techno is in a sad state in the U.S

[IluvCox]

having lived my entire life in the U.S, i am used to being techno starved. we only get a handful of quality events that offer real techno every year. these events took on extreme importance to those of us who can't live with out that sound, and even though we'd have to wait months at a time for these rare occasions, they were usually amazing nights that we could hold onto until the next time. the last year and a half has been so disappointing though. fewer and fewer promoters are booking techno dj's and when they do it is always the same few. most recently, even dj's we've always been able to count on to deliver the goods have been more than just a little disappointing. they aren't really playing techno anymore. they all seem to be experimenting with this minimal, slow (and boring) house/electro tech stuff. while i can appreciate this sound, it just doesn't move a dancefloor like those pounding grooves we are so deprived of here. i haven't heard a dj (other than my friends) bang techno proper in at least a year. i'm starting to lose faith. i know most of the people who frequent this website live in europe. i hope you all know just how fortunate you are. and to any techno dj's who do play occasionally in the U.S., when you come, just let it rip!

[The Overfiend]

The best way towards growth in anything is education.

[Zektor]

The best way towards growth in anything is education.


And patience.

[viagratek]

and being proactive :lol:


dont sit around and wait for it to happen....DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. thats what alot on these boards are are doing on some level or another. i know its easier said then done...but nobody said it would be easy.


not sure where you live but the first step is hooking up with like minded individuals...and start small


good luck it

[viagratek]

jeeezuz please excuse my grammar errors guys..its super ****in early over here and i been bustin all nighers all weekend

[Jimfish]

they aren't really playing techno anymore. they all seem to be experimenting with this minimal, slow (and boring) house/electro tech stuff.

sounds pretty sweet to me :love:

[audioinjection]

droids got it down here in LA

[g]

ok, where do you live?

given your handle maybe part of the problem is what you're looking for.
"problem" in the most constructive sense of the word, of course. ;)

[Joseph Isaac]

ok, where do you live?

given your handle maybe part of the problem is what you're looking for.
"problem" in the most constructive sense of the word, of course. ;)

Indeed.


I would say Droid gets the most respect out of any crew on the West Coast and Zahn in the Midwest...I know NYC has sht poppin off too...Other than that, get up off your arse and do something. If you don't work, you don't eat...Think about it.

[Dustin Zahn]

"I didn't fight a secret war in Nicaragua so I could listen to you bad mouth Lady America!"

[Internal Error Records]

dunno my friend.

the nyc/philly region has got plenty of banging techno!!

[mindbender]

I can agree with that, I have been in this industry for 12 years, I have seen it's ups and downs, but when it really comes down to it, people really do need to get off their asses and really start using their heads to make that difference. As of recently, I have been seeing this industry making that loop back to bigger events, better talent, excuse me, talent that should frequent the states more often. People are making more of an effort lately (for example in the last recent months : Regis, Surgeon, this Saturday Cari Lekebusch, coming up is Speedy J...).. I don't know but, I am finding a bigger smile on my face when I do attend these events...they're poppin off. I am the Techno buyer at Wax Addict Records (http://www.waxaddict.com). I see where this music has gone too, all I can do is PUSH the harder Techno, because for one, I can't resist it. Just gotta keep on pushing, in the end it'll all pay off.

I am in Chicago,IL - USA...

LONG LIVE TECHNO

[djshiva]

i think the interesting thing about US techno is that, while sometimes events are tough to find, it has driven so many people into their studios and really bolstered the creative juices for so many of us.

that said, i get pretty bored in the studio sometimes, so i understand the need for a good rip roaring party, but everyone has already stated the key to this. if you want something bad enough, you'll make it happen.

[Internal Error Records]

If you are really tight into the US techno industry (and many of us here are) you will see a growing 'techno-circuit' in the States.

A worthy techno soldier from abroad will play in NYC, then immediatly in Philly, then in Chicago and then in another midwest spot or two, then down to Texas.

The pattern is repeating over and over.

There is techno here!

[AcidTrash]

"techno is in a sad state in the U.S"

Always has been! ;) :)

[gunjack]

having lived my entire life in the U.S, i am used to being techno starved. we only get a handful of quality events that offer real techno every year. these events took on extreme importance to those of us who can't live with out that sound, and even though we'd have to wait months at a time for these rare occasions, they were usually amazing nights that we could hold onto until the next time. the last year and a half has been so disappointing though. fewer and fewer promoters are booking techno dj's and when they do it is always the same few. most recently, even dj's we've always been able to count on to deliver the goods have been more than just a little disappointing. they aren't really playing techno anymore. they all seem to be experimenting with this minimal, slow (and boring) house/electro tech stuff. while i can appreciate this sound, it just doesn't move a dancefloor like those pounding grooves we are so deprived of here. i haven't heard a dj (other than my friends) bang techno proper in at least a year. i'm starting to lose faith. i know most of the people who frequent this website live in europe. i hope you all know just how fortunate you are. and to any techno dj's who do play occasionally in the U.S., when you come, just let it rip!


dude your scrren name says it all. :eh:

[audioinjection]

i hope that means cox as carl cox :doh:

[heavy beats]

hahaha

[BRADLEE]

I think right now overall this statement is very correct. Atleast where I live here in AZ, I am one of the only people who brings the techno. There are a few, but for the most part I am the only one doign any shows out here. My Homie Brandon DeCarlo is also present now too though, and with the additional Of WETWORKS, AZ should be changing direction. I plan on making these changes very soon as out here, everything is over run by Drum N bass.

[Stella Boy]

I know i'm going off on a bit of a tangent here but what's the possibility of getting and us/uk meet up ( east coast preferable for obvious reasons ). Flights are (fairly)cheap, we could hook up and get get somekind of BOA meets US party going on. We'd obviously need some place to party without restraint to make it worthwhile ;)

Seriously, if any euro BOA member ( or anyone else not from this board ) is interested then please let me know and if interest is high then i'll look into getting something sorted for a trans america trip sorted for later this year, early next year.

[SlavikSvensk]

and it's relatively cheap for midwesterners and west coasters to fly east...

...great idea!

[g]

"techno is in a sad state in the U.S"

Always has been! ;) :)
that's also true

[g]

having lived my entire life in the U.S, i am used to being techno starved. we only get a handful of quality events that offer real techno every year. these events took on extreme importance to those of us who can't live with out that sound, and even though we'd have to wait months at a time for these rare occasions, they were usually amazing nights that we could hold onto until the next time. the last year and a half has been so disappointing though. fewer and fewer promoters are booking techno dj's and when they do it is always the same few. most recently, even dj's we've always been able to count on to deliver the goods have been more than just a little disappointing. they aren't really playing techno anymore. they all seem to be experimenting with this minimal, slow (and boring) house/electro tech stuff. while i can appreciate this sound, it just doesn't move a dancefloor like those pounding grooves we are so deprived of here. i haven't heard a dj (other than my friends) bang techno proper in at least a year. i'm starting to lose faith. i know most of the people who frequent this website live in europe. i hope you all know just how fortunate you are. and to any techno dj's who do play occasionally in the U.S., when you come, just let it rip!
dude your scrren name says it all. :eh:
what i said, only a bit more diplomatically -]

[Internal Error Records]

its important to note that the USA is vastly larger (in square miles) than any other techno country in the world.

it is impossible to calculate all the isolated techno heads in the United States, but it is quite possible for them to number in the hundreds of thousands (if not millions).

and city for city, there is more techno strongholds in the US than any other country. some are just a bit stunted due to oppressive anti-rave government.

i mean look at it - NYC, Philly, Bmore/DC, Chicago, Detroit, and many others.... lots of techno in the US, even if you unfortuntly live thousands of miles away from it.

[BRADLEE]

Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject:

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I know i'm going off on a bit of a tangent here but what's the possibility of getting and us/uk meet up ( east coast preferable for obvious reasons ). Flights are (fairly)cheap, we could hook up and get get somekind of BOA meets US party going on. We'd obviously need some place to party without restraint to make it worthwhile

Seriously, if any euro BOA member ( or anyone else not from this board ) is interested then please let me know and if interest is high then i'll look into getting something sorted for a trans america trip sorted for later this year, early next year.


