Mark Williams

[killarava2day]

Just had a listen of Primate 69...anyone heard this? Spose it pretty similar to Phont 32. Ummm, I like his structure and work, but I find the sound sorta boring...you know the tribal/latin thing? What do others think?

Altough the new Ben Sims unreleased materials on Primate sounds quite nice though :shock:

[tioneb]

i like mark williams stuff but maybe he issues too many at same time recently ... i like the one on dark house

[Jimfish]

i ****in love marks stuff at the mo..
i have to say i was a tad worried about his sound quality a while ago, but it is coming along loads as he gets more used to working on laptop i guess..
Through working with him quite a bit i know that the geezer is just bursting with quality ideas.
i reackon if he was producing in a full studio his tunes would be about as good as they get!

[The Overfiend]

Primate :nono:
Mark Williams :clap:

I dare say nuttin else..

[Adverse]

someone tell me it's a remix on the bside cause both track sound very simliar.

[Jimfish]

dunno m8 - i havent heard the primate


king of the arena: maybe hes been using 'that' loop ;)

[dfndr]

yo yo yo
a2 on phont 32 is the bomb... :doh:

[The Overfiend]

yo yo yo
a2 on phont 32 is the bomb... :doh:

Silent Jay an Bob Much?

[dfndr]

yo yo yo
a2 on phont 32 is the bomb... :doh:

Silent Jay an Bob Much?

do not compute... :roll:

[Jimfish]

yo yo yo
a2 on phont 32 is the bomb... :doh:

Silent Jay an Bob Much?

hahaha

i see what you mean! :lol:

[Sunil]

dunno m8 - i havent heard the primate


He hasn't done a Primate I don't think, I'd imagine this is one of the remixes on the Ben Sims remix dbl 12"

[miko]

just listen to his latest release on ingoma and i just dont know how they got to release it...just not quality material...didnt to it for me.

Miko
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[herman]

dunno m8 - i havent heard the primate


He hasn't done a Primate I don't think, I'd imagine this is one of the remixes on the Ben Sims remix dbl 12"

marks is the next primate num 79 i think

[wenna]

mark williams? isn't he world snooker champ! :doh:

[The Overfiend]

yo yo yo
a2 on phont 32 is the bomb... :doh:

Silent Jay an Bob Much?

hahaha

i see what you mean! :lol:

;) lol cool beans

[Sunil]

dunno m8 - i havent heard the primate


He hasn't done a Primate I don't think, I'd imagine this is one of the remixes on the Ben Sims remix dbl 12"

marks is the next primate num 79 i think

yeah you are right, just found that out today, fair play to him.

[Jimfish]

is that his ingoma album?

hes got some really nice stuff on that..

[Kevin Gorman]

i like mark williams stuff but maybe he issues too many at same time recently ... i like the one on dark house


Great Vinyl!

[miles]

[quote="killarava2day"]Just had a listen of Primate 69...anyone heard this? Spose it pretty similar to Phont 32. Ummm, I like his structure and work, but I find the sound sorta boring...you know the tribal/latin thing? What do others think?


The Tribal/Latin thing has definately run it's course.
how many more insiped bongo loops do we need to hear.

Just stand in a club all night and listen to that and you'll
be chucking yourself in front of the 1st tube on the way home ;)

Didn't Mark Williams make some quite intersting music way back when?
I suppose he needs the work :roll:

[MARKEG]

yeah it seems to me like he's using this tribal thing all the time. i don't get it. he's obviously such a talented producer :(

[The Overfiend]

I am latin and I swear half of the people don't know the stuff they are sampling. It's pathetic. :nono:

[Sunil]

yeah it seems to me like he's using this tribal thing all the time. i don't get it. he's obviously such a talented producer :(

yeah it is a bit puzzling alright, Ben Sims was the man for that sound, and now there's all these other producers (Paul Mac,Williams, Broom) doing the exact same or as close as on Ingoma. It's a complete waste of their services, if they are gonna continue releasing on Sims' labels they should be given a crack at doing a Theory or a Symbolism and try something different, can't understand (Besides the financial gain) why Sims doesn't wake up and smell the ****in coffee!!

[Sam_Horam]

I'm too pissed right now to make a reasoned post...


BUT

a lot of this thread is so hypocritical and I'll argue my point a bit later...


Cheers lads...

Back to the argument soon...

[Sam_Horam]

BTW to my friends across the Atlantic -

"pissed" means inebriated NOT in a bad mood


;)

[Adverse]

:) saaaaam... hope you had a good one hehehehe

[herman]

yeah it seems to me like he's using this tribal thing all the time. i don't get it. he's obviously such a talented producer :(

yeah it is a bit puzzling alright, Ben Sims was the man for that sound, and now there's all these other producers (Paul Mac,Williams, Broom) doing the exact same or as close as on Ingoma. It's a complete waste of their services, if they are gonna continue releasing on Sims' labels they should be given a crack at doing a Theory or a Symbolism and try something different, can't understand (Besides the financial gain) why Sims doesn't wake up and smell the **** coffee!!

Im really not sure what you guys are driving at here i mean surely the tribal sound is a perfectly valid sound in its own right ?

[Jimfish]

its not nearly as samey as the hard stuff IMO

[Angrymann]

This is an old argument brought up again. I spoke my mind about the tribal thing a while back and someone from Ingoma got back to me but never really said that much. It's easy to criticise when you aren't actually producing (like myself) but I did put forward my reasons for criticising the label.

1: The tracks are all too similar sounding . The answer I got for that was that it was because it was a "tribal label" , which isn't really an explanation , just cause it's tribal doesn't mean it has to sound exactly the same.

2: The tracks are released far too often. It's only my opinion but I don't think good techno can be churned out at a rate of two or three releases a month and still keep the sound fresh or maintain a high quality.

3: I have to pay for my records , so if I am paying between 5 and 8 quid for a record , I expect it to be different from the previous release enough for me to justify the money I pay for it . I don't think you can say that about the Ingoma label.

I am not direspecting Ben Sims or any of the other producer/remixers on this label as a lot of them I would list as my favourite producers. I just feel that the label is relying on a tried and tested sound and is not going anywhere new. It's very much in danger of going the "Samuel L Sessions" way.

[Jimfish]

i mean, all the hard techno producers just seem to stick to that one sound, and none of you say anything about that..
I cant think of any hard techno producers that ever vary thier sound - its allways the same kinda hard techno - so if that is acceptable, why isnt the tribal sound?

I know what you mean about the way a lot of tribal tunes sound the same as do a few of marks, but if you listen to his work across the board i guarantee you will find 100% more variation than say, glenn wilsons sound.

You guys have to remember a lot of the tribal guys have been at it for years and thier sounds have elvolved through many individual styles. Mark has released all kinds of stuff in his time.. breakbeat, progressive, minimal techno, downbeat etc etc. Tribal is just where he is at now - but his sound is evolving forward i promise you.

[Adverse]

i mean, all the hard techno producers just seem to stick to that one sound, and none of you say anything about that..
I cant think of any hard techno producers that ever vary thier sound - its allways the same kinda hard techno - so if that is acceptable, why isnt the tribal sound?

i couldn't agree more..

[Sam_Horam]

The board's working again... :lol:

Just to return to what I was saying when I was wrecked, seems like Jim and Adverse have already said what I was trying to say...

I really love a lot of the stuff in this style...it seems some people on this thread have a problem with the sound - end of story... and that's fair enough, but I think you can say the same about all styles at various times...

I'm not really into a lot of the harder stuff that a lot of you guys on this board dig... and a lot of that sounds the same to me... but only 'cos I don't really listen to it that closely and don't spend time finding the really good stuff...

And just taking Ingoma... I think it's a great label... some great records on there... sure there's been a lot released in a short time... but to suggest that they're just churning them out is wrong if you ask me... do you honestly believe it's for the money (as someone on this thread said) or because that's what they wanted to write?

[miles]

yeah it seems to me like he's using this tribal thing all the time. i don't get it. he's obviously such a talented producer :(

yeah it is a bit puzzling alright, Ben Sims was the man for that sound, and now there's all these other producers (Paul Mac,Williams, Broom) doing the exact same or as close as on Ingoma. It's a complete waste of their services, if they are gonna continue releasing on Sims' labels they should be given a crack at doing a Theory or a Symbolism and try something different, can't understand (Besides the financial gain) why Sims doesn't wake up and smell the **** coffee!!

Im really not sure what you guys are driving at here i mean surely the tribal sound is a perfectly valid sound in its own right ?

Come on Herman, it aint exactly a new sound.
The New York boys have been caning it for years, you have probaly got and
sampled most of the releases along with ben sims!

[The Overfiend]

Come on Herman, it aint exactly a new sound.
The New York boys have been caning it for years, you have probaly got and
sampled most of the releases along with ben sims![/quote]

true story miles!

I think people are realizing that sampling the latin thing is played. I grew up with half of the songs people sampled and it's funny to see Yo fellas boriqua sampled and nobody has even been to puerto rico. If things are going towards a non sample based creative platform I say amen to that because thats what techno is. expression of feelings thru music and sounds YOU created not time tested rhythms that have had people jumpin since the 40's an 50's.

[Jimfish]

there is more to the uk tribal sound than a few latin vocals boys

[The Overfiend]

I agree, But I am talking about the Sims sound
Not the Uk Surgeonesque Ruskin Breakbeat sound, thats king right there
Didnt mean to be misconstrued. :lol:

[Jimfish]

dude, i aint no big fan of sims tunes, but far less of his work than you obviously think actually has those tribal vocals in it.

[The Overfiend]

Dude I know I just didn't feel like going into detail to every f*ck who uses the vocals. I would just like to hear a stomper from him once in a blue with no congas whatsoever. I mean a real good hard f*ck!

[Jimfish]

fair do's but the flipside to that is that i allways want to hear all the harder boys do somthing with a bit more funk..

you stay in that little box over there and keep listening to your stuff , and i'll lock myself in this wee box here and listen to mine, howzat sound? :shifty:

**** it, haha, i dont even really like tribal stuff that much - but i have respect for the way it works on the turntabels and its great fun for the people that choose that kind of mixing. :)

kinda on this subject, what producer vary between... **** it, ill start a new thread 4 this one.. :lol:

sorry, bit bambooozled tonite :)

[The Overfiend]

To answer you're question Skoog, Bicknell. Bacto.

[Jimfish]

yep yep yep.. staffan is good at this too...

[The Overfiend]

Ehrlin Rocks. In a studio!

[Sunil]

And just taking Ingoma... I think it's a great label... some great records on there... sure there's been a lot released in a short time... but to suggest that they're just churning them out is wrong if you ask me... do you honestly believe it's for the money (as someone on this thread said) or because that's what they wanted to write?

i liked the label for a bit too, and i still listen to the new ones and know what they are about BUT I think they've made very little progress in developing the sound into something new and feel that many of the producers involved would be better trying something else; sure you can say the same thing about hard techno but not every hard techno track has an almost indentical sounding drum loop in it. Re:money, i think you slightly misunderstood me, it's easier for him to roll out Ingoma after Ingoma at the moment because it's in fashion, and that's a natural thing to do I guess, but i feel he has plumped for quantity over quality too much over the last few years when he could have got more interesting results from his artists..

[Angrymann]

Jim , you made some good points there and I don't disagree that a lot of the hard stuff sounds very similar too. Like I said though , it's easy for me to point the finger and say "it's all getting sameish" as I am not doing any producing so what the **** do I know. But I do sort of feel it's sometimes an abuse of talent when a producer's sound becomes very similar track after track. These guys already have a bank of equipment and a vast knowledge of writing and producing tracks that guys like me would kill for , so I guess it's my own personal frustration that comes out when I listen to a record , sometimes I just think " oh come on guys , you can do better than this".

It's not jealousy or complaining for complainings sake , I think everyone that's into techno wants to see it evolving and improving all the time , to keep it exciting and I just don't think the Tribal sound is doing that. I do however agree that the tribal sound is still valid , it does sound great when mixed properly with other tracks of a different style. There should just be more variation.

[miles]

I agree, But I am talking about the Sims sound
Not the Uk Surgeonesque Ruskin Breakbeat sound, thats king right there
Didnt mean to be misconstrued. :lol:

Ruskin breakbeat , i can't recall him using breakbeats?????

[The Overfiend]

I agree, But I am talking about the Sims sound
Not the Uk Surgeonesque Ruskin Breakbeat sound, thats king right there
Didnt mean to be misconstrued. :lol:

Ruskin breakbeat , i can't recall him using breakbeats?????

r u kidding?

[miles]

I agree, But I am talking about the Sims sound
Not the Uk Surgeonesque Ruskin Breakbeat sound, thats king right there
Didnt mean to be misconstrued. :lol:

Ruskin breakbeat , i can't recall him using breakbeats?????

r u kidding?

no, let me know some tracks, obviously iv'e missed some.

[miles]

I agree, But I am talking about the Sims sound
Not the Uk Surgeonesque Ruskin Breakbeat sound, thats king right there
Didnt mean to be misconstrued. :lol:

Ruskin breakbeat , i can't recall him using breakbeats?????

r u kidding?

no, let me know some tracks, obviously iv'e missed some.

It also depends what your definition of a breakbeat is.
I suppose he does use sampled breaks over a 4/4 kick.

sorry my mistake ;)

[Jimfish]

i just got that phont ep by mark today and i FU*KING LOVE IT!!

[Jimfish]

he also sent down an ingoma one but that wasnt really my bag though...

Herman: is that ur remix on the new real sessions? tasty beats, best on the ep methinks.. but whats going on with stannys mix??

[spiralx]

i just got that phont ep by mark today and i FU*KING LOVE IT!!
Picked it up yesterday, listening to it now and remembered there was a thread on him here and thought I'd check it out :) Definitely enjoying this record.

[The Overfiend]

he also sent down an ingoma one but that wasnt really my bag though...

Herman: is that ur remix on the new real sessions? tasty beats, best on the ep methinks.. but whats going on with stannys mix??

Whats up with Stanny period?
What happened to kompressorkanonen remixes and the stuff on countdown 2000 hes funky as f*ck now.

[Sunil]

Whats up with Stanny period?
What happened to kompressorkanonen remixes and the stuff on countdown 2000 hes funky as f*ck now.

"Playing with the blox" on Zenit was a brilliant album, one of the best of this year.

[The Overfiend]

Hmmmmm i guess I was more a fan of his harder edge

[Jimfish]

i foooking love stanny franssen, he is one of my favourite techno bods.. but i just dont quite know what he is trying to say on this one.. it sounds like acid techno with hoovers :scratch:

[Jimfish]

but at least he is trying somthing different!

[Sunil]

Hmmmmm i guess I was more a fan of his harder edge

Well I did tend to prefer his G-Force stuff too, but he is still worth a listen. Genetic is a good label, has toughened up a bit recently. If he's recording for the likes of Terminal M or Intec you can forget about it, most of his other stuff though is still quality techno.

[herman]

he also sent down an ingoma one but that wasnt really my bag though...

Herman: is that ur remix on the new real sessions? tasty beats, best on the ep methinks.. but whats going on with stannys mix??

yes mate that one is mine for my sins i havn't heard stanny's yet though , is there vinyl now then ? im with you on the phont e.p as well the mj sampling track just kills in a club

[Jimfish]

yeah, tps fresh in - i think si recieved some at the office today..

[Jimfish]

nah, ur not on that one :doh:

its a mark broom remix...

i think urs must be the next one herman

[miles]

he also sent down an ingoma one but that wasnt really my bag though...

Herman: is that ur remix on the new real sessions? tasty beats, best on the ep methinks.. but whats going on with stannys mix??

yes mate that one is mine for my sins i havn't heard stanny's yet though , is there vinyl now then ? im with you on the phont e.p as well the mj sampling track just kills in a club

Another highly original EP from the bongo brigade ;)

[Sam_Horam]

he also sent down an ingoma one but that wasnt really my bag though...

Herman: is that ur remix on the new real sessions? tasty beats, best on the ep methinks.. but whats going on with stannys mix??

yes mate that one is mine for my sins i havn't heard stanny's yet though , is there vinyl now then ? im with you on the phont e.p as well the mj sampling track just kills in a club

Another highly original EP from the bongo brigade ;)

Another highly constructive comment from miles ;)

[miles]

he also sent down an ingoma one but that wasnt really my bag though...

Herman: is that ur remix on the new real sessions? tasty beats, best on the ep methinks.. but whats going on with stannys mix??

yes mate that one is mine for my sins i havn't heard stanny's yet though , is there vinyl now then ? im with you on the phont e.p as well the mj sampling track just kills in a club

Another highly original EP from the bongo brigade ;)

Another highly constructive comment from miles ;)

What do you mean? I was being serious. It's a fine EP
A fine use of a Micheal Jackson sample :clap:

[Jimfish]

hahaha, yeah sounded a bit sarky to me too

[Sunil]

hahaha, yeah sounded a bit sarky to me too

Yeah it was, "Another highly original EP" gives it away :lol: