how not to rip a loop, ohh and have the cheek to release it

[Heroes]

dj k-hole, iam trying to imagine whats in ya head.....

its bad enough making this tripe but releasing it also wow, if this is the shape of things to come iam seriously worried, i dont know whats worse the minset that makes it or the distributor that says yes.....


dj k-hole - i do love to tease you

http://www.gm-multimedia.com/audio/i_do_love_to_tease_you.mp3

[eyes without a face]

thats pretty shocking

[rowland the bastard]

dj k-hole? is that a real artist? :shock:

[conflict]

sounds good where can i order it from

[g]

you can't mess with the Exciter that way. lame.

[dan the acid man]

jeez, :shock: why am i consantly surprised at the lack of conscience some people seem to have

[rowland the bastard]

is this a blatent rip off? should i turn my desk on and listen to it?

[eyes without a face]

its pretty scary stuff, in terms of blatent rip off and actual production

[gary_human]

thats about as blatant as that tonal path rip off out a few years ago aswell - who on earth is releasing that? they never cleared the samples then ? :nono:

[eyes without a face]

yeah its certainly pretty blatent, reminded me of the "tonal path" rip too, that was a naughty one

its sampling to its most basic point i think, i dont know how people dont see the moral issues involved when doing something like this

[Stella Boy]

I need a shower after hearing that :shock:

[DJ Becka]

Can I ask why anyone would want to call themselves 'dj k-hole'?

The name just says it all.......

[DJ Becka]

I WANT MY 5 MINUTES BACK!!!!!! :doh:

[dan the acid man]

dj A hole more like :doh: :oops:

[The Overfiend]

Not to sound all too American, but there's no cease and desist order you can do?

[rowland the bastard]

Can I ask why anyone would want to call themselves 'dj k-hole'?

The name just says it all.......

thats exactly what i was asking myself, why would anyone want to call themselves after a side effect off a drug that is virtually smack

[rowland the bastard]

Can I ask why anyone would want to call themselves 'dj k-hole'?

The name just says it all.......

thats exactly what i was asking myself, why would anyone want to call themselves after a side effect off a drug that is virtually smack

[robin m]

Jesus wept...

:neutral:

[ds2]

dj k-hole? is that a real artist? :shock:

says rowland the bastard :shock: :lol:



i take it this is something someone's sent you for your labels?

could it not be just some young guy very new to music production who's a massive fan of punish and wanted to impress you?

[rowland the bastard]

no darkside if you pay attention you'll se that i didnt start this thread, i do belive one of the owners punish started it :shock:

[The Overfiend]

OW OW OWNEDDDDDDD :clap:

[rowland the bastard]

OW OW OWNEDDDDDDD :clap:

he does or did though didnt he?

[andy james]

I WANT MY 5 MINUTES BACK!!!!!! :doh:

x2 :evil:

[rowland the bastard]

am i being totally thick as per usual? what do you mean by i want my 5 minutes back? :eh:

[dan the acid man]

am i being totally thick as per usual? what do you mean by i want my 5 minutes back? :eh:

5 minutes wasting their lives by listening to this so called tune

[conflict]

excuse me but didnt the anxious sample one of your tunes?

the name of it escapes me at present, but i know for a fact they did

[dan the acid man]

excuse me but didnt the anxious sample one of your tunes?

the name of it escapes me at present, but i know for a fact they did

theres a difference btween asking if you can, and the using it constructively, and just thieving it and not doing much with it

[fatcollective]

what a load of bollox.....some people have no respect at all, this is a blatent rip of a very popular track........i dont know :doh:

[The Overfiend]

OW OW OWNEDDDDDDD :clap:

he does or did though didnt he?

Actually Glenn Still owns it, owned is geek hacker terminology for booyah!
Cause I was agreeing with your post. :doh:

[robin m]

Actually Glenn Still owns it, owned is geek hacker terminology for booyah!


Like so.

http://www.omgpwned.net/pics/owned/tankguy.jpg

Got to keep up with the kids Rowland! ;)

[Komplex]

I want my 1 minute back, didn't even bother listening from start to finnish. I take it its just the vocal? or is it the drum loop too? Hope the original it was ripped from is much better.

Oh well, Karma will get him back...

[Daire]

Im confused, correct me if I wrong, but didn't Glenn clear the sample from some porn site? Therefore the rights to the vocals actually belong to the owners of the site, meaning he ripped off the site, not Glenn?

Don't get me wrong, the track is atrocious, but everyone seem's to be overlooking this fact!?

Dáire

[The Overfiend]

Im confused, correct me if I wrong, but didn't Glenn clear the sample from some porn site? Therefore the rights to the vocals actually belong to the owners of the site, meaning he ripped off the site, not Glenn?

Don't get me wrong, the track is atrocious, but everyone seem's to be overlooking this fact!?

Dáire

slap
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1185000/images/_1188584_slap300ap.jpg

[Heroes]

i dont have a problem with people sampling stuff really, if its to a point that what they do with it is in a positive manner, hence this thread

"how not to rip a loop"

if it was took and laid over some fat beats with some crazy f*****d up filter madness with some banging percussion and mad edits then the thread would read.

"oooow yea pump my frosset pouch with a rampant rabbit and call me sally, this is how to rip a loop"

[MARKEG]

hold on...

this track is one loop and one vocal and ahhemm a really badly EQ'd ride cymbal. the vocal wouldn't be an issue if it hadn't been such a big club hit, anyway... it's too blatent.. this is the problem with computers, cracks and no sense of creativity.

BTW NO WE DIDNT BLATENTLY SAMPLE GLENN. We did a remix on Hereos, so obviously had his samples!!! And if anything WAS sounding similar it might have had something to do with the fact us and glenn shared loops at that time. This was before a time that most ppl used loops!!! Right now, we don't use a loop without serious miss mashing it into our sound. Please don't tar us with the K-Hole brush!!!!

This track is so bad for techno. Producers out there need to realise you need to think about things more. Distributors need to wise up to this. I really hope this happens.

[conflict]

i thought a tune you released on compound was sampled of a planet rhythm tune?

i maybe wrong

[dirty_bass]

Man, that main loop hasn`t even been looped and cut properly.
Regardless of whether it is blatant or not, it`s just really badly done.
Badly composed, badly produced, overall it`s just total shite.

[ds2]

no darkside if you pay attention you'll se that i didnt start this thread, i do belive one of the owners punish started it :shock:

sorry, if i could edit my post i would...
this is the only forum i've ever come across that doesn't allow you to
edit posts.

my first point was aimed at you, the 2nd at heroes.

[MARKEG]

1st forum??

MAAATE!!!

there's others.

(but they're the good ones hehehehehe)

Editing means that if you've been a cunt you can make yourself look wicked. Sorry but that's not the way life is, in reality is it. I hate this whole behind a computer/faceless thing. If you're gonna say something, say it. But don't go back on yourself 6 months later (which i see in nearly all forums i visit).

I really understand ppl have a genuine need to edit spellings and stuff, but there's no way i can diffrentiate the two things, so I have to keep the edit button off.

Perhaps this is what makes this forum so genuine. Anyway, sorry you havent got an edit button. Just click the preview button before you post, read it through and make sure it's totally what you want to say ;)

[MARKEG]

i thought a tune you released on compound was sampled of a planet rhythm tune?

i maybe wrong

WHAAAAAT?

oh grow up. this is ridiculous.. what is this have a go at mark and chrissi day or something?? we've never blatently sampled anything full stop!!! we change whatever we sample to make it unrecognisable and our own and i ask anyone to post up examples before flying off on the old accusation tip.

:evil:

[GothamGrooves.com]

Taking a snipit and doing some crazy shit with it is great, but being blatant sux! I really didnt like that track at all either.. and as doofy as his name is I give the guy credit he is getting his name out there as we are already 3 pages into this thread...

[eyes without a face]

i thought a tune you released on compound was sampled of a planet rhythm tune?

i maybe wrong

WHAAAAAT?

oh grow up. this is ridiculous.. what is this have a go at mark and chrissi day or something?? we've never blatently sampled anything full stop!!! we change whatever we sample to make it unrecognisable and our own and i ask anyone to post up examples before flying off on the old accusation tip.

:evil:

i was going to say something about this but didnt want to be accused of being pedantic, when for once, i wouldnt be

i love the way these accusations are never backed up too, its great

[lau]

We'd better watch Mark he's been editting his post ;)

[Mindful]

We'd better watch Mark he's been editting his post ;)

:lol:

[Mindful]

What a shite track by the way.
Are you telling me that shites been released :shock:
Think the ride was his at least :lol:

[FUSION]

Last edited by MARK EG on Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:03 am; edited 1 time in total

:lol:

[Ritzi Lee]

ok this one took me 10 seconds..

i think you should send him a couple of butchers glenn.

[tekara]

i havent actually heard the original from punish records...

which loop does this guy rip? The "I do love to tease you"? Or the actual drumloop?


How similar were the two releases? Sorry for my ignorance but i dont have a basis of comparison if i have not heard the original mix.

[networker]

[quote="Heroes"]i dont have a problem with people sampling stuff really, if its to a point that what they do with it is in a positive manner

too true bro!! :clap:

[jonnyspeed]

dj k-hole, iam trying to imagine whats in ya head.....

its bad enough making this tripe but releasing it also wow, if this is the shape of things to come iam seriously worried, i dont know whats worse the minset that makes it or the distributor that says yes.....


dj k-hole - i do love to tease you

http://www.gm-multimedia.com/audio/i_do_love_to_tease_you.mp3

oh the irony! shut up your noise and come back when you've got some originality.

[Adverse]

i thought a tune you released on compound was sampled of a planet rhythm tune?

i maybe wrong

WHAAAAAT?

oh grow up. this is ridiculous.. what is this have a go at mark and chrissi day or something?? we've never blatently sampled anything full stop!!! we change whatever we sample to make it unrecognisable and our own and i ask anyone to post up examples before flying off on the old accusation tip.

:evil: i don't think i have the record in question in my box.. the same loop is defintely used which is very much possible through sample cd's and resources what have you... but i don't believe it was anything of a conscious decision... if anyone knows anything about mark.. he has respect and integrity for all. anyways.. i've heard piles of glenn wilson rip offs.. this one takes the cake.

[The Overfiend]

oh the irony! shut up your noise and come back when you've got some originality.
Grow Up.
Come back when you got some balls to address the issue at hand instead of acting like a drunk slob.
Don't play with me boy.

[eyes without a face]

dj k-hole, iam trying to imagine whats in ya head.....

its bad enough making this tripe but releasing it also wow, if this is the shape of things to come iam seriously worried, i dont know whats worse the minset that makes it or the distributor that says yes.....


dj k-hole - i do love to tease you

http://www.gm-multimedia.com/audio/i_do_love_to_tease_you.mp3

oh the irony! shut up your noise and come back when you've got some originality.

are you being serious?

clown

[RDR]

Man, that main loop hasn`t even been looped and cut properly.
Regardless of whether it is blatant or not, it`s just really badly done.
Badly composed, badly produced, overall it`s just total shite.

In total agreement. Thats ****ing :shock: ing. Perhaps they need some lessons on how to operate an editor.



Nah. **** em.

[Heroes]

jonny you so big n strong, the mind ponders about the boy behind the screen

http://www.gm-multimedia.com/avatar/baby_computer.gif

[conflict]

i thought a tune you released on compound was sampled of a planet rhythm tune?

i maybe wrong

WHAAAAAT?

oh grow up. this is ridiculous.. what is this have a go at mark and chrissi day or something?? we've never blatently sampled anything full stop!!! we change whatever we sample to make it unrecognisable and our own and i ask anyone to post up examples before flying off on the old accusation tip.

:evil:

i wasnt having a go i was merely pointing out

i also said i maybe wrong

[MARKEG]

hehehe np's. i need to chill out... sometimes p's you off when ppl say things that are not true. really shouldnt have written it like that though. sorry man

[networker]

hehehe np's. i need to chill out... sometimes p's you off when ppl say things that are not true. really shouldnt have written it like that though. sorry man

yo homeboy. chillin is sweet, and if we need an expert in kneeing yo'self in the face whilst DJin' we'll send ya a PM ;)

[TechMouse]

I'm confused.

[networker]

I'm confused.

i thought everyone had heard about that. tee hee :lol:

[tocsin]

It's funny that this site recently has spent more time devoting energy to discussing what is considered garbage. At least, that's how it seems to me right now. A shit loop? Who cares. Why even give it attention then?

On a side note,
Editing means that if you've been a cunt you can make yourself look wicked.

I installed a mod for this specific purpose. Aside from that standard "user edited message on X date" footer you have at the bottom of the post, it will also say the total percent of the message that was edited. Frankly, I find the inability to edit messages incredibly annoying. On a side note, for all the times that someone would make themselves look like a cunt, you can kill their ability to edit that by quoting the message. Simple enough.

[gumpy green]

I installed a mod for this specific purpose. Aside from that standard "user edited message on X date" footer you have at the bottom of the post, it will also say the total percent of the message that was edited. Frankly, I find the inability to edit messages incredibly annoying. On a side note, for all the times that someone would make themselves look like a cunt, you can kill their ability to edit that by quoting the message. Simple enough.
id like to see that on here......im with ya.

[jonnyspeed]

oh the irony! shut up your noise and come back when you've got some originality.
Grow Up.
Come back when you got some balls to address the issue at hand instead of acting like a drunk slob.
Don't play with me boy.

tbh, I'm sick of "hard techno" artists that all sound the same - using the same loops, same sounds, add a couple of samples in and call it original... no its not. Its what is killing the scene.

So somebody had done a booty???

[The Overfiend]

oh the irony! shut up your noise and come back when you've got some originality.
Grow Up.
Come back when you got some balls to address the issue at hand instead of acting like a drunk slob.
Don't play with me boy.

tbh, I'm sick of "hard techno" artists that all sound the same - using the same loops, same sounds, add a couple of samples in and call it original... no its not. Its what is killing the scene.

So somebody had done a booty???

Attitudes like yours is what's killing the scene, so quick to kill each other rather than try to evaluate the problem.

[jonnyspeed]

ok. I have loads of respect for you Sam. I'm gonna shut up and keep to what I like and leave Glenn/Mike's stuff to those like that.

[Heroes]

taxi for speed

[jonnyspeed]

Heresy Street, please cabbie.

[Sunil]

Attitudes like yours is what's killing the scene, so quick to kill each other rather than try to evaluate the problem.

Well in his own mind he has evaluated the problem, it's just not the same opinion as yours.

I think Johnnyspeed was a a bit offhand in his first reply there, but in general I think he's a lot more openminded towards different styles than a lot of people on this board.

[jonnyspeed]

tbh, i do deserve a warning for being an angry young man.

[Heroes]

[quote=SummerOfSam]I think Johnnyspeed was a a bit offhand in his first reply there, but in general I think he's a lot more openminded towards different styles than a lot of people on this board.

but only if ya like wobbly acid, sorry acid techno keep forgetting

[Sunil]

[quote=SummerOfSam]I think Johnnyspeed was a a bit offhand in his first reply there, but in general I think he's a lot more openminded towards different styles than a lot of people on this board.

but only if ya like wobbly acid, sorry acid techno keep forgetting

No. His charts have some interesting things in 'em, never all the same style.

[dirty_bass]

Heresy Street, please cabbie.
hehe
I had to laugh at that.

Get thee behind me SATAN.


HEATHEN!!!
:twisted: :twisted:

[Heroes]

Heresy Street, please cabbie.
hehe
I had to laugh at that.

Get thee behind me SATAN.


HEATHEN!!!
:twisted: :twisted:

you cant miss it cabbie its got ketamin sprayed on the gable end

[jonnyspeed]

Heresy Street, please cabbie.
hehe
I had to laugh at that.

Get thee behind me SATAN.


HEATHEN!!!
:twisted: :twisted:

you cant miss it cabbie its got ketamin sprayed on the gable end

lol - K is the last thing I take. But you'd certainly need K to keep any interest in the plod you put out.

[Heroes]

heeeeeeeeeeeeres jonny, another diamond in the rough department....

[Heroes]

tbh, i do deserve a warning for being an angry young man.

yes and for never venturing outside the m25

[jonnyspeed]

tbh, i do deserve a warning for being an angry young man.

yes and for never venturing outside the m25

shall we leave this? not sure where you get that from as my favourate music mainly comes out of Germany and I've travelled extensively across Europe.

[RDR]

Location: East London

[jonnyspeed]

too funny :lol: no I ain't a hobo that travels round the world in a 1970s ambulance and has ethic tatoos. no.





:cool:

[Heroes]

yea bored now: over & out

[wenna]

:hmm: lock it gandalf :crackup:

[dirty_bass]

Heresy Street, please cabbie.
hehe
I had to laugh at that.

Get thee behind me SATAN.


HEATHEN!!!
:twisted: :twisted:

you cant miss it cabbie its got ketamin sprayed on the gable end

lol - K is the last thing I take. But you'd certainly need K to keep any interest in the plod you put out.

Thats off mate, you don`t have to love Glens music but please keep this civil.

[jonnyspeed]

righty-o. it is off signing Glenn out as a scapegoat for all formulaic and commercial hard techno. soz.

[jonnyspeed]

singling-a-ding not signing... actually go on mate give us your signature cos youz famous.

[massplanck]

Johnny. I like u my fellow wonk-in-crime but give the Wilson bashing a break pleeeze. Its so not like u. :cry:

[Sunil]

Why was Johnnyspeed banned?
Other people have way more abusive than Johnnyspeed in discussions here and they didn't get booted, why didn't he just get a warning? He was out of order sure, but Glenn kept it going, no-one backed down and then Johnnyspeed gets booted.

Who booted him then? Whoever did has been completely rash.

[Sunil]

That's strange, from being "Currently Banned" back to being a "Supreme Freak", all in the space of 2 minutes!

[Sunil]

To 1 warning, that's more like it alright.

[MARKEG]

sorry guys, sam pressed the wrong button. anyway, he's back now ;) come on ppl, let's just calm down with all this crap will you it's doing the board no good at all. nowt wrong with taking about techno but these personal digs are well out of order.

[dirty_bass]

As far as I know, Johnny hasn`t been banned.
I gave him a message to stop it on here and that`s it.

[dirty_bass]

Ah there you go.

[MARKEG]

honest mistake.. the buttons are too close together i think. will have to fix that ;)

[Heroes]

there ya go my son, now as winters on its way, i dont wanna see it on ebay sold for a hit so you can keep yaself warm if you know what i mean. :nono: i got a few old coats i was gonna car boot but ya welcome to them, does your house have a number on it, ill mail then for free...

http://www.gm-multimedia.com/artwork/jonny.jpg

[jonnyspeed]

I'm going call it a day. I tried to give it a break for a few months and start afresh but I guess BOA isn't for me anymore. The few people that know me personally on this board know I'm mostly a twat in real life, too and being a wonked-up vinyl whore is no excuse for trolling - especially people way more talented than I am.

wakka wakka clap clap

soz

[Adverse]

That's strange, from being "Currently Banned" back to being a "Supreme Freak", all in the space of 2 minutes!

i smell nepotism lol

[DJAmok]

Wow, that track is awful!

Does this stuff sell??? :shock:

[tocsin]

When is a ripped loop koher? Seriously, I want to know. There have been no shortage of "techno" tracks that have ripped loops from all different genres. Why, in some circumstances is it not cool? I've heard no shortage of techno tracks that have ripped loops, and not even altered them, that people considered slamming. What is it that makes it a bad thing? Is it merely when the loop is ripped from another techno track? Because, under that logic, I'd say there's no shortage of "techno" producers that owe Public Enemy, and numerous other hip-hop producers, a serious amount of royalties and spologies.

[dirty_bass]

When is a ripped loop koher? Seriously, I want to know. There have been no shortage of "techno" tracks that have ripped loops from all different genres. Why, in some circumstances is it not cool? I've heard no shortage of techno tracks that have ripped loops, and not even altered them, that people considered slamming. What is it that makes it a bad thing? Is it merely when the loop is ripped from another techno track? Because, under that logic, I'd say there's no shortage of "techno" producers that owe Public Enemy, and numerous other hip-hop producers, a serious amount of royalties and spologies.

Well you have a point
I think there needs to be a line drawn somewhere.
I`m not sure where.
I did have a really good article from a media journal my mate wrote about creative sampling.
I must dig it up and get it linked.

[tocsin]

See, here's how I fall on it. I know for a fact that I've ripped samples from just about anything. For the energy of the track, sometimes I've altered them and sometimes I've left them completely untouched. It just seems that, when it comes to criticism, from other producers or DJs especially, there really is no telling when someone will accuse of being a straight rip-off or a "creative" sampler. Fortunately, I've been lucky enough to not have been accused of stealing from other people. But, in my own mind, and as far as laws are concerned, I'm well aware of the fact that what I have done is, for all intensive purposes, "theft." The degree to which the techno community has made this an issue as of late has been truly perplexing as I have seen no clear cut lines drawn anywhere.

[Heroes]

What is it that makes it a bad thing? Is it merely when the loop is ripped from another techno track? .

samplings not a bad thing i dont mind sampling at all, there would be many struggling track makers sometimes without that little low running sample in the background, hell ive even sampled airlock doors from movies for claps, so sampling in techno really has been a progression even for those who dont like to admit it. For most its a powerfull tool "if done right" that aint done right..........

the thread was how not to rip a loop........not the ethics & morals beind sampling.

[MARKEG]

right come on let's knock this on the head now. i think everything's been said that needed to be said. ;)