tocsin
20-05-2005, 03:47 AM
I'm not meaning any disrespect by possibly continuing this, but, there's just a few things I'd like to respond to.
To me, it just doesn't matter where you come from. Just make the tunes, make them **** bang until the ceiling falls down. Most of all just do it well. That's all that really matters.
****in-eh right. "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at."
Unfortunatley it is.. How often do you guys get booked!?
I think you should be playing out every weekend!!!! How much better do you need to be???!!!! I think you can ROck a stadium of People with a live PA is you got the chance to do it. But do the EURODORKS LET YOU? NO, They Bring over DJs that Nobody ever heard of to showcase the Latest GALLOPING HORSE BEAT
While I definitely appreciate the show of support, I think your conclusion is a bit misguided. Sure, it's quite possible (if not an absolute truth) that the NYC techno scene would never want to book us for a live PA. However, at the same time, none of us have ever sent anyone involved in the NYC "techno" scene a demo of our live PA, not do any of us really hit up those parties. Truth be told, I cannot be 100% confident that it couldn't happen because none of us have ever tried. Granted, I don't think most NYC techno promoters would be interested in a live PA of 200+ bpm distorted techno. But, I also happen to know a fair amount of people who absolutely love the slower hard techno and like what we do at the same time. So, in the end, different acts not playing at particular sound geared events could largely be a side effect of a splintering in the music scene that has been progressing worse and worse for the past 10 years. While I'd definitely argue that it had a lot to do with snoberry and elitism long ago, for the newer heads involved now it could just be a matter of exposure which means I will reserve my judgement. There was also a time in NYC where the only place I could expect to get a booking playing acid techno was at a Renegade Virus party. In the past year, I've been to a number of parties in NYC where I've seen a lot of new faces into the same thing mixed amongst other sounds. So, I think the problem at this point is more to do with exposure than any fakers with egos and selfish tendencies. Not that such people don't exist. But, they don't seem to have the same pull anymore.
quote="Becka"]Why dont you go promote and spin hiphop if you love it so much.....this is a board that supports techno....take your bs somewhere else.... [/quote]
And this is where I'll disagree with you. Hip-hop has had a much greater influence on what I've written than most "techno" acts. That is naturally a result of the fact that it was in my backyard. Just because this is a "techno" board doesn't mean that something has to fit a predetermined ideal of what constitutes "techno." Despite how others may want to label it (gabber, hardcore, speedcore, terrocore, industrial, or any other label records I've worked on have been labeled as), what I write and enjoy is "techno" that happens to have a good amount of influence from hip-hop both in the sound and culture. It's just my own personal take on it. NYC has a huge hip-hop culture. To alienate them, in my own opinion, is short-sighted if you're from the area. It's all techno in the end. (Yes, I consider hip-hop "techno" since it's predominantly composes with musical instruments that came about through advancements in technology).
Tocsin, I actually dont limit myself to only Techno, I love Metal, Funk, and Jazz as well...
Don't get me wrong. I wasn't implying that you were limited to any particular sound. I already know, from a few brief discussions, or chit-chat on various lists, that you are not. What I was asking was if you've ever encountered the "hip-hop has no place in techno" or vice versa arguments in either perspective scenes. I have as both and they all strike me as being 100% ignorant. Meanwhile, the people who I get down with appreciate all of it, incorporate all of it, and don't front about shit as silly as a region or a style being all encompasing of something that's pure. Personally, I hate the idea of "pure" techno. What got me into techno was that it, in my own opinion, was the bastard child of so many different musical and instrumental developments that those who made it were free to do whatever they wanted. I absolutely hate it when people try and pretend there are some rules involved based on their own subjective tastes that are usually scene related rather than music related.
Techno is universal and a revolution because it can do whatever the **** it wants and turn heads while still sounding good. Anyone that tries to put an obstacle in front of that, in my opinion, never got it in the first place.
To me, it just doesn't matter where you come from. Just make the tunes, make them **** bang until the ceiling falls down. Most of all just do it well. That's all that really matters.
****in-eh right. "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at."
Unfortunatley it is.. How often do you guys get booked!?
I think you should be playing out every weekend!!!! How much better do you need to be???!!!! I think you can ROck a stadium of People with a live PA is you got the chance to do it. But do the EURODORKS LET YOU? NO, They Bring over DJs that Nobody ever heard of to showcase the Latest GALLOPING HORSE BEAT
While I definitely appreciate the show of support, I think your conclusion is a bit misguided. Sure, it's quite possible (if not an absolute truth) that the NYC techno scene would never want to book us for a live PA. However, at the same time, none of us have ever sent anyone involved in the NYC "techno" scene a demo of our live PA, not do any of us really hit up those parties. Truth be told, I cannot be 100% confident that it couldn't happen because none of us have ever tried. Granted, I don't think most NYC techno promoters would be interested in a live PA of 200+ bpm distorted techno. But, I also happen to know a fair amount of people who absolutely love the slower hard techno and like what we do at the same time. So, in the end, different acts not playing at particular sound geared events could largely be a side effect of a splintering in the music scene that has been progressing worse and worse for the past 10 years. While I'd definitely argue that it had a lot to do with snoberry and elitism long ago, for the newer heads involved now it could just be a matter of exposure which means I will reserve my judgement. There was also a time in NYC where the only place I could expect to get a booking playing acid techno was at a Renegade Virus party. In the past year, I've been to a number of parties in NYC where I've seen a lot of new faces into the same thing mixed amongst other sounds. So, I think the problem at this point is more to do with exposure than any fakers with egos and selfish tendencies. Not that such people don't exist. But, they don't seem to have the same pull anymore.
quote="Becka"]Why dont you go promote and spin hiphop if you love it so much.....this is a board that supports techno....take your bs somewhere else.... [/quote]
And this is where I'll disagree with you. Hip-hop has had a much greater influence on what I've written than most "techno" acts. That is naturally a result of the fact that it was in my backyard. Just because this is a "techno" board doesn't mean that something has to fit a predetermined ideal of what constitutes "techno." Despite how others may want to label it (gabber, hardcore, speedcore, terrocore, industrial, or any other label records I've worked on have been labeled as), what I write and enjoy is "techno" that happens to have a good amount of influence from hip-hop both in the sound and culture. It's just my own personal take on it. NYC has a huge hip-hop culture. To alienate them, in my own opinion, is short-sighted if you're from the area. It's all techno in the end. (Yes, I consider hip-hop "techno" since it's predominantly composes with musical instruments that came about through advancements in technology).
Tocsin, I actually dont limit myself to only Techno, I love Metal, Funk, and Jazz as well...
Don't get me wrong. I wasn't implying that you were limited to any particular sound. I already know, from a few brief discussions, or chit-chat on various lists, that you are not. What I was asking was if you've ever encountered the "hip-hop has no place in techno" or vice versa arguments in either perspective scenes. I have as both and they all strike me as being 100% ignorant. Meanwhile, the people who I get down with appreciate all of it, incorporate all of it, and don't front about shit as silly as a region or a style being all encompasing of something that's pure. Personally, I hate the idea of "pure" techno. What got me into techno was that it, in my own opinion, was the bastard child of so many different musical and instrumental developments that those who made it were free to do whatever they wanted. I absolutely hate it when people try and pretend there are some rules involved based on their own subjective tastes that are usually scene related rather than music related.
Techno is universal and a revolution because it can do whatever the **** it wants and turn heads while still sounding good. Anyone that tries to put an obstacle in front of that, in my opinion, never got it in the first place.