Apprently the German's have ruined techno.

[serox]

Found this amusing to read, agreed with some. you?

Frankie Bones

It can be sad when you realize how far we have evolved from the beginnings of House Music, 20 years ago. It was right now about April 1985 when J.M. Silk's "Music Is The Key" became the first recognized house track outside of Chicago. In New York City it was no big deal. Our Underground scene circa 1985 was ridiculous. We had Hip Hop/Breakdance/Graffitti emerge into a worldwide culture and the underground the came behind that was both the Garage scene and the Electro scene. Brooklyn was always second best to the Manhattan Elite, so DJ Culture in those days was based on the Brooklyn Block Party, a day where
one block in the Neighborhood would remove the cars and dance in the streets.

In those days, Disco Classics were the key to the party. Everything had to be based on memories. Nowadays people have forgotten where these genres come from because lets face it folks, dance music is here and now and disposable.

Larry Levan would turn in his grave if he could see the current rave scene that emerged from Brixton to the distant paradise of Aiya Napa. Not much different then Asbury Park, New Jersey, Aiya Napa is the Ibiza for the thuggish Bloods/Crips types who dance to "Garage" once a paradise of eclectic tastes, now a B-Boy Mic screaming Big Up over Rough house beats that only apply to sheer ignorant types. "Me Have Stick, Me bang pickle barrel, me make beat.......OMG".

And you German's and your Schranz? Do not even get me started. You ruined techno to the point where you cannot even say the word, and change it to Schranz and people think that is really cool, until someone like me blows the top off the roof. Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.

Drum and Bass has always been a pretty cool scene. It still holds weight in the U.K., The States and Canada. And people seem to like it, except it is always a small room off to the side where DJ's play, and the DJ names are the same size on the flyer as the Trance guys, yet the room is 1/10 the size of the main room where Timo Maas will bring his new "Liquid" style that like Liebing is just the original formula tacked with a "Trendy" name.

What about electro? I think Tiga did an excellent job on his "Sunglasses At Night". Outside of that Peaches, Kitten and the rest of them live off the fact that they were on Felix's LP and it is
quite old and stale. Felix and Tommie Sunshine have made a little history with the nu-electro scene, but all you have to do is listem to some 'electroclash' and realize all it is, is a way to keep Larry Tee from drinking. Like the 13th step of an AA meeting...
Yuck.......

What is your feelings torwards music in 2005?

[Si the Sigh]

I will serve your ass up with fries and a shake.

:lol:

[dirty_bass]

Man, that`s hilarious.

[Si the Sigh]

Big up Mr Bones... :cool:

[serox]

Man, that`s hilarious.

oh it gets better.


I am about to change up my program. I took my first European gig in 5 years which will take place in Dusseldorf on June 18th.
What is really great about coming to Germany to play is that I have not been in Germany in 8 years when I played Tresor in 1997. I am confident that I will be playing a set of phuture-retro acid techno that will be so unique to itself that it will be like a breath of fresh air. When you take some obscure records like Luke Slater's Planetary Assault remixes like The Advent's "Bad Boy" mix into DJ Funk's Ghetto Series on UC into "Oakish" by Josh Wink into Si Beggs "Noodles Discotheque" volumes, Null on Force Inc., a few Wavescape joints like Knarz, with a Jack Rabbit Martin and obscure Armando ("Darkside" from 1994 on Radikal Fear), we are talking about a "Fool Proof" set. But when you start doing doubles by flipping the needle upside down while playing the second copy backwards by pulling the tonearm weight back and putting the record on a roll of duct tape, gravity becomes just a word now and acid lines become actual acid trips and your not on drugs. I am a mental patient not unlike "Hannibal" except I do not want blood, I want your undivided attention. And I do not need Ableton, just 2 Technics and a mixer. Once you see what I am doing, you will be able to understand why I sound like a moody prick when it comes to the scene in 2005

[gunjack]

i love it, bones says the germans ruined techno and then praises tiga, go figure.


yea i kinda have a thing with the germans right now too. either its kompakt or shranz and nothing in between....... anyway music in 2005? make your own and get your own.... your own sound, your own crew, your own way of doing things, because the generic shit folks are putting out these days leaves a big gap for us to do something original.....


GJ

[Adverse]

long live frankie bones.

[Heroes]

frankie sounds like the usa people i get matched against on halo 2 on the xbox........

[dan the acid man]

frankie sounds like the usa people i get matched against on halo 2 on the xbox........

haha, i know what you mean from my experiences with online gaming.

i love the way frankie says things, some of it i agree with, some i dont

[OriginalTechnobastard]

[

Frankie Bones

It can be sad when you realize how far we have evolved from the beginnings of House Music, 20 years ago. It was right now about April 1985 when J.M. Silk's "Music Is The Key" became the first recognized house track outside of Chicago. In New York City it was no big deal. Our Underground scene circa 1985 was ridiculous. We had Hip Hop/Breakdance/Graffitti emerge into a worldwide culture and the underground the came behind that was both the Garage scene and the Electro scene. Brooklyn was always second best to the Manhattan Elite, so DJ Culture in those days was based on the Brooklyn Block Party, a day where
one block in the Neighborhood would remove the cars and dance in the streets.

In those days, Disco Classics were the key to the party. Everything had to be based on memories. Nowadays people have forgotten where these genres come from because lets face it folks, dance music is here and now and disposable.

Larry Levan would turn in his grave if he could see the current rave scene that emerged from Brixton to the distant paradise of Aiya Napa. Not much different then Asbury Park, New Jersey, Aiya Napa is the Ibiza for the thuggish Bloods/Crips types who dance to "Garage" once a paradise of eclectic tastes, now a B-Boy Mic screaming Big Up over Rough house beats that only apply to sheer ignorant types. "Me Have Stick, Me bang pickle barrel, me make beat.......OMG".

And you German's and your Schranz? Do not even get me started. You ruined techno to the point where you cannot even say the word, and change it to Schranz and people think that is really cool, until someone like me blows the top off the roof. Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.

Drum and Bass has always been a pretty cool scene. It still holds weight in the U.K., The States and Canada. And people seem to like it, except it is always a small room off to the side where DJ's play, and the DJ names are the same size on the flyer as the Trance guys, yet the room is 1/10 the size of the main room where Timo Maas will bring his new "Liquid" style that like Liebing is just the original formula tacked with a "Trendy" name.

What about electro? I think Tiga did an excellent job on his "Sunglasses At Night". Outside of that Peaches, Kitten and the rest of them live off the fact that they were on Felix's LP and it is
quite old and stale. Felix and Tommie Sunshine have made a little history with the nu-electro scene, but all you have to do is listem to some 'electroclash' and realize all it is, is a way to keep Larry Tee from drinking. Like the 13th step of an AA meeting...
Yuck.......

Yet again an old geezer yapping their mouth about the state of dance music when in reality they don't really have any idea of whats going on. Its never going to be good as their era is it? What the hell was he going on about the Electro scene. Miss Kittin and the hacker released eps way be4 Felix's album. So they in fact influenced that whole scene not Felix. Felix just seen the idea of new wave with chick volcals coming back and was quick to jump on it. He is wrong about miss kittin too. If he looked closely Miss Kittin's album is totally different then the Felix project. I agree with Larry Tee comment though. All that nonsense is heartless money making aimed music. But the real guys coming out of that scene are the real talent. Kiko, David Caretta The hacker. The guys with some real experience behind them who have moved on or made more bangers.

What is your feelings torwards music in 2005? [/quote]

[serox]

wow this topic is big, even a echo in here. :lol:

[dirty_bass]

klang klang klang
sturm und drang

[OriginalTechnobastard]

;) ! Don't know how I did that but must get all the post out before my boss catches me sending them.

[Patrick DSP]

hahaha, that's wicked!

[djlukas]

frankie sounds like the usa people i get matched against on halo 2 on the xbox........


hahahahaha...

you said it all glenn!

Lukas

[Sunil]

Bones likes shooting his mouth off, but I like that, his words carry weight whether you agree or not.
He's the man, and he knows it.

[xfive]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[audioinjection]

looks like schranz house is in the near future :lol:

[viagratek]

im waiting for him to accept my add request on myspace :lol:

[The Overfiend]

Bones is the truth, let it be known, and a super humble good guy too

[SlavikSvensk]

i agree about schranz, but i also think blaming germans for ruining techno is a bit silly, considering how much great stuff has come from there over the years. besides...techno wouldn't exist if it weren't for certain germans...

[serox]

he should be on jerry springer :lol:

[The Overfiend]

i agree about schranz, but i also think blaming germans for ruining techno is a bit silly, considering how much great stuff has come from there over the years. besides...techno wouldn't exist if it weren't for certain germans...

katz and d smith arent they german?
they frickin rule

[Jav]

but i also think blaming germans for ruining techno is a bit silly, considering how much great stuff has come from there over the years. besides...techno wouldn't exist if it weren't for certain germans...

agreed! :clap:

[DJAmok]

"Germans are ruining techno"



That just made my day :mashed: :lol:


Who is this guy and can I book him for standup comedy? I could get him tons of bookings as mc if his live is a funny as his writing :lol:

[The Overfiend]

Ben?
That's Frankie Mofriggin Bones B :shock:

[DJAmok]

I know who he is (probably the only one in Germany who does). Didn't know he was a comedian though. Funny guy. It ain't easy to make me laugh these days, but he pulled it off. :clap:

[DJAmok]

Almost as good as the ubercoolische.com site

almost ;)

[Dave Elyzium]

whether you agree or not with what Franky is sayoing you have to respect that he is challenging what he doesnt believe in and threating to serve up ass burgers on the decks....which is a hell of alot more respectable than just moaning point blank..

also agree with whoever posted - make your own and get your own - quote of the year ;) thats how we all should be playing

[serox]

Dunno why i am posting this, but just seeing what peoples thoughts over are here on what bones says...

Frankie Bones

I know I had a real salty and sarcastic rhetoric when I created this topic. There is now over 200 posts, which I thank everyone who participated. It would be obvious to assume that the scene is very much still alive, because we are all here arguing and resolving the many reasons on why everything is shit, while being in the most creative times in House Music History.......

10 years ago, Records were exclusive to DJ Culture. They are not as important as they used to be. CDR's and CD Decks have become just as important. Mp3's and Downloading has made records and collecting, not as important. Ableton and Final Scratch also have reduced records into a less favored format.

Everyone reading this has recently made a track. Or someone that is a close friend has made some tracks. You heard these peoples demo's, or you played your own. Even the worst demo's can compete with the market. The 'newies' out this week. If you take the time to listen to 100 titles, maybe 5 will be good. It is very time consuming.

As programming music goes, I have evolved into something that I feel is unique and fresh. It is a fusion of styles that is best described as polyrhythmic. Someone else had mentioned that word "Polyrhythmic" and it is what I seem to be heading for in the future. Multi-layered drums over loops. 4/4 beats with breaks and extra percussions with a sub-bass frequency, detuned vocals and lots of EFX.

There are lots of remixes going into my set. "Dominator" (DJ Ghost), "Der Klang Der Familie" (M.I.K.E.) "Plastic Dreams" (2004 mix by Jaydee), "No Way Back" (Advent). They are perfect because the old school heads get to hear a newer update, while the new school people just like what they are hearing. I would say 1/3 of my set is dedicated to these type of tracks, while 1/3 is
New and the rest which I call Re-Currents...ones that were slamming but not heard forever.

I can play like this up against any commercial trance DJ and not lose the dancefloor. Specialist Techno DJ's will not have those same results. But American Dancefloors are not looking for new
sounds, they are looking for familiar sounds from Tiesto's last mix cd.

[audioinjection]

haha, very true

[Patrick DSP]

Dunno why i am posting this, but just seeing what peoples thoughts over are here on what bones says...

Frankie Bones

I know I had a real salty and sarcastic rhetoric when I created this topic. There is now over 200 posts, which I thank everyone who participated. It would be obvious to assume that the scene is very much still alive, because we are all here arguing and resolving the many reasons on why everything is shit, while being in the most creative times in House Music History.......

10 years ago, Records were exclusive to DJ Culture. They are not as important as they used to be. CDR's and CD Decks have become just as important. Mp3's and Downloading has made records and collecting, not as important. Ableton and Final Scratch also have reduced records into a less favored format.

Everyone reading this has recently made a track. Or someone that is a close friend has made some tracks. You heard these peoples demo's, or you played your own. Even the worst demo's can compete with the market. The 'newies' out this week. If you take the time to listen to 100 titles, maybe 5 will be good. It is very time consuming.

As programming music goes, I have evolved into something that I feel is unique and fresh. It is a fusion of styles that is best described as polyrhythmic. Someone else had mentioned that word "Polyrhythmic" and it is what I seem to be heading for in the future. Multi-layered drums over loops. 4/4 beats with breaks and extra percussions with a sub-bass frequency, detuned vocals and lots of EFX.

There are lots of remixes going into my set. "Dominator" (DJ Ghost), "Der Klang Der Familie" (M.I.K.E.) "Plastic Dreams" (2004 mix by Jaydee), "No Way Back" (Advent). They are perfect because the old school heads get to hear a newer update, while the new school people just like what they are hearing. I would say 1/3 of my set is dedicated to these type of tracks, while 1/3 is
New and the rest which I call Re-Currents...ones that were slamming but not heard forever.

I can play like this up against any commercial trance DJ and not lose the dancefloor. Specialist Techno DJ's will not have those same results. But American Dancefloors are not looking for new
sounds, they are looking for familiar sounds from Tiesto's last mix cd.

:clap: better...

But American Dancefloors are not looking for new
sounds, they are looking for familiar sounds from Tiesto's last mix cd.

that's so very very true!!

[orac]

Heh. It's obvious that techno is going forward and for couple of years there will be for sure new genres that we can't even imagine right now. Franky don't have right saying that German is killing techno. Damn, so many good producers are from there and I don't even mean schranz producers here. If he don't like it, that's ok, he can have his own opinion, but there are so many people who love new sounds. Nobody is alfa and omega, people are different and each person likes different music and they will be listen to it, playing it and experimentating (?) with it. Let's not be narrow-minded. Techno is so fuking beatiful in every form.
(sorry for poor english)

[Daire]

frankie sounds like the usa people i get matched against on halo 2 on the xbox........

I actually burst out laughing when I read this, so true. :lol:

Though you gotta respect the man, he sounds pretty sure of himself.

[The Divide]

Quality

Where is this cut and paste from?

[Sunil]

A lot of the reference to German techno i.e. schranz, is what a lot of people are thinking anyway, Bones is just saying what many others are saying too. There's a general frustration out there amongst many producers that this style sells more than other techno.

[DJAmok]

Jealousy among techno producers about sales numbers? How utterly disturbing! Why, the thought alone offends me. :lol:


Well, I guess it remains a fact, that musicians are the biggest drama queens.

[Sunil]

Jealousy among techno producers about sales numbers? How utterly disturbing! Why, the thought alone offends me. :lol:


Well, I guess it remains a fact, that musicians are the biggest drama queens.

Well, maybe if you felt your livelihood or label was at risk or not receiving the respect it deserved, you might be acting the drama queen too ;) It's human nature really.

[alsynthe]

i dont agree with frankie bones views. theres so much talent come out of germany. yea u are gonna get some churned out stuff, and some bad stuff, but u get that from every country not just germany. just because what is being released isnt to his taste he classes it as poor. i dont personally like his tunes and sets as they arent to my taste but i respect him for what he does even if he is very narrow minded to the full spectrum of techno.

take off the blinkers mr bones!!! theres a whole world of techno out there!!

[serox]

bones is just getting sour cos he's nearly 40 and the kids are getting booked more than him :lol: :lol:

can see him in slippers in a months time...

[Sunil]

take off the blinkers mr bones!!! theres a whole world of techno out there!!

I'm sure he's aware of the whole world of techno out there, he just ain't into it.

[alsynthe]

take off the blinkers mr bones!!! theres a whole world of techno out there!!

I'm sure he's aware of the whole world of techno out there, he just ain't into it.

like i said it mite not be to ur taste but u still respect it. negativity in the scene will just bring it down.

[Sunil]

bones is just getting sour cos he's nearly 40 and the kids are getting booked more than him :lol: :lol:

can see him in slippers in a months time...

True. It seems he is a bit bitter alright, one thing that's hindered him in Europe though is his fee, a lot of promoters can't afford him and he doesn't have the profile in Europe to command it anymore regardless of his undoubted stature.

Tell you one thing though, Bones' records are completely rocking it now :clap:

[DJAmok]

Jealousy among techno producers about sales numbers? How utterly disturbing! Why, the thought alone offends me. :lol:


Well, I guess it remains a fact, that musicians are the biggest drama queens.

Well, maybe if you felt your livelihood or label was at risk or not receiving the respect it deserved, you might be acting the drama queen too ;) It's human nature really.

True. But then again, NO ONE in techno gets the respect they deserve. Otherwise the MTV Top 100 wouldn't be so full of crap.


Not saying one shouldn't be concerned about sales numbers. Hell, I mean, everyone's gotta eat... I just don't like it, when people compare sales numbers. Leads to jealousy and other negative emotions, which are not helpful to the music at all.

[eyes without a face]

i dont think Frankies comments are coming from a sales point of view, i think he just genuinely feels that schranz and most of that euro techno stuff is cheapening the scene that he has helped, undoubtedly, to shape....

i agree with nearly all of his points i have to say.... altho i dont have the same personal feelings towards schranz, i really dont care for it enough to get worked up over it even in a negative way...

gotta remember people like Frankie were laying down beats literaly before some of todays up and coming/new producers were even born, and thats the truth, and to see and feel that these kids are doing better than he whilst putting in about half the effort as he may feel he does, well thats gotta grate a bit for him, and he's one of the most outspoken artists around so he's going to have these outbursts...

but yeah where is it from? an interview i gather as much....

[Sunil]

True. But then again, NO ONE in techno gets the respect they deserve. Otherwise the MTV Top 100 wouldn't be so full of crap.


Not saying one shouldn't be concerned about sales numbers. Hell, I mean, everyone's gotta eat... I just don't like it, when people compare sales numbers. Leads to jealousy and other negative emotions, which are not helpful to the music at all.

Negativity isn't good on a whole, but hard words do make some people think and wake up from time to time. I'm not down with people who just slag and have nothing to back it up with, or who make no contribution to the scene... Bones does back his shit up though.

[Dave Elyzium]

what has germany got to do with this though?? surely its the mindset of the producers or DJ's in question that is the problem - not their home country??

[Sunil]

i dont think Frankies comments are coming from a sales point of view, i think he just genuinely feels that schranz and most of that euro techno stuff is cheapening the scene that he has helped, undoubtedly, to shape....

Yeah, his records seem to do fine in Europe. I think he just reckons a lot of stuff sucks...



i agree with nearly all of his points i have to say.... altho i dont have the same personal feelings towards schranz, i really dont care for it enough to get worked up over it even in a negative way...
....

Oh right, I'll quote you on that next time you lay into the new schranztastic 12" posted up in this forum :lol:

[eyes without a face]

its simply because Bones made reference to the mass upsurge of german based schranz over the past 2 years or so... most of the artists are from Germany or reside in German, well certainly the artists im sure Bones has in mind

[fresh_an_funky_design]

[/quote]And I do not need Ableton, just 2 Technics and a mixer





word

[DJ Becka]

Can someone please tell me where this came from? Because I find this to be very funny.....and that's all I'm gonna say about this topic....

Just wanna know if this was an interview in a magazine-or if this was him ranting on discogs again....I really am curious......

Thanks ;)

[crbn]

Discogs. Check the topic name:

"Why has every style evolved into one big pile of shite?"

http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=62856

LOL! He's kind of right though. BTW I have the utmost respect for Mr Bones and all he has done for the scene over the years, but he should be careful slinging mud at Germany's producers as many of his own productions have consisted of sampled loops taken from other people's tracks. As a DJ he has right to complain, as a producer he should shut up and start writing.

[Will]

frankie sounds like the usa people i get matched against on halo 2 on the xbox........

I've heard americans, or amercan kids at least, have been spoiling peoples experiences on Xbox Live, taking the piss out of their accents and stuff, does that sort of thing happen to you then?

[Heroes]

yea they ask me when its tea time, and i tell them to get supersised, its all a load of mud jive shit really, "ill serve ya ass with shake n frie's" you know the way it works, its mainly dopehead 9th grade kids who get there world facts from CNN rather than the history books, but its all good fun

[Will]

Ah right, I remember a mate of mine went to holiday in america and kids were asking him if he knew the queen and if he was having tea with the queen and all that, sounded pretty funny, the way he told it.

[serox]

Discogs. Check the topic name:

"Why has every style evolved into one big pile of shite?"

http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=62856

LOL! He's kind of right though. BTW I have the utmost respect for Mr Bones and all he has done for the scene over the years, but he should be careful slinging mud at Germany's producers as many of his own productions have consisted of sampled loops taken from other people's tracks. As a DJ he has right to complain, as a producer he should shut up and start writing.

didnt know bones takes other peoples samples?

[gunjack]

he should be on jerry springer :lol:

YOU should be on Springer son.

[serox]

he should be on jerry springer :lol:

YOU should be on Springer son.

...?

[gumpy green]

well why dont one of those germans take the challenge and step up to him if what your doing is so good.

i would step up to anybody who dissed me.

[DJ Becka]

Discogs. Check the topic name:

"Why has every style evolved into one big pile of shite?"

http://www.discogs.com/forums/topic?topic_id=62856

LOL! He's kind of right though. BTW I have the utmost respect for Mr Bones and all he has done for the scene over the years, but he should be careful slinging mud at Germany's producers as many of his own productions have consisted of sampled loops taken from other people's tracks. As a DJ he has right to complain, as a producer he should shut up and start writing.