That sounds like good times as long as it's after August...I get more vacation then ;)

You guys plan one out in NYC sometime after that and I'll do whatever it is I have to do to get there!!!

[The Overfiend]

why dont we all pool our resources and money if possible and throw the biggest most respected party period?

somewhere in the virgin islands or pr
make it worth the trip

[Patrick DSP]

why dont we all pool our resources and money if possible and throw the biggest most respected party period?

somewhere in the virgin islands or pr
make it worth the trip

puerto rico!!!
and get Lunny Tunes going!!!

[g]

why dont we all pool our resources and money if possible and throw the biggest most respected party period?

somewhere in the virgin islands or pr
make it worth the trip
NOW you're talkin

[Internal Error Records]

in the US, i would say NYC, or a proper BOA party at WMC/Miami this year.


otherwise.... i always wanted to visit somwhere tropical.

[steelgrooves]

I think what this person is getting at is that when all the globally known techno jocks Beyer/Carola/Hawtin (to name a few) come through the U.S they are playing more minimal stripped down techno and not the usual Bangin bring the house down trax. Sure there are alot of peopele doing good things in small pockets around the US but the artists that have left us gasping for air in the past are playing more chilled out music and there just havent been any shows that have left that shocked feeling.

I kinda feel the same way after traveling to LA to see Beyer last weekend and he played a minimal glitch techno set(mad eye style). I liked it and all but it didnt blow me away like he has in the past.. Im not surprised though b/c all his production has been in thta direction.

[g]

sounds like you've never seen richie play in detroit :evil:

[Internal Error Records]

alot goes into how 'banging' a djs set is.

alot of the banging has to do with the venue and the sound system.

yeaha beyer has gone ultra-swank.... but that doesnt mean it cant be presented hard.

[The Overfiend]

why dont we all pool our resources and money if possible and throw the biggest most respected party period?

somewhere in the virgin islands or pr
make it worth the trip

puerto rico!!!
and get Lunny Tunes going!!!

i think thats a grand idea

[viagratek]

I think what this person is getting at is that when all the globally known techno jocks Beyer/Carola/Hawtin (to name a few) come through the U.S they are playing more minimal stripped down techno and not the usual Bangin bring the house down trax. Sure there are alot of peopele doing good things in small pockets around the US but the artists that have left us gasping for air in the past are playing more chilled out music and there just havent been any shows that have left that shocked feeling.

I kinda feel the same way after traveling to LA to see Beyer last weekend and he played a minimal glitch techno set(mad eye style). I liked it and all but it didnt blow me away like he has in the past.. Im not surprised though b/c all his production has been in thta direction.


he started off minimal but ended up banging it in usual drumcode fashion in the second half of his set

[steelgrooves]

I think what this person is getting at is that when all the globally known techno jocks Beyer/Carola/Hawtin (to name a few) come through the U.S they are playing more minimal stripped down techno and not the usual Bangin bring the house down trax. Sure there are alot of peopele doing good things in small pockets around the US but the artists that have left us gasping for air in the past are playing more chilled out music and there just havent been any shows that have left that shocked feeling.

I kinda feel the same way after traveling to LA to see Beyer last weekend and he played a minimal glitch techno set(mad eye style). I liked it and all but it didnt blow me away like he has in the past.. Im not surprised though b/c all his production has been in thta direction.


he started off minimal but ended up banging it in usual drumcode fashion in the second half of his set

Yeah I know.. He shouldve played after Robbie Rivera..I was real surprised he didnt.

[g]

I think what this person is getting at is that when all the globally known techno jocks Beyer/Carola/Hawtin (to name a few) come through the U.S they are playing more minimal stripped down techno and not the usual Bangin bring the house down trax. Sure there are alot of peopele doing good things in small pockets around the US but the artists that have left us gasping for air in the past are playing more chilled out music and there just havent been any shows that have left that shocked feeling.

I kinda feel the same way after traveling to LA to see Beyer last weekend and he played a minimal glitch techno set(mad eye style). I liked it and all but it didnt blow me away like he has in the past.. Im not surprised though b/c all his production has been in thta direction.
he started off minimal but ended up banging it in usual drumcode fashion in the second half of his set
Yeah I know.. He shouldve played after Robbie Rivera..I was real surprised he didnt.
yeah you know? you've just contradicted yourself.

[steelgrooves]

Alright MOST of his set was minimal.Even in the second hour he would pick it up and then go back to a more stripped down track. Overall it was mellow and alot slower than ANY other Beyer set Ive heard.Sorry Im not a pro at message boards :doh:

[g]

Alright MOST of his set was minimal.Even in the second hour he would pick it up and then go back to a more stripped down track. Overall it was mellow and alot slower than ANY other Beyer set Ive heard.Sorry Im not a pro at message boards :doh:
haha.. 's ok mate.
sounds like he was just playing to the crowd. LA is not germany...

[GothamGrooves.com]

It is very underground, unfortunatley because there are no media outlets such as a radio station that cater to it. It's hard for kids to get into something when they are not exposed to it. But Gil is right, when DJ's come to NY they usually end up havign flight shares in philly or bosotn, or chicago etc. So while we only get the big names and its rare, we do get them. And I do agree The minimal sound is unbearbale when I want to dance to some floor jackin beats at prime time!

[DJ Becka]

alot goes into how 'banging' a djs set is.

alot of the banging has to do with the venue and the sound system.

yeaha beyer has gone ultra-swank.... but that doesnt mean it cant be presented hard.

Hey man, he just played here in NYC last Thursday and his entire set was bangin....I dont think I heard him play one single minimal record at all ;)

[GothamGrooves.com]

Actually most of his set was bangin, but a lil after u guys left around 3 am ish he started to bring it down with some minimal. Not super bleepy but he did brign it down since kids were annihilated!!! :clap:

[DJ Becka]

Actually most of his set was bangin, but a lil after u guys left around 3 am ish he started to bring it down with some minimal. Not super bleepy but he did brign it down since kids were annihilated!!! :clap:

Well....some of us dont have the luxury of staying out all night during the work week either :doh:

Must
Be
Niiiiiicccceeeeeee
:lol:

[steelgrooves]

It is very underground, unfortunatley because there are no media outlets such as a radio station that cater to it. It's hard for kids to get into something when they are not exposed to it. But Gil is right, when DJ's come to NY they usually end up havign flight shares in philly or bosotn, or chicago etc. So while we only get the big names and its rare, we do get them. And I do agree The minimal sound is unbearbale when I want to dance to some floor jackin beats at prime time!

In LA he only played 2 hours and opened for Robbie Rivera. :roll: So Im sure that is one reason it was mostly minimal. Towards the end he started playing harder stuff then he was done. I was just pissy b.c I didnt get my fix.More like a BIG TEASE.Would have made much more sense to have him close. Any way I didnt mean to turn this into an Adam Beyer thread. :crackup:

[The Overfiend]

Actually most of his set was bangin, but a lil after u guys left around 3 am ish he started to bring it down with some minimal. Not super bleepy but he did brign it down since kids were annihilated!!! :clap:

Well....some of us dont have the luxury of staying out all night during the work week either :doh:

Must
Be
Niiiiiicccceeeeeee
:lol:

Ash is a stormtrooper

[djshiva]

one thing that i think is great is that, sure techno is a smaller field in the us, and drum n bass and progressive is ruling all over, but look at the good part of that.

drum n bass djs are a dime a dozen. ten gajillion of them all over and most can't mix for shit.

if yer one of two techno djs in your region, then you have a niche that isn't overfilled.

kinda nice really.

i would rather be one of a handful of techno djs than one in a gajillion of any other genre.

[tylero]

one thing that i think is great is that, sure techno is a smaller field in the us, and drum n bass and progressive is ruling all over, but look at the good part of that.
drum n bass djs are a dime a dozen. ten gajillion of them all over and most can't mix for shit.
if yer one of two techno djs in your region, then you have a niche that isn't overfilled.
kinda nice really.
i would rather be one of a handful of techno djs than one in a gajillion of any other genre.

:shhh: SHHHH Don't tell nobody! ;) I like it that way!

The techno scene in my town is damn good. You just have to work for it.

[djshiva]

same here. sure techno is small in the midwest USA, but it is well loved by many people.

and ****, we just had surgeon here on a sunday for five dollars and 150 people went off their heads for hours, so i really can't complain. :) :) :)

[heavy beats]

Alright MOST of his set was minimal.Even in the second hour he would pick it up and then go back to a more stripped down track. Overall it was mellow and alot slower than ANY other Beyer set Ive heard.Sorry Im not a pro at message boards :doh:
haha.. 's ok mate.
sounds like he was just playing to the crowd. LA is not germany...

honestly I think he wouldve gone even more minimal and bleepier in germany. :lol:

it's been the big sound there for quite a while now...

[heavy beats]

true...

but then again, to the average joe blow (who doesnt know shit about shit when it comes to electronic music) will assume that we all play techno.

I hate it when people call trance, techno. :nono:




one thing that i think is great is that, sure techno is a smaller field in the us, and drum n bass and progressive is ruling all over, but look at the good part of that.

drum n bass djs are a dime a dozen. ten gajillion of them all over and most can't mix for shit.

if yer one of two techno djs in your region, then you have a niche that isn't overfilled.

kinda nice really.

i would rather be one of a handful of techno djs than one in a gajillion of any other genre.

[DJAmok]

We need to educate the kids. Not look for the 21+ year old. The kids is what it´s all about.

Techno needs an image campaign.

Hiphop has the image of being tuff and bling bling and fast cars.

Techno has the image of being... well for scrawny wanna-be intellectuals with glasses who don´t get chicks

[Joseph Isaac]

well for scrawny wanna-be intellectuals with glasses who don´t get chicks

I contest this claim.

[viagratek]

DROID PIMPIN IT 7 NIGHTS A WEEK :cool: (or at least a month)

[GothamGrooves.com]

We need to educate the kids. Not look for the 21+ year old. The kids is what it´s all about.

Techno needs an image campaign.

Hiphop has the image of being tuff and bling bling and fast cars.

Techno has the image of being... well for scrawny wanna-be intellectuals with glasses who don´t get chicks


:clap: Perfectly said Ben. I have discussed this with Agent Orange many times... America especially is very image driven. Even though Hawtin is great the image he gave off was slightly nerdier, and that does not exactly appreal to the masses... The other large problem is media. Yes Hip hop has the image, but what drives that image? You have Clear Channel which is a huge monopoly. ( I know because I used to work for them, shh) Anyway, they own most of the major radio stations here, and many of the large venues. And since they are so tight with MTV what happen is.. You have some genric shit Jay Z makes, it is plastered all over the radio stations, then played on MTV 6 times a day, over and over. Guess what? People see it right in front of them and they accept it, and that image becomes apart of their culture. If Techno, or even electronic music in general had real media outlets such as radio then you would see a larger community evolve. Instead, word of mouth spreads through kids who have been in he scene for many years and you might get some new blood here and there. That is not the way for a scene to grow & thrive...

[GothamGrooves.com]

Well....some of us dont have the luxury of staying out all night during the work week either :doh:

Must
Be
Niiiiiicccceeeeeee
:lol:[/quote]

For 9 months I was up at 6 am and went to bed by 10, 11 pm. Pay backs a bitch!!!!!!!!! ;)

On a side note, thankz Anthony!

[The Overfiend]

no doubt man
the only image techno should have is a pic of a brain.

[DJAmok]

You do know though, that a brain ain´t exactly a chick-magnet. A Ferrari is.

If we got such big brains, we oughta think of a way of creating a "cool" image.

[heavy beats]

maybe we should make techno music videos where we party like rap videos....

sippin on goose, girlies on my lap, and sportin' ice on my chest!!!
*bling bling*


:crackup:

[eyes without a face]

its a "cool" image that throws up these kinda problems.... people thinking its "cool" to like certain styles, and then bailing ship when the said style is out of favour, has been rinsed completely out of any viable talent or respect it once contained and is on its last legs ... the absolute and utter LAST thing techno needs is any image attatched to it.... and for arguments sake if techno does have an image attatched at the moment, its certainly not geeks who cant get a girlfriend.... im not a geek (well i dont look like one anyway), id say 95% of the artists i know/admire are not geeks, alot have really beautiful girlfriends etc etc so im not sure where that comes from really... Techno will never ever get sold to the "kids" enough to make it a mass market, there aint gonna be no new MTV generation

[eyes without a face]

and knock me down with a big stick if im wrong, but hasnt techno been one of those genres over the years were people really were happy to let the music do the talking?

[GothamGrooves.com]

Like I stated ebfore image or not, theres no putlet.. you cold come up with a grat idea, but how exactly will people find out about it? there is no mtv or radio for techno in the states, let alone electronic music in general..

[The Divide]

To make it in America Techno needs a fashion make over too.....

[heavy beats]

To make it in America Techno needs a fashion make over too.....

lol

what's wrong with the way I dress?

:dontevengothere:

[Internal Error Records]

techno dorks in bedrooms producing techno can wear whatever they want (i know i do).


but to be a scene, you need girls. girls require image. otherwise your party is just a sausage fest with a few women (at best) who arent there for the guys.

[The Divide]

surprised people took that seriously hahaha

[DJ Becka]

true...
but then again, to the average joe blow (who doesnt know shit about shit when it comes to electronic music) will assume that we all play techno.

I hate it when people call trance, techno. :nono:


:lol: One of my coworkers just said to me today that they were playing techno on WKTU the other day....just to give the people on here a clue as to what KTU plays....it ain't techno:doh:

[djshiva]

fuggit...i say techno needs a little dose of punk rock.

but then i have always said that.

sure the neat thing about techno is that any of us dorks can make tunes in our bedrooms, but let's face it...who gets remembered by the average punter?

mark eg is a nutter. you fuggin REMEMBER his ass after you see him play.

more crazy punk bastards in techno. that's my theory and i am stickin to it!

:lol: :shock: :lol:

[djshiva]

hmmm...well maybe you don't remember his ass specifically, but...you get what i mean... :twisted:

[DJ Becka]

hmmm...well maybe you don't remember his ass specifically, but...you get what i mean... :twisted:

:shock: :lol:

[MARKEG]

:wtf:

hehehehe

[Will]

I hate it when people call trance, techno. :nono:


Doesn't it cut both ways though, you can play techno at trance nights? Which isn't such a bad thing!

[The Divide]

"There's less room to be different in the U.S. The scene there is driven by money and image; it's difficult to take the culture further out to where it needs to go." (Metro Times, Detroit)

Richie Plastikman Hawtin explains one of the reasons why he relocated from Detroit to Berlin last year.

[Joseph Isaac]

"There's less room to be different in the U.S. The scene there is driven by money and image; it's difficult to take the culture further out to where it needs to go." (Metro Times, Detroit)

Richie Plastikman Hawtin explains one of the reasons why he relocated from Detroit to Berlin last year.

Very good post. I have been considering a move either Belgium or Holland for quite some time now, but with my worthless dollar (compared to the Euro) its just not possible. Thanks W.

[The Overfiend]

hmmm
I don't think I fit the typical techno image.
Last I recall there wasnt one but. who knows.

[GothamGrooves.com]

hmmm
I don't think I fit the typical techno image.
Last I recall there wasnt one but. who knows.

Thats cause your a beast who rips peepz new arses! :crackup:

[xfive]

hmmm
I don't think I fit the typical techno image.
Last I recall there wasnt one but. who knows.

Thats cause your a beast who rips peepz new arses! :crackup:

With his teeth :crackup:

[The Divide]

hmmm
I don't think I fit the typical techno image.
Last I recall there wasnt one but. who knows.

Thats cause your a beast who rips peepz new arses! :crackup:

With his teeth :crackup:

likes it with a side serving of father beans :neutral: :lol:

[The Overfiend]

uf uf uf uf uf uf uf uf uf
lol