity loops being an audio only sequencer then this rant only applies to acid!!!

[MangaFish]

fresh_an_funky_design: you've got the wrong impression of fruity

fruity originally started as a toy for creating loops and grooves. the sequencer was slapped on afterwards (which is why quite often sequencing something in fruity is an arse-about way of doing it)

i know of people that use fruity to creative their loops and grooves, and once they are happy with their patterns, they export them to cubase to sequence it

[fresh_an_funky_design]

ah i see, as i say i dont know about fruity, cheers for pointing me right, so i dont make an arse of myself

[schlongfingers]

You can use vst's aplenty in fruity, and work with it in either step sequencer mode or piano roll mode - it's quite possible, and indeed much more fun to be completely self sufficient in it just like Cubase and Logic.

[viagratek]

i have noticed sound degradation in earlier versions of fruity. once loaded into the little samplers the samples sounded low, lost clairty a sometimes muddied highs, mids, lows, etc depending on the sample.

i would compare the sample running thru fruity next to the actual sample in something like cool edit can i could tell the difference.


hasnt stopped me from using it though :lol: