Re-Werx???

[John Vella]

Is this label Dave Clarkes???

[koma]

deja vu?

http://www.blackoutaudio.co.uk/portal/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=53007

[DJPAUZE]

lol

um no

msn me johnny, i'll fill you in.

[John Vella]

I heard all the same rumours you have Pauze.... So Frank, I am pretty sure its Dave Clarke!! hmmmmm

[Patrick DSP]

that was me typing on frank's pc. my bad for not logging him out then logging in.

[el salvador]

look john!!

profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=863 80320

and look who is the first person of the friends?

[el salvador]

oops!! here is all is

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=863 80320

[The Overfiend]

Funny how propaganda works isn't it?

[Patrick DSP]

shit, my bad. this is what happens when you scan read everything quickly. i thought you guys were talking about what's going on with Work Records out in california. anywho as far as i know about this label, it's from clarke. but don't quote me on that.

[Mika]

I have heard its from Dave Clarke...........

[eyeswithoutaface]

why doesnt someone just ask him?

[John Vella]

Because I hear he has the same powers of Medusa and his gaze can turn one to stone!!!!

[eyeswithoutaface]

i dont think that works via email?

[John Vella]

:doh: :doh: :doh:

[fac]

hehe, asking clarke something via email. funny imagination...

[eyeswithoutaface]

imagination? ive had plenty of emails back of Clarke over various matters, i dont get it?

[fac]

ok

just thought clarke is not that kind of person who answers mails or talks to music interested ppl (or "fans").

[eyeswithoutaface]

that old classic

he's a normal guy like most, and he has full access to the complete range of human emotions believe it or not!

i dont see how people think this is his label anyway? ive heard no rumours on t'mill

[el salvador]

my friend says he was having a joke with me when he has said that Richie Hawtin has make the white side :headache:

[Sunil]

Clips to this anywhere?

[The Overfiend]

that old classic
he's a normal guy like most, and he has full access to the complete range of human emotions believe it or not!
i dont see how people think this is his label anyway? ive heard no rumours on t'mill

Ok guys :doh:
The jig is up!
Scott does not know about it
So it must be a valid rumor.

[The Divide]

hehe, asking clarke something via email. funny imagination...

I asked him what sound card to get and he got back to me pretty promptly

[fac]

Clips to this anywhere?at juno or here: http://www.myspace.com/rewerx

[fac]

I asked him what sound card to get and he got back to me pretty promptlywow, you crazy mother ****er. thats pretty gritty.

[Sunil]

Clips to this anywhere?at juno or here: http://www.myspace.com/rewerx

cheers ;)

[The Divide]

lol why?

This is going back a few years. 2000 to be exact...

This is not a cop out answer but you should buy what you feel
comfortable as there is no one machine that makes every thing amazing, I
come from a hardware point of view so I cannot begin to advise you on
event stuff, personally I prefer Eventide, Lexicon, Focusrite and I use
VST but for sequencing only. That is my way, but it doesn't mean it the
best way. Good Luck.

DC

[Sunil]

I asked him what sound card to get and he got back to me pretty promptly

And which one did he recommend?

[Sunil]

aha, sorted!

[Sunil]

Well, that's good to see. I think fac can be forgiven for what he thought... Clarke is hardly famed for his friendliness now, is he?! And don't tell me, "oh, but he replied to an email, or is cool to talk to"...that's fine, but the other hand the fact is that he can be very ignorant with people sometimes, something I've seen many times. Anyway, I've never thought less of him, have usually found it quite amusing in the end, he wouldn't be Dave Clarke if he didn't have the bit of attitude or blunt expressions.

Anyway, enough of that, gonna listen to these new Dave Clarke tracks :)

[fac]

I think fac can be forgiven for what he thought... thank you sir :)

those arent new btw.

a-side is a rework of 'aphrohead - in the dark we live'
b-side 'the subjects vs jeff mills - dark matter' (a tune i'm searching for a long time)

[eyeswithoutaface]

yeah i didnt know about this so its definately a hoax. And Mixmag txt me back to confirm that

sorted

[Sunil]

I think fac can be forgiven for what he thought... thank you sir :)

those arent new btw.

a-side is a rework of 'aphrohead - in the dark we live'
b-side 'the subjects vs jeff mills - dark matter' (a tune i'm searching for a long time)

Yeah, just listened there... was a little dissappointed to be honest. 1st track was ok, second one didn't do a lot, apart from use the Aphrohead remix drumloop over "Dark Matter".

Yeah, I managed to get "Dark Matter" 2nd time around when it was released on Reload... one of my fave Mills tracks.

[eyeswithoutaface]

right think ive got this, the aside seems to be a shit version of Clarke's Aphrohead remix and the bside appears to be the a dreadful bootleg of Subjects vs Mills "Dark Matter" as already stated

really badly done bootleg alert?

[fac]

really badly done bootleg alert?hmm, dont think these tracks are outstanding. but... i dont have that mills record yet. so think ima grab this rewerx if i find it.

[el salvador]

i've got it. ;) its good :)

[Heroes]

on a system i think they would work pretty well actually

[Heroes]

na personaly i really like it i think its bringing back the id in tracks we need

[Heroes]

ive found out whos label it is

[Sunil]

If I didn't already have "Dark Matter" I'd probably be blown away by the second one, it is an awesome acid line after all... but really it just reminded me of that time Fergie ripped the Horsepower hook line for that dodgy Cheeky Biscuits label... it's just too big a rip for me to really like, doesn't display too much invention. That said I'm sure it'll go down well in a club, which is the aim. It's funny though, I've played "Dark Matter" out before and no-one ever asked "What's that one?", I bet if I played this shinier bootleg version there would be people wondering what the hell it is!

I sometimes really like bootlegs or techno tracks with hints of older tracks, Frankie Bones in particular does it very well.

[ds2]

ive found out whos label it is

SSHHH! :cheese:

this thread will be doing his label the world of good.

[Heroes]

ive found out whos label it is

SSHHH! :cheese:

this thread will be doing his label the world of good.

ok shhhhhhh yea shhhhhhhh i forgot, sorry ive been out of self promotion so long

[eyeswithoutaface]

just checked back, they've taken the mills sampling track down now and posted a message saying its not connected to Clarke

strange

[el salvador]

just checked back, they've taken the mills sampling track down now and posted a message saying its not connected to Clarke

strange


maybe he dont want it to be bootlegged :lol:

[eyeswithoutaface]

haha how ironic that would be

[el salvador]

it look to me like it is a chica who make this label, and a very sexy chica she is too :eyes:

[fac]

bought it today and added it to discogs. if someone here is a discogs mod, please give it a yes-vote http://www.discogs.com/release/757545 :)

[t-dj]

Mills is not happy about this "Dark Matter" thing at all. Its been "a complex case of remix hell" as he described it. He made these edits for a New York label "Undertow": http://www.discogs.com/release/66564 and http://www.discogs.com/release/345178 (second one being a dubious release already). The thing went on to some italian label ULR http://www.discogs.com/release/66917 without clearance and ended up on Re-Load (known for some very dubious business practises, MUCH worse than R+S at their "shady" times). Some of the Re-Load guys took the liberty to "remix the remix" (in other words, **** around with unlicensed material) and pressed up this: http://www.discogs.com/release/31984
This whole (as it seems ongoing) story is the main reason why there are only a handful Jeff Mills remixes out there. Here is a pretty awesome one: http://www.discogs.com/release/38406
He decribed the whole story some years back on his site (there was a kind of forum for a while until spammers and playerhaters took over)

[eyeswithoutaface]

yeah, i dont know why people are bigging this up in the first place, you only have to listen to it to realise all is not what it seems.

[The Overfiend]

http://www.edgiardina.com/images/hussein_snap.jpg

[eyeswithoutaface]

great pic

[el salvador]

i just look agaain to the myspace and the tresor night club, they say jeff mills, he is pissed and the post below it say that clarke plays this in the creamfields spain.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=863 80320

[eyeswithoutaface]

i love how there are several bigger names who obviously havent realised just how shady this release is supporting it, the irony being the more this bootleg saga goes on, the less likely it is Mills will do any remixes, great!

[eyeswithoutaface]

considering the first track is a strange remix/rework of Clarke's Aphrohead remix, id place a bet that he played his original version. I cant see Clarke supporting a record that boots one of his friends so blatently. But maybe everyone is giving up on their morals these days? who knows

[eyeswithoutaface]

they are even using the fact it's causing uproar as a promtional tool... pity they cant spell controversial correct

[ds2]

here Scott, i've bought you a present....



http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4749/tshirtdramaqueendv6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

:cheese:

[eyeswithoutaface]

hahaha

;)

are you stocking this release by the way?

[ds2]

no i'm not, but not because i disagree with it or anything.

i've stocked clones, p, killabite, player etc in the past so it'd be a bit hypocrytical not to stock this one. it came out when i was sorting the new website out and wasn't ordering anything new in.

i wonder if mills is still playing the clones releases...

[eyeswithoutaface]

fair point of course, i just find the whole thing very off that's all

and as if that bird is the one running the label, unless anyone can verify it? a few of you guys seem to know who it is, care to share it with the rest of us?

[Sunil]

i love how there are several bigger names who obviously havent realised just how shady this release is supporting it, the irony being the more this bootleg saga goes on, the less likely it is Mills will do any remixes, great!

I'm sure lots of people know the origin of the samples, but would just play it because they like it. And look at Ben Sims, he's built his production career on ripping other people's loops - no-one has ever really called him shady. Mills has probably played the Killabites, and he got Sims to remix one of his tracks too.

It is a little cheekier this one, but I don't think this Rewerx 12" is going to sway Mills further away from doing remixes, the fact is he doesn't really do them anyway and probably has no intention to do many more, regardless of a bootleg that's doing the rounds.

Maybe Mills should make his catalogue open to some producers to remix, rather than exclusive 100 copy releases and all that crap. A proper double pack or album from a variety of producers.

[el salvador]

i have hear that vinyl does not sell much these days anyhow so it is not like someone will be rich from these.

it is just music for a dancefloor i think. i have this record and i like it. rip off or not :)

[eyeswithoutaface]

i love how there are several bigger names who obviously havent realised just how shady this release is supporting it, the irony being the more this bootleg saga goes on, the less likely it is Mills will do any remixes, great!

I'm sure lots of people know the origin of the samples, but would just play it because they like it. And look at Ben Sims, he's built his production career on ripping other people's loops - no-one has ever really called him shady. Mills has probably played the Killabites, and he got Sims to remix one of his tracks too.

It is a little cheekier this one, but I don't think this Rewerx 12" is going to sway Mills further away from doing remixes, the fact is he doesn't really do them anyway and probably has no intention to do many more, regardless of a bootleg that's doing the rounds.

Maybe Mills should make his catalogue open to some producers to remix, rather than exclusive 100 copy releases and all that crap. A proper double pack or album from a variety of producers.

well i was just gauging from what t-dj posted, a strong insinuation that this saga has been going on for a while and plays a big part in why there are not many mills remixes about, and from the horses mouth too going from t-djs post. I understand clearly that other's are morally no better at times than this rewerx record, but that's another matter, if someone started a ben sims rip off or not post im sure there would be similar replies to this thread from similiar people, just a thought....

judging from some of the comments on the rewerx website, alot of people actually dont know the origins of the samples, admittedly it seems its the younger generation who dont know the confusion... i quote one reply as "thanks for inspiring me", which just made me laugh out loud... another saying "nice and fresh" which made me laugh even more

ive never said it wont sound good when played over a big rig, i just think this is too much a blatant rip to get over it really, just my opinion, not gospel or anything. I just think if someone is going to go to the effort to cause this much hoohaa then why not just put their energies into something way more positive like new material, or maybe the person behind it is uncapable of coming up with their own material, which somehow makes it even less acceptable for me personally.

i dont think it was ever a case of they are going to make alot of money on this either, it's the moral viewpoint thats the issue here and some agree with it, some dont, that's just life really

not that i can see it ever happening but i know for a fact ten years down the line if i noticed one of my releases blatently pulled in this way i would be beyond fuming, as i dare say most other producers on here would too, or at least id like to think so

[eyeswithoutaface]

i also like the idea that someone like mills should open up their back catalogue for remixes, especially if they want to stop things like this happening, not that it will cease this kind of activity, but surely if there were remix competitions or something along those lines then people might think twice.... or not, this is techno afterall

:)

[eyeswithoutaface]

This whole (as it seems ongoing) story is the main reason why there are only a handful Jeff Mills remixes out there.

i probably should of quoted that in my post

[Sunil]

Yeah, I wasn't mad on this release either for reasons kinda similar to yours, but for a certain crowd it works and it probably shouldn't be getting singled out for criticism too much in terms of the morals of the producer etc. Not when you have Hertz, Cave and co. doing it on a regular basis. This record it seems, is this producer's first bootleg 12" so it's not as bad a labels like P series who have a stack load of releases, and have probably sold a lot more.

[eyeswithoutaface]

yeah definately, but it's only getting singled out because there was a discussion started, and with some strange views aswell, i mean people thinking its dave clarkes label and what not.

it's actually turned into a healthy discussion, always up for a good fair sided debate, does wonders

[el salvador]

hey. is t-dj tresor dj? just a thought :scratch:

[eyeswithoutaface]

t-dj = tresor dj = Pacou

[el salvador]

thanks eyes for conformacion. :)

[eyeswithoutaface]

no worries

[Patrick DSP]

you guys need to seriously relax.

oh no, how dare anyone make bootlegs in a genra of music based on sampling and ripped off sounds. oh no. the person who wrote this bootie is going to make millions off techno vinyl sales!!! oh no.

like at bootie of mills has never been done before...
http://www.discogs.com/release/26271

at least this new one keeps well to the original.

[eyeswithoutaface]

everyone is relaxed, just conflicting opinions. Better than a one-sided love in surely? Some like it, some dont, some agree with it, some dont, thats just natural

[Heroes]

Mills is not happy about this "Dark Matter" thing at all. Its been "a complex case of remix hell" as he described it. He made these edits for a New York label "Undertow": http://www.discogs.com/release/66564 and http://www.discogs.com/release/345178 (second one being a dubious release already). The thing went on to some italian label ULR http://www.discogs.com/release/66917 without clearance and ended up on Re-Load (known for some very dubious business practises, MUCH worse than R+S at their "shady" times). Some of the Re-Load guys took the liberty to "remix the remix" (in other words, **** around with unlicensed material) and pressed up this: http://www.discogs.com/release/31984
This whole (as it seems ongoing) story is the main reason why there are only a handful Jeff Mills remixes out there. Here is a pretty awesome one: http://www.discogs.com/release/38406
He decribed the whole story some years back on his site (there was a kind of forum for a while until spammers and playerhaters took over)

Yea thats super f****ing cheeky especially from re-load putting on both originals too, iam not sayings its correct but leaving yourself open with a 100 only serious when your mills is a bit silly though, it just screams out "boot" i know you should be able to do 50 if you want, but at jeffs status iam afraid this is the stuff you going to have to put up with. It may even have a knock on effect though as hes not released too much it might start pulling fresh faces towards his back cat.

[rhythmtech]

and now comes RWX02

more dirty bootlegging... bad bad boys..

I FARKIN LOVES IT :cool: :cheese: :cheese: :cool:

[DannyBlack]

i think the 2 releases thus far are savage. i like em. they make me smile and they m,ake people bounce. thats all you want innit?