wonk!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tiptoe]

really like the wonky stuff at the minute its great. can anyone help me out by naming some good labels, producers and records for me please. This is kind of sound i'm liking if this helps
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF182002-01-02-03.mp3

[stjohn]

cannibal cooking club, mark hawkins, neil landstrumm

[fac]

ask the user crime. he is the biggest fan of wonky.

[audioinjection]

cannibal cooking club for sure
dj mahatma has some stuff like that too

[Sunil]

I dunno what tune that is, but judging by it, I'd say you'd like the stuff on Miditonal..

Check Chan n'Mikes, Horspielmusik, Don't, Shed, Kugelbox, Feinwerk, Input Output, Growth, Nasty Colour, Victim, some Tonewrecker releases, and a heap of others...

I think there's a fine line between 'wacky' wonky a la Miditonal, and the stuff by Landstrumm, Subhead and co. The British stuff generally has more stain power, and isn't all just silly or over the top for the sake of it... That said, Forshaw stuff for instance can be totally mentalist and over the top, but he's kinda an originator in that regard...

'Wonky' has tarnished some of the well known producers in this 'field', as if they only do wonky, or don't make other music or more 'serious' music or something... but I think some of the better producers associated with this are amongst the most diverse on the scene...

[Tiptoe]

yeah i got a couple recently on miditional shake a snake remixes and something else i can't remember name of. Cheers so far and keep em coming. oh yeah leif ryan is shit hot!!!!

[FUSION]

cant beat a bit of wonk

[rotten]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j39/un-clean/Stop-Dear_God.jpg

[robin m]

Ah, good old wonk :cheese:

http://www.foureyesjokeshop.com/ProductImages/Shit%20Hits%20The%20Fan%20Halloween%20Costume.jpg

[crime]

I think there's a fine line between 'wacky' wonky a la Miditonal, and the stuff by Landstrumm, Subhead and co. The British stuff generally has more stain power, and isn't all just silly or over the top for the sake of it... ..

that should be gaping chasm rather than fine line..
how anyone can compare the quality of production, inventive ideas and sheer power of Landstrumm etc with the cash in shite of miditonal is beyond me... it's people like you lot who create bandwagons for people with no imagination to jump on...

[rotten]

that should be gaping chasm rather than fine line..
how anyone can compare the quality of production, inventive ideas and sheer power of Landstrumm etc with the cash in shite of miditonal is beyond me... it's people like you lot who create bandwagons for people with no imagination to jump on...

WOOORD!!!

[Sunil]

that should be gaping chasm rather than fine line..
how anyone can compare the quality of production, inventive ideas and sheer power of Landstrumm etc with the cash in shite of miditonal is beyond me... it's people like you lot who create bandwagons for people with no imagination to jump on...

I'm reading your post a few times now and still am not sure if that's directed at me? Make yourself clear here.. Am *I* the type of person who creates bandwagons for people to jump on?

[crime]

I'm reading your post a few times now and still am not sure if that's directed at me? Make yourself clear here.. Am *I* the type of person who creates bandwagons for people to jump on?

The bandwagon bit wasn't directed at you, just the use of these terms "Wonky", "Tribal" whatever..

I mean, firstly, that mp3 link doesn't sound to me like anything I've heard on miditonal, it was actually half decent, showing a bit of restraint and subtlety on the sounds, not just hitting a keyboard, hitting record and saying "wow man, arn't I experimental", which to be quite honest what so much of that kind of stuff sounds like these days, and what made me hate being lumped in with the whole "wonky techno" thing, like around the time when a load of loons on too many drugs from east germany basically tried to replicate brown by august but at 160 bpm with no thought or imagination...

What I don't get though Sunil, is that it seems you are saying that people like Landstrumm and Vogel, and more "serious" people in this supposed "genre" make "Wonky" music and "serious" music, where is their line? What I mean is, which Neil Landstrumm trax are "serious" and which are "Wonky"?

by making a statment like that, you are yourself saying that "Wonky" is a derogatory term..

To be honest, 3 or 4 years ago I didn't so much mind being associated with the term, it was just when loads of people went out and decided that they would go and try and make "Wonky techno" (instead of setting out so make some genre that seems unknown these days called "Music", dunno if any of you have heard of it, it's pretty good actually) that it all went to shit, same as every sub sub sub genre on the techno scene, look at the tribal thing, I'm not the biggest ben sims or adam beyer fan, but I have to admire some of their early productions, but then once the remanipulator remix came out everyone and his dog was trying to cut up samba records, but doing it really really terribly..

personally I think if you listen to something like "Shake a snake" next to Landstrumm's "inhabit the machines" (which was from 9 years earlier I might add), there is no comparison..

which is the originator, and which is the second rate 10 years later copycat but done very badly?

I'll hold my hands up and admit I've done my fair bit of plagurism of Landstrumm, Vogel & Dancemania, but I did it with the utmost respect for the originators, and I am currently striving to push my own sound forward in a way I feel is unique..

Not going "oh lets find a wacky synth sound, and lay it on top of over distorted drums which we MADE funky by putting 75 % swing quantise on" (by the way, swing quantise, does not make your beats funky, being able to program does)

The problem I have with the term WONKY (WANKY anyone?) is it groups together some very talented musicians dragged down by some very poor imitators.. Sorry if I have to rear my ugly head every time someone comes out with the W word, but when my name is mentioned next to it, I think I'm entitled to an opinion...


and @ Tiptoe, sorry if you feel like you opened pandora's box somewhat with this thread, to make up for it this is IMO the direction you should be looking in.. some of it will be very hard to find and possibly expensive, but very very worth it:

http://www.discogs.com/label/Sativae
http://www.discogs.com/label/Mosquito
http://www.discogs.com/label/Scandinavia+Records
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Subhead

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Cristian+Vogel
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Neil+Landstrumm
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tobias+Schmidt



some newer stuff:

http://www.discogs.com/release/607177
http://www.discogs.com/label/Feinwerk
http://www.discogs.com/label/Input+-+Output+Inc.
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jason+Leach

also, if you want a regular lowdown on a lot of the new stuff that's coming out check here:
http://www.fun-in-the-murky.com/mt/

sorry for moanin :(

[Sunil]

What I don't get though Sunil, is that it seems you are saying that people like Landstrumm and Vogel, and more "serious" people in this supposed "genre" make "Wonky" music and "serious" music, where is their line? What I mean is, which Neil Landstrumm trax are "serious" and which are "Wonky"?

by making a statment like that, you are yourself saying that "Wonky" is a derogatory term..



No, I said that their tracks have more stain power. To be brutally honest I never saw Landstrumm as 'wonky', I saw him as an experimental techno producer and someone whose music always interested me. If at a push I had to label something "wonky" I'd probably put Birken, Subhead or Forshaw into that bracket quicker - but that's just my interpretation of the 'feeling' of wonky in my own head.

I don't like the term "wonky" any more than you do, but like it or not, it does describe a section of music and producers - some of whom I said deserved not to be tarred only with that brush. And excuse me for not saying "Gaping chasm" instead of "fine line"!... but you know what I was getting at.. and I wasn't out to slam Miditonal or whoever.

You made a good point re: loopy techno - At one stage that wasn't such a bad thing to refer to something as, then it became a dirty phrase once the style was abused... the same way "wonky" has perhaps become a little stigmatised in light of the people who you feel have abused the sound a bit. I don't know if it's derogatory term or not, to some people it is a kind of put down or jokey phrase and music not to be taken seriously - for me it's just a term that is used sometimes (mainly by fans), and it helps me know what they're into. I generally don't use the word myself, in a similar way that I dislike IDM, BUT I'm not going to kill myself over it either :)

Maybe you should just give out to Jerome about this; he's the one that started isn't he?! The wonker...

[module]

drought, sativae, scandinavia, no future, mosquito.. these, imo, were the labels that pushed the sound ppl are gettin at here..

i lost interest at one point, cos, imo, a lot of producers jus tried to make stuff that was pruposely wacky & crazy & bendy, and in doing that, made records that were impossible to mix for anymore than 4 bars.. jus spastik patterns with no groove for the sake of it.. got very tedious very quickly.

i still love a crazy bent synth with stiff jerkin drums, but my hard is in hard dense 'loop' techno.. which, still, is considered a bad word..

woe betide the man who plays loop techno ;O)

but yeah.. i like to think of the word 'wonky' as a descriptive word.. not a catch all phrase for a whole 'scene' or 'sound' and i think sunil feels the same.

[303Power]

miditonal is a wicked label. nice and wonky but got a hard beats to the tunes

[teknorich]

Was just listening to the old Globus mix by Matthew Herbert ("Let's all make mistakes"). Admittedly slower and less techno than the rest of this thread, though it finishes with Tube Jerk, Si Begg etc, but I'd forgotten what a crazy mix it is. Really good fun!!

[Tiptoe]

crime thanks for the links mate i appreciate it and to everyone else who's given me stuff.

[crime]

miditonal is a wicked label. nice and wonky but got a hard beats to the tunes

you need to check this out mate: http://www.discogs.com/release/4507

will put a few things into perspective...

[crime]

miditonal is a wicked label. nice and wonky but got a hard beats to the tunes

sorry mate, but you sound like one of those people who just posts, because you like posting something, not because you actually know what you're talking about...

[rhythmtech]

sorry mate, but you sound like one of those people who just posts, because you like posting something, not because you actually know what you're talking about...

bit harsh m8.. the guy is only new here and entitled to an opinion. live and let live and all that.

[robin m]

sorry mate, but you sound like one of those people who just posts, because you like posting something, not because you actually know what you're talking about...

Much as I admire your dedication to your cause you sound like you could do with cheering up sometimes... :;

You've got to realise that to someone who doesn't run a *however-you-want-to-describe-it* label and hasn't spent the last few years getting pissed off with other people's attempts to pigeonhole his music... 'wonky' is just an innocent descriptive word - not a mortal insult.

I get where you're coming from but that's a bit of an OTT reply to a new poster just cause their term for particular sound is different to the one you'd use.

[force]

sorry mate, but you sound like one of those people who just posts, because you like posting something, not because you actually know what you're talking about...

Sounds like somebodys climing up their own bottom.:;


Others are allowed their opinion you know!

[crime]

yeah, sorry, that probably was a bit harsh, let's just say, as I said before, there's a lot of older stuff which is far more worthy of checking out..
I've become a bit narked of late of the amount of producers who've come on the scene who seem to have no real idea of what they're doing, and so end up sounding like a cheap copy of much better stuff that has come before, and above all else only seem to be interested in "Becoming famous", looking for their own personal glories, instead of just feeling the music and really trying to do something good..

Don't want to come across as sounding bitter or anything, guess I let comments fly a little there..

think I should stay away from this thread, the name of it puts me in a bad mood :s

sorry for moaning AGAIN!