adam beyer

[conflict]

why do some people hate/disrespect adam beyer?

[eyeswithoutaface]

come on the other threads explain enough mate. People just dont like the fact he plays minimal after more than ten years of playing practically the same music and not much else.

It's techno you see, it is actually illegal to like/make/play/take a tiny interest in any other styles of techno, or music at all for that matter, other than the style that a bunch of over zealous and narrow minded fanboys know and obsess over you for

[fac]

i do not hate him neither do i disrespect him. but:


i used to like him 2-3 years ago but i was quite new to electronic music at that time and mostly into loop- and tool-techno. the problem imo isnt that he plays minimal but rather he ONLY plays minimal. i saw him in april or so. 3 hours. completely boring. i heard his essential mix. the same... there are no ups and downs. always the same level. this is want i dont like. i like djs who play diversified sets. different kinds of techno (or electronic music in general). smoother tracks, bangers, slower tracks, faster tracks etc.

[koma]

people shouldnt hate anyone, its just music for gods sake.

and i dont think adam deserves to be disrespected.

[acidguru]

why do some people hate/disrespect adam beyer?Good question,i guess they do so coz he isn`t the `old `beyer any longer in their opinion and see his change of style as kind of betrayal.Otherwise if you take the awakenings set from oct 2006 for example it`s not minimal one bit if i remember correctly.Personally i think a dj should play whatever he wants to ,nobody gets forced to listen if it`s disliked

[eyeswithoutaface]

joking aside, people dont like to let go of the past. People are scared of change, but furthermost, people take their artists for granted. Beyer doesnt owe anyone anything in terms of his musical output. He does have a certain obligation to his fans of course, as do all artists at that and any other level for that matter, but furthermost, he has an obligation to himself to play/make/perform whatever he feels is best for himself.

He's been doing the drumcode/loop techno thing for about 10, 11 years now. I defy absolutely anyone as a person to not want to reach out and try different things after 10 years of, whilst being of the highest quality, pretty much the same sound.

[Jak]

[QUOTE=eyeswithoutaface;487672] people dont like to let go of the past. People are scared of changeQUOTE]

very true, it's funny cuz fans get all bent out of shape when "their" favorite artists change styles. On the other hand people get bent out of shape when the artists don't change styles. ****... it seems like no matter what an arist does people will find cause to talk smack, especially if they are somewhat successful at what they do.


I wouldn't say Beyer hasn't changed at all over the years though. It seems that he's gone through quite a few phases. Yeah, ok it's all techno and very percussion based but when you look at releases I would say the early drumcodes stuff is not really much like what he puts out now on other labels. Drumcodes is... well.. drumcodes the label focuses on a certain sound, but the recent stuff like that one on on tresor, or that plus 8 release or toratoratora or traum or any number of remixes I've heard from him is in a different vein. At least as a producer he's done a decent job staying fresh at least in my opinion....... for what it's worth

[Frank Dogshit]

beyer was great when i seen him at club4 not so long ago.

started off minimal for about an hour and half then started playing some lovely rolling driving bassline pounders to end the night.

just what i wanted really...anyone that says he is just playing pure minimal now is seriously mistaken.

he aint wrapped it in altogether.

[fac]

anyone that says he is just playing pure minimal now is seriously mistakensometimes he does

[davethedrummer]

adam beyer is stil the king if you ask me
he's extremely flexible
like a stretch armstrong or the guy from fantastic four
only in a more musical kind of way

[Siege]

Agreed

[prozac]

I used to be a big fan of Beyer, loved the Drumcodes poundy stuff.
went through a big phase of swedish techno (hardcell, grindvik, mull etc) but ive drifted away from it.
I listen to a lot of electro etc these days. Still love techno mind you.
My point is, if you listen to/play the one style of music its possible to become boring/predictable.
Just cause beyer was a techno god that all the slapheads got wet over doesn't mean he has no right to diversify

[audioinjection]

beyer is still dope, although he has gone a bit more minimal compared to his older tracks, i still dig his sound, very funky stuff

but you gotta accept change (even if you dont like where its going)

[Dustin Zahn]

It seems like Adam can't get a break from the critics. The fact is you can't please everybody. In Adam's case, he was doing the same thing for quite a while and people gave him crap for that. He went the direction of Truesoul and people said it was too soft. He did some great tracks with Henrik and people thought some of it was too trancey. He started Mad Eye and went a little more minimal and people sh*t bricks again. The moral of the story is people will always complain (especially on the internet).

I don't really see why people think his new stuff is so soft or "minimal." The Traum remix sounds like something straight out of the Code Red era and the majority of the Mad Eye catalog is hard as nails, just about 10 bpm less than normal.

[Dorian Hunter]

I`m not really into his style at the moment, but he is defo one of the best DJs with real skills, and what I heard from different promoters he is a totally easy guy, always friendly and chilled.

[Numeric]

It seems like Adam can't get a break from the critics. The fact is you can't please everybody. In Adam's case, he was doing the same thing for quite a while and people gave him crap for that. He went the direction of Truesoul and people said it was too soft. He did some great tracks with Henrik and people thought some of it was too trancey. He started Mad Eye and went a little more minimal and people sh*t bricks again. The moral of the story is people will always complain (especially on the internet).

I don't really see why people think his new stuff is so soft or "minimal." The Traum remix sounds like something straight out of the Code Red era and the majority of the Mad Eye catalog is hard as nails, just about 10 bpm less than normal.

word...

[Tiptoe]

cos people still live in 1998! Change is hard for a lot of people to cope with musically i think. Thre sound progresses people's ideas progress. Hell think what would happen if it didn't we'd all be in clubs listening to piano house and stuff. Let the haters hate and everyone else will just get on with it and have fun. I feel sorry for all them people stuck in the past

[eyeswithoutaface]

like i say, one of the main things that is pushed down people's throats in techno is nostalgia, "It was amazing back in my day"..." oh remember when such and such was still amazing"... out of the scenes im involved in, the majority of techno fans are definately the worst at times for having this strange fixation with clutching onto the past desperately and then getting all shitty and bitter when one of their fave artists refuses to get left behind in 1998 like u say Joe lad

[Jay Pace]

Consistently outstanding producer.

Only heard him dj once and didn't rate him, he was a bit flat and I had high hopes.

Hating him is foolishness.

[fac]

nowadays its forbidden to have another opinion than the masses. if you say you dont like anything (especially on the internet) you better hide. or they will punish you bad. adam beyer is god. all he did/does/will do is perfect. the other guys who now do this cool new music are also godlike. especially those of them who used to do loop-/tool-techno. i admire their creativity. everytime i listen to their music i could cream. IT IS SO AWESOME!

[basslinejunkie]

hahaha

[g]

people complaining about his 'minimal' sound apparently never really paid attention to code red.

[katya]

He's been doing the drumcode/loop techno thing for about 10, 11 years now. I defy absolutely anyone as a person to not want to reach out and try different things after 10 years of, whilst being of the highest quality, pretty much the same sound.



Right, but what about the drumcode history?? I can't say that it's entirely transcended into the new sound..

[katya]

people complaining about his 'minimal' sound apparently never really paid attention to code red.

in agreement on that one - the minimal sound BEFORE the german minimal wave.

[fac]

as far as i know hawtin is not german...

[fac]

do you really want to say code red has more in common with trapez than with drumcode?

[essence]

both FaC and Dustin have a point in their opinions. Dustin is quite right about people always complaining about ab; fac is quite right in his statement that sometimes having different point of view is intolerated and ppl tend to worship 'holy cows'
Regarding mr Beyer - he has always been a good and prolific producer - he had his better and worse moments; never admired him as much as karl/tony, oliver ho and james ruskin etc... but always had respect for him. drumcode was a very important label for my early techno experience; loved his tracks on jericho/inside; his newer works still can rock (as if dubs for example is imo one of the best clubby tracks a.d. 2006). and I think he deserves respect; there are so many artists who deserve criticism to much bigger extent than adam (all those teen techno producers e.g. hades/marco bailey/redhead)...

[eyeswithoutaface]

Right, but what about the drumcode history?? I can't say that it's entirely transcended into the new sound..

sorry that doesnt make sense, your going to