Yea...kinda figured that.....he seems to talk a lot of stuff on discogs. While I can see his point (sort of)-I really think he needs to simmer down a bit....he's starting to sound like a bitter old man....oh and another thing-he sometimes tends to act like he's the ONLY one who is responsible for the US scene-while there are a few others that helped it along with him (not saying any names here)-but at least those people arent still riding on the whole 'Storm Rave' wagon-Frankie seriously needs to move on. Oh, and he needs to stop blatently stealing other people's tracks too-like where's the originality in that? And what right does he have to complain about music being shit now, when his has always been shit? (imho) I'll probably get flack for this comment, but for once, I really dont care....I'll admit that I've never been a fan of his music-if I wanna play the bells-or any other track he's stolen, I'll just play the original. Out of that whole crew, I've always respected Adam and Heather Heart-those 2 at least know when to move on and progress with the music and not bitch about why the music sucks....

Ok....finished my rant now.....now I'm gonna go duck for cover :lol:

[DJ Becka]

[quote=crbn]
didnt know bones takes other peoples samples?

Oh man....bones is the KING of stolen samples.....plastic dreams, the bells, neil landstrumm.....he's even stolen loops from Joe Beltram. Gotta give him credit though.....he has no shame in hiding the fact that he does this-but why are people so stupid to buy his records when they might already have the original? :nono:

[TechMouse]

well why dont one of those germans take the challenge and step up to him if what your doing is so good.

i would step up to anybody who dissed me.
Would you pop a cap in their ass?

[gumpy green]

na, but id step up and battle whoever and put them back in ther place...... no need for guns, if you cant do it with the music then yav lost.

if i lost tho my knife would come out. ;)

[SlavikSvensk]

yea they ask me when its tea time, and i tell them to get supersised, its all a load of mud jive shit really, "ill serve ya ass with shake n frie's" you know the way it works, its mainly dopehead 9th grade kids who get there world facts from CNN rather than the history books, but its all good fun

play splinter cell: chaos theory instead...more gentile scene, better music...none of this my-whole-sense-of-self-worth-derives-from-halo crap.

[SlavikSvensk]

Ah right, I remember a mate of mine went to holiday in america and kids were asking him if he knew the queen and if he was having tea with the queen and all that, sounded pretty funny, the way he told it.

wait...so you are saying you guys DON'T all have tea with the queen? well, i'll be damned...

;)

back to the subject...bones is a funny guy with strong opinions. he says something on modulations like "the only good bpm is 134." but he's also been around the block. tone him down by half and he has a good point.

[waldhaus]

yes, he is right. every techno record from germany is either minimalism intellectual kompakt technopop or 100% distorted dumb schranz. definately agree with his point! techno is ruined, and is dead of course.

[Dave Elyzium]

yes, he is right. every techno record from germany is either minimalism intellectual kompakt technopop or 100% distorted dumb schranz. definately agree with his point! techno is ruined, and is dead of course.

**** sake man
why dont you make some then instead of moaning about it

[Jav]

check out his releases on artillery, crowbar, toolterror, and many more ;)

[The Overfiend]

[quote=crbn]
didnt know bones takes other peoples samples?

Oh man....bones is the KING of stolen samples.....plastic dreams, the bells, neil landstrumm.....he's even stolen loops from Joe Beltram. Gotta give him credit though.....he has no shame in hiding the fact that he does this-but why are people so stupid to buy his records when they might already have the original? :nono:

Oh schnap!
But he is using the hip hop approach. I see your point, but we cant take anything away from dude.
WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF SAMPLE RIPPING.
EVERYTHING WE DO IS A SAMPLE.
Unless we beat box or use the spoons.

[orac]

yes, he is right. every techno record from germany is either minimalism intellectual kompakt technopop or 100% distorted dumb schranz. definately agree with his point! techno is ruined, and is dead of course.

hahahahahahahaha

the fresh breeze of irony :notworthy:

[DJ Becka]

Oh schnap!
But he is using the hip hop approach. I see your point, but we cant take anything away from dude.
WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF SAMPLE RIPPING.
EVERYTHING WE DO IS A SAMPLE.
Unless we beat box or use the spoons.

I didnt mean any disrespect really-I mean, I do give him some credit-SOME-but honestly-Bones acts like he's doing something new and inovative-when all he is really doing is stealing-oh wait, excuse me-borrowing from other people! If you wanna sample something, change it around a bit-make it your own.....dont blatently take the main hook from the bells and not even run it thru some filters or anything-then proceed to use that loop for the entire track! Again, if I wanna play the bells-I'll play the original-because it basically is the same thing-and it's better ;)

I know lots of people sample in the techno world-but I think most of the sampled stuff I've heard was at least changed around a little bit to give it a fresh breath of life.....

As for the whole hiphop approach-I dont know too much about it with regards to his career-except for maybe that one hiphouse track he did with Tommy Musto 'Dangerous on The Dancefloor'-and I have serious doubts about how legit that track is (ie-was it stolen from someone else :hmm:)....I dont care anyway-again, never was a huge fan of Bones-although I will say this-the man is a walking encyclopedia of electronic music-I can remember going into Groove and having him drop some knowledge on me....but regardless-always had much more respect for Heather and Adam ;)

[dirty_bass]

[quote=crbn]
didnt know bones takes other peoples samples?

Oh man....bones is the KING of stolen samples.....plastic dreams, the bells, neil landstrumm.....he's even stolen loops from Joe Beltram. Gotta give him credit though.....he has no shame in hiding the fact that he does this-but why are people so stupid to buy his records when they might already have the original? :nono:

Oh schnap!
But he is using the hip hop approach. I see your point, but we cant take anything away from dude.
WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF SAMPLE RIPPING.
EVERYTHING WE DO IS A SAMPLE.
Unless we beat box or use the spoons.

Erm, dude, not everyone uses samples.

[eyes without a face]

Sunil, quote away... after hearing the sad story that was Tool Terror 1 i decided im not gonna get involved in these schranz debates anymore... it really is crap

this thread is hilarious :lol:

[SlavikSvensk]

I can remember going into Groove and having him drop some knowledge on me....

sonic groove...r.i.p.

[Mindful]

this thread is hilarious :lol:

agreed

[The Divide]

Sunil, quote away... after hearing the sad story that was Tool Terror 1 i decided im not gonna get involved in these schranz debates anymore... it really is crap

this thread is hilarious :lol:

Ey leave the tool terror alone or ill get my tool of terror out

:doh: :crackup:

[eyes without a face]

u are a tool Fernie haha

[Ritzi Lee]

Oh my god what a typical USA ego. :lol:

Well Mr. Bones still owns Timeline management Berlin some money.
Where did you get this message from??

[Ritzi Lee]

By the way don't understand me wrong.
The USA guys on this forum are cool.
But i'm just talking about some USA DJ's who just want to live with this kind of image like: "yeah i'm the big bad Mofo!"

[SlavikSvensk]

By the way don't understand me wrong.
The USA guys on this forum are cool.
But i'm just talking about some USA DJ's who just want to live with this kind of image like: "yeah i'm the big bad Mofo!"

i appreciate the disclaimer! yeah, you are right about some US djs, but i also think that applies to a lot of big-name or old-school djs in general.

i love the classics, but i hate the sense of entitlement...

[Sunil]

Sunil, quote away... after hearing the sad story that was Tool Terror 1 i decided im not gonna get involved in these schranz debates anymore... it really is crap

this thread is hilarious :lol:

I was only pulling your leg. But really, I think Bones is just voicing his opinion a bit on schranz the same way you or someone else might.. don't think anyone's losing any sleep over it though.

[Sunil]

Once again.. quote of the week:


Frankie Bones

Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.


:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[SlavikSvensk]

Once again.. quote of the week:


Frankie Bones

Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.


:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

fries and shakes have ruined techno!

[DJ Becka]

Once again.. quote of the week:


Frankie Bones

Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.


:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:

fries and shakes have ruined techno!

No, fries and shakes have ruined america

http://picture.funnyjunk.com/pics/euro_vs_america.jpg

:lol:

[The Germ]

i got no love for german hard techno anymore love the older stuff but now a days all sounds the same and i think there is nowhere for it to go sound wise. Bones is okay i like some of his stuff but always was never that great to buy..

[RDR]

[quote=crbn]
didnt know bones takes other peoples samples?

Oh man....bones is the KING of stolen samples.....plastic dreams, the bells, neil landstrumm.....he's even stolen loops from Joe Beltram. Gotta give him credit though.....he has no shame in hiding the fact that he does this-but why are people so stupid to buy his records when they might already have the original? :nono:

Oh schnap!
But he is using the hip hop approach. I see your point, but we cant take anything away from dude.
WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF SAMPLE RIPPING.
EVERYTHING WE DO IS A SAMPLE.
Unless we beat box or use the spoons.

Erm, dude, not everyone uses samples.


Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.

The argument about using samples annoys me. whats the point in any producer claiming that they "dont use samples" it's patently nonsense and serves no purpose other than to attempt to elevate them to this godlike status where they are better than everyone else because they "Dont use samples..."

This wasnt aimed at you DB by any means, and im pretty sure you know what im talking about anyway.

As for Frankie Bones - i couldnt really give a monkey's golden balls what he says, if he wants people to have respect for what he says and does, giving half-arsed statements about other forms of his own music serves no other purpose than to irritate people and get himself free publicity. In my mind it isnt a constructive conversation, and isnt even reality.

Bet your bottom dollar that presented with a "Schranze" tune in a club that rocked, he'd be catching the vibe along with everyone else there having a good time. Producers make music for people to enjoy - if they enjoy it then in my book its worthwhile, and yes i do believe that applys to EVERY genre of music going. Yes its an awkward truth, yes it'll get me slated, but i dont care. Purist nonsense revolts me. the true path is through open mindedness, an immutable fact - otherwise we would never have techno.

:protest:

[gumpy green]

maybe hes heard shranz slippy or one of the other wakasfuk shite pieces of non-techno.,

i still go back to my previous point........why dont someone step up to him??

lets see if he could serve them with fries.

[killarava2day]

http://picture.funnyjunk.com/pics/euro_vs_america.jpg

:lol:

Gota love walking past and noteing a G like that...even on a big chick, I don't mind :shock:

[TechMouse]

yes, he is right. every techno record from germany is either minimalism intellectual kompakt technopop or 100% distorted dumb schranz. definately agree with his point! techno is ruined, and is dead of course.

**** sake man
why dont you make some then instead of moaning about it

Oh, for an "irony" emoticon.

[koma]

Once again.. quote of the week:


Frankie Bones

Who wants to battle. I will serve your ass up with Fries and a Shake.


:lol: :clap: :clap: :clap:


I like this one even more:

Frankie Bones


Who is moaning anyway. I have finally reached a point in my career where I am finally nailing two girls at once

btw of course Germans ruined techno. Kraftwerk actually came from Bulgaria.

and what about Heiko Laux, Kowalski etc.? this is the same situation as when some european djs/producers say for american sound its boring and obsolete.

its just the fact that we have to be more openminded and have a wider picture before giving statements like that. its in the benefit of this whole movement.

[crbn]

Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.

Oh come on, thats ridiculous. Are you trying to say that using a sample of a 909 kick is the same as nicking the main riff from well known tracks and using it as the basis of your own track? All use of samples is not the same, theres samples and samples. I really hope you weren't serious when you typed this.

[dirty_bass]

Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.

Oh come on, thats ridiculous. Are you trying to say that using a sample of a 909 kick is the same as nicking the main riff from well known tracks and using it as the basis of your own track? All use of samples is not the same, theres samples and samples. I really hope you weren't serious when you typed this.

Well, if we want to get picky. I generate my kicks using a kick generator.
Usually a thing called MetalBD, or Microtonic.
Essentially you fiddle with the way the sinewave is treated, and then there`s a noise generator, I won`t go into that.

As for other samples. Yeah, I do use them, in a more and more limited capacity these days.

But the point is, you can use samples creatively, and mould them to your own sound.

Wholesales ripping of other peoples loops and phrases, can`t be compared in any way.


Compare it to another art.
A writer can take the individual words, or theme of another text, and totally rearrange it, to form a new body of work. And no one will know.

However if entire phrases, sentences or paragraphs are stolen from another writer and used.
This would be called. Plagiarism.

Why is it acceptable in music?

[Adverse]

a lessssssssonnnnnn in futility. :)

[TechMouse]

Why is it acceptable in music?
Ask DJ Shadow.

It's like collage / composite, I guess.

I suppose the literary equivalent would be using quotations, but it's not really the same thing, is it?

[detfella]

A good composer does not imitate; he steals

[SlavikSvensk]

its just the fact that we have to be more openminded and have a wider picture before giving statements like that. its in the benefit of this whole movement.

stvarno! :clap: :clap:

[tioneb]

I think bones cirtisizes the attitude behing the schranz phenomennon, not the music. I think he s true old-schooler that moans about the newbies making the same thing than some years back and renaming it, as if this music were their property.

About Bones music, this is pure sampling i agree with Becka. And YES sampling a chole phrase is not the same as using a 909 sample.....

Everybody uses electric guitar in rock and roll, so basically the sounds used are the same. though its not stealing music. Then if you use a whole phrase or meldoy , same chords arranged and sequenced in the same way, this is stealing music....

[tocsin]

Some people rest on their laurels too much. I found that thread bullshit from the day it started. Discogs is a
different forum. You have a bunch of vocal users who just whine about how everything "sucks" and how people who
think otherwise are "stupid." It's a total **** hype. Bones will run his mouth about his past but, in the end, it
amounts to about 99% shit talking which a number of people will humor because it's "Frankie Bones." Big whoop?
Bullshit is bullshit no matter who says it. And that thread was one giant compost heap.

[dirty_bass]

In a way, I have to agree with you there.
Personally I have no like of any of the music Bones has done, and don`t really respect the way he makes his music either.
So I don`t really take much notice of his words.
Although sometimes he is pretty funny, in a very blunt way.

[RDR]

Not to sound picky here DB, but how far do you really wanna take that comment? What about that 909 kick you used last time? Which japanese engineer created that......? and that sample set of a real drum kit you used last time...? etc etc ad nauseum.

Oh come on, thats ridiculous. Are you trying to say that using a sample of a 909 kick is the same as nicking the main riff from well known tracks and using it as the basis of your own track? All use of samples is not the same, theres samples and samples. I really hope you weren't serious when you typed this.

Well, if we want to get picky. I generate my kicks using a kick generator.
Usually a thing called MetalBD, or Microtonic.
Essentially you fiddle with the way the sinewave is treated, and then there`s a noise generator, I won`t go into that.

As for other samples. Yeah, I do use them, in a more and more limited capacity these days.

But the point is, you can use samples creatively, and mould them to your own sound.

Wholesales ripping of other peoples loops and phrases, can`t be compared in any way.


Compare it to another art.
A writer can take the individual words, or theme of another text, and totally rearrange it, to form a new body of work. And no one will know.

However if entire phrases, sentences or paragraphs are stolen from another writer and used.
This would be called. Plagiarism.

Why is it acceptable in music?

You did say DB that there are people who dont use samples, although you didnt say you meant you, it was alluded too. I wasnt ebing v serious BTW (as usual... ;) :lol: )

Its just that statement gets me hot under the collar, because 99 times out of 100 it just isnt true when producers issue that statement.

@CRBN of course NOT serious :roll: i DO know the difference between that and ripping loops (this is what i call it, not sampling... ill call a spade a spade when i need to son)

There is plenty of room for manouvere to lift samples provided its done tastefully and with the proper artistic respect to the original artists/s. Also id like to remind everyone that artists can make money from having their work sampled and replayed back - but onyl if the sampler has the BALLS to conatct them and say "Hi, im using this sample and you legally deserve a cut" Thats the major issue right there, cept noone metions it properly, its called theft. If we all did it, then who would complain about samples being used?

[viagratek]

http://picture.funnyjunk.com/pics/euro_vs_america.jpg





damn id tap that shit!!!

the one on the left i mean :lol:

[audioinjection]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[xfive]

damn id tap that shit!!!

the one on the left i mean :lol:

We all know you're dislexic vidal....

[audioinjection]

lol

vidal taps anything

[The Overfiend]

:lol: Damn V. You're rep is well known lol

[g]

that, or it's the primary subject of anything he says. ;)

[massplanck]

I thought we had settled this arguement once and for all.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-2/956221/Venn.jpg

[viagratek]

lol

vidal taps anything

i would not tap rosanne bar :shock:

[viagratek]

i dont think i would tap shranz either :lol: (getting back on subject)

[Joseph Isaac]

But i'm just talking about some USA DJ's who just want to live with this kind of image like: "yeah i'm the big bad Mofo!"

This is very much local to his area too...NYC, specifically Brooklyn. Not that I'm knocking NYC or any of the burroughs, but, in the US, depending on what coast you are on, attitudes are VERY different. East Coast, more aggressive and rude, West Coast, more laid back and chill, and Third Coast, well, its the Dirty South, you'll have to experience is for yourself.

[SlavikSvensk]

i dont think i would tap shranz either :lol: (getting back on subject)

not even cannibal schranz?

[The Overfiend]

But i'm just talking about some USA DJ's who just want to live with this kind of image like: "yeah i'm the big bad Mofo!"

This is very much local to his area too...NYC, specifically Brooklyn. Not that I'm knocking NYC or any of the burroughs, but, in the US, depending on what coast you are on, attitudes are VERY different. East Coast, more aggressive and rude, West Coast, more laid back and chill, and Third Coast, well, its the Dirty South, you'll have to experience is for yourself.

What you trying to say motherf*cker! :lol: ;)

[Ritzi Lee]

In the Quantum Mechanical world, the idea that we can measure things exactly breaks down. Let me state this notion more precisely. Suppose a particle has momemtum p and a position x. In a Quantum Mechanical world, I would not be able to measure p and x precisely. There is an uncertainty associated with each measurement, e.g., there is some dp and dx, which I can never get rid of even in a perfect experiment!!!. This is due to the fact that whenever I make a measurement, I must disturb the system. (In order for me to know something is there, I must bump into it.) The size of the uncertainties are not independent, they are related by

dp x dx > h / (2 x pi) = Planck's constant / ( 2 x pi )

The preceding is a statement of The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. So, for example, if I measure x exactly, the uncertainty in p, dp, must be infinite in order to keep the product constant.

[SlavikSvensk]

don't forget that d=n/n+1

[Joseph Isaac]

But i'm just talking about some USA DJ's who just want to live with this kind of image like: "yeah i'm the big bad Mofo!"

This is very much local to his area too...NYC, specifically Brooklyn. Not that I'm knocking NYC or any of the burroughs, but, in the US, depending on what coast you are on, attitudes are VERY different. East Coast, more aggressive and rude, West Coast, more laid back and chill, and Third Coast, well, its the Dirty South, you'll have to experience is for yourself.

What you trying to say motherf*cker! :lol: ;)



LOL! :clap:

[DJ Becka]

But i'm just talking about some USA DJ's who just want to live with this kind of image like: "yeah i'm the big bad Mofo!"

This is very much local to his area too...NYC, specifically Brooklyn. Not that I'm knocking NYC or any of the burroughs, but, in the US, depending on what coast you are on, attitudes are VERY different. East Coast, more aggressive and rude, West Coast, more laid back and chill, and Third Coast, well, its the Dirty South, you'll have to experience is for yourself.

What you trying to say motherf*cker! :lol: ;)

Yea.....whatcha tryin to say.....You better recognize, beyotch!!! :rambo: :lol:

[massplanck]

In the Quantum Mechanical world, the idea that we can measure things exactly breaks down. Let me state this notion more precisely. Suppose a particle has momemtum p and a position x. In a Quantum Mechanical world, I would not be able to measure p and x precisely. There is an uncertainty associated with each measurement, e.g., there is some dp and dx, which I can never get rid of even in a perfect experiment!!!. This is due to the fact that whenever I make a measurement, I must disturb the system. (In order for me to know something is there, I must bump into it.) The size of the uncertainties are not independent, they are related by

dp x dx > h / (2 x pi) = Planck's constant / ( 2 x pi )

The preceding is a statement of The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. So, for example, if I measure x exactly, the uncertainty in p, dp, must be infinite in order to keep the product constant.



:clap:

My time Machine is almost ready. No need to worry about the future no more. I'm gonna transport us all back to 1992.

[SlavikSvensk]

My time Machine is almost ready. No need to worry about the future no more. I'm gonna transport us all back to 1992.

ooh...can we go even farther back?

...i'd like to start trax records but actually pay the artists...

[Ritzi Lee]

don't forget that d=n/n+1

Oh sorry i forgot to tell that dp is a differential.
d is not a variable. It is the difference / delta sign.
dp is the difference p(x+t) - p(x), where the limit t --> 0. :)

[Ritzi Lee]

:clap:

My time Machine is almost ready. No need to worry about the future no more. I'm gonna transport us all back to 1992.

;)

I'd like to know in the future which method you used to determine the right lightcone to predict the geodesics in our space-time causality. :cool:

[djshiva]

bah.

that's my general reply to frankie's rants.

[SlavikSvensk]

don't forget that d=n/n+1

Oh sorry i forgot to tell that dp is a differential.
d is not a variable. It is the difference / delta sign.
dp is the difference p(x+t) - p(x), where the limit t --> 0. :)

haha...yeah, well, shows how long it's been since i did calculus!

[rotten]

indeed with the name of the thread. though the schranz cunts gets less it's still a big scene here. anyway it's a horrible music BUT not every feckin german is a prick just for beeing a german! do you guys know the story behind schranz???!! :nono: youngman(now german!), landstrumm, hawkins(german as well now!) all that works good here. but what's about sebastian kramer??? he seems to be loved in the dark/exp forum so what???

[TripleX]

not every feckin german is a prick just for beeing a german!

:lol:

[rotten]

unterstützung, trippleX !!! :rambo: :lol:

[GothamGrooves.com]

He makes some valid and friggan hilarious points! But the problem atleast with our scene is that Our Govt, especialy our former mayor, enacted many laws thats crippled our rave scene severly.. I dont hate Schranz per se.. I dont like a whole set of it but mixed in with a hard techno set I think it can work perfectly. I think it takes over where hardcore left off...
As far as frankies comments on miss kitten and such having a name for only being on Felix's label.. HAHAHAH thats brillaint!! :clap: