Control Freak - Adam Beyer & Henrik B remix

[The Divide]

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF189434-01-01-01.mp3

Liking this kind of techno as its not loop based

[davethedrummer]

i heard it out the other week
and i musct say on a good rig its a corker
but the edits get really tiresome after a while
if i had to listen to more than 2 or three tracks of it i'd go crazy
probably throw a bottle at the dj or something

[dirty_bass]

Yeah, I gotta agree, it`s all very well from a chin scratchers point of view, but dance music needs repetition, if not loops, then programmed.
This is a groove killer, and although clever, it just doesn`t make the booty shake.

[eyeswithoutaface]

genuinely found this awful. the original isnt that great and this is just annoying, those edit's are just too much, id really honestly rather hear a well programmed looper than that, this just doesnt settle down into a groove at all and feel's uneasy

[Si the Sigh]

I like it. Prefer this remix over the original.

[oldbugger]

that would confuse the dancers

[Si the Sigh]

...but impress the beard stroking massive?

[1992]

Wow this is extremely phat! It sounds like it was difficult to make. I might get this.

Would it confuse dancers? Only if they're autistic.

[eyeswithoutaface]

the productions good obviously but there is no groove whatsoever, so there's no point really

[dan the acid man]

yep, it has to have an underlying groove

[The Divide]

Instructions...

1.Listen for the kick drum

2.Move to it

[stjohn]

happy to hear that beyer is not exclusively minimal, but this tune does lack 'the groove'. interesting, but i wouldnt bat an ear if i heard it in a club

[Sunil]

happy to hear that beyer is not exclusively minimal, but this tune does lack 'the groove'. interesting, but i wouldnt bat an ear if i heard it in a club

Sounds ok to me, and who says it has no groove? Of course it does, it just happens to be broken up a bit...

Yeah, good inventive programming for sure, nothing wrong with this one at all.

[Si the Sigh]

Word! Agree 100% with Sunil ^

[1992]

What are you guys on? There certainly is a groove, and a damn funky one if I should say so myself.

[dirty_bass]

It`s too rigid to be funky.
It`s like the whitest man in worlds version of breakbeat, with a bit of gurn stuck on top.

[rhythmtech]

i think this is a great tune. i played it very first in my set @ drummer gig last week and the crowd got into it. it is very edgy and broken but that can be nice.

[Fordy]

I like it.

[eyeswithoutaface]

it's not funky or groovy in the slightest, its all about the kick and the edits, certainly not a groove you can settle down into, or the track itself could settle down into. No one's denying great production, but devoid of any real shake your ass funkiness. This is a fair bit old now anyway isnt it? There's more groove in Beyer's minimal stuff certainly

[marginmaster]

yeah it sounds alright, although give me some unoriginal banging loops over that anyday ;)

[eyeswithoutaface]

exactly!!!! MORE FRIGGIN BANGING BANGGY BANGGY LLOOOOPPPPSSSS

[MangaFish]

theres a groove. quite a strong repetative one infact. listen to the way how the cut-ups have been sequenced.

the problem with this track is because its cut up so much it doesnt roll along like your avarage techno groove. and tracks that dont flow are difficault to listen to.

great track in princible but more than a couple of minutes of it and i'll want to rip my own ears off to feed wild pigs

[detfella]

huh, no groove?? to my ears there's plenty of funk in there

[detfella]

the problem with this track is because its cut up so much it doesnt roll along like your avarage techno groove. and tracks that dont flow are difficault to listen to.

i find them just as interesting to dance & listen to.

[eyeswithoutaface]

best example of a groove i can give is Before i was so rudely interupted, tight, big, bassy groove all the way through the track, you dont even take notice of the kick after a while because the groove is just so phat and thunders along, really grips you in and i defy anyone to not dance to that record. This is all about the kick. The groove is there in the sense that the bassline is there yeah, but it doesnt GROOOVVVEEE. Im not talking technical aspect's here, im talking the whole set of elements working together and creating that little feeling that just clicks inside of you when a groove seriously hits home and this just doesnt have it

i think were all going to have to agree to disagree here, people's opinion's of groove and funk obviously differ greatly

[The Divide]

it's not funky or groovy in the slightest, its all about the kick and the edits, certainly not a groove you can settle down into, or the track itself could settle down into. No one's denying great production, but devoid of any real shake your ass funkiness. This is a fair bit old now anyway isnt it? There's more groove in Beyer's minimal stuff certainly

Im glad you said that, it is a fair bit old but the reason I posted it was to give this kind of techno a bit of attention as it is a different approach to what a techno track is. That in itself deserves a little more attention as imo, a fair bit of thoughs gone into it.

Totally disagree with what your saying about funk, ever listen to funk btw, or jazz? Its not based upon obvious cycles but element interactions and changes, its not always 4/4 too. Few lessons there I think

Ok this tune is not totally obvious and the one beat could be more emphasised however its for me, the tracks like this that have the most funk (click link and no fast forwarding, let it roll first ;) )....

Exhibit A (http://www.thedivide.co.uk/audio/EXHIBIT_A.mp3)

When done right (PS what is it?)

[The Divide]

PS I dont claim to be anything special in my productions, infact i suck but I love shit like this so :P

Check that link you Scotty you cycle facist

[detfella]

before i was so rudely is a class track and def has the funk. to me funk and groove come from the rhythmical elements in the track and it doesn't need a bass to groove. maybe i missundertsnad what you're meaning, but i get impression a groovey track for you is predominately based on the bass riffs.

[detfella]

Exhibit B (http://www.thesandbox.net/arm/rockford/multimedia/assets/rockford_theme.mp3)

:dance:

[eyeswithoutaface]

you underestimate me danny, some of my favourite artists are funk, soul and jazz artists, and my musical heritage is steeped in all three. Im a guitarist for 13 years now too, i certainly have a great grasp of funk and groove, and ive even played the odd Jazz number too. I've played in band's, more so in school, where ive had to keep inline with a very skilled jazz drummer who went off on many unimprovised solo's and we had to keep up and adapt, change the tempo, change the swing, timing etc etc. As i said we'l agree to disagree, for me that remix has no funk or groove, its rigid and all about teh kick and edits.

i see what your saying about the way the track is done, but its not new, its just emphasising the edits to a greater distinction. It's just less loops, but replaced with more edits and a higher production quality, it really does cut through very nice production wise. I think the problem is having the set definition of what a techno track is. Beyer and co shot themselves in teh foot ultimately with their sound and are now trying to get away from it, but i really prefer his minimal bits to this remix, and this is an older remix anyway isnt it? he's done some great stuff since, the madeye record's and i still love that Walking Contradiction

il have to check the link in a while not got speakers here

[eyeswithoutaface]

just checked the track actually went downstairs, yeah thats a funky tune, especially around the 4 min mark, that's a nice groovy funky track, and its nothing like that remix haha, id play that example out no bother great track

also, no a groove doesnt have to be a bass riff, strange assumption based on 1 example that i could think of a groove busting tune

[The Divide]

Exhibit B (http://www.thesandbox.net/arm/rockford/multimedia/assets/rockford_theme.mp3)

:dance:

Watch it danny!! Those anti groove nazis will have you locked up

[dirty_bass]

edit edit edit edit

It`s all gone a bit chaz n dave

[eyeswithoutaface]

http://www.sachsreport.com/12%20paris%20%20a%20thin%20blue%20line%20roll%20wh ere%20peugots%20roam%20fashion%20p.jpg

[detfella]

i just played the track to my pet goat and it fainted

[eyeswithoutaface]

see, there you go, goats are systematically bred to die the instant they hear funkless music

case closed, pity a goat had to suffer just to get to the end of this

[detfella]

he only fainted, the groove shocked his system so much all his muscles must have contracted

[The Divide]

Fact : music with funk kills goats

Case closed, Im going to edit wikipedia right away to back up my cause

[The Divide]

This is what happened when they listened to controll freak rmx
[/img]http://media.ebaumsworld.com/wmv/faintinggoats.wmv[url]

[The Divide]

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/wmv/faintinggoats.wmv

[detfella]

the goats wouldnt have messed up the link...you need some more delmare!!

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/wmv/faintinggoats.wmv

[The Divide]

he only fainted, the groove shocked his system so much all his muscles must have contracted

This mans a goat expert, take note Scotty

[The Divide]

How anyone can justify been a vegeterian is beyond me. I mean come on, those goats are ASKING to be eaten

[eyeswithoutaface]

hahahaha

only on blackout could it end up a discussion on goats and their funk related ailments

im still right though

[detfella]

we're all right!! but the goats have the last word, and if fern keeps eating them all, we might never become enlightened. infinite love of goats is the only truth

[dirty_bass]

No way, your all way off the mark.
If you are going to use a mammal to measure and test the funk of a piece of music, then surely you should know that you have to use an armadillo.
http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngexplorer/0503/images/articles_gallery_2_0503.jpg

These little feckers have been used by people in funk music since the late 60`s.
George clinton has 12 of them.

[The Divide]

yes, this is correct. The armadillo is the bringer of funk,

Lets not forget the monkfish - the monkfish can be used to measure the hardness of a shranze record

Heres one angry about the recent boney m shranze bootleg

http://www.chirish.com/images/blog/032905UglyAnimal2.jpg

[The Divide]

but thats a off topic, lets keep this about goats and armadillos

[detfella]

http://www.technoleaf.com/interchange/chameleon.jpg

Exhibit C (http://www.youtube.com/w/Herbie-Hancock-%26-The-Headhunters---Chameleon-live-1974?v=kPU4_NNs3VU&search=herbie%20hancock)

[eyeswithoutaface]

jesus that's a scary looking fish

[module]

1.this is belter.. i love this cut up :rambo:

2.i make cut up shit like this. cos i love it.

3.all this 'it oesnt have groove' issue is purely subjective.

4.see 1

[eyeswithoutaface]

still a WELL scary looking fish though

[TechMouse]

yes, this is correct. The armadillo is the bringer of funk,

Lets not forget the monkfish - the monkfish can be used to measure the hardness of a shranze record
Muuuuuuuuunkfeeeeeeeeeesh!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/fastshow/characters/images/monkfish.jpg

[The Divide]

This guy is a big dj Amok fan

http://people.whitman.edu/~yancey/monkfish.jpg

[eyeswithoutaface]

this is actually Andreas Kramer

http://www.jfunkie.com/photoblog/images/20050718002632_monkfish.jpg

[dan the acid man]

No way, your all way off the mark.
If you are going to use a mammal to measure and test the funk of a piece of music, then surely you should know that you have to use an armadillo.
http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngexplorer/0503/images/articles_gallery_2_0503.jpg

These little feckers have been used by people in funk music since the late 60`s.
George clinton has 12 of them.

after 3 everybody........1............2...........3....... ..................show me the way to armadillo :oops:

[eyeswithoutaface]

oh trust you dan, trust you

[eyeswithoutaface]

http://www.pb.unimelb.edu.au/emergency/template-assets-custom/images/thin-exit-sign.jpg

[The Overfiend]

I thought this was dope.
I love edits like this.
Dsp would eat their food up if he opted to do a full track like this though.
The Funk is fully all their.
Y'all need a melanin sandwhich.

[detfella]

hahahaa

[detfella]

this fella represents all funk fiddling producers from the isle of man

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/programmes/tv/blueplanet/picpops/images/prog2_2.jpg

[eyeswithoutaface]

back on topic

http://www.8legz.com/monkfish.jpg

[findthesolution]

Eh, this one is a bit too harsh for my tastes. It is very inventive tho, I will give it that.

[oldbugger]

give me some good old repetitive loops anyday of the week


**oldbugger ducks for cover from the techno nazis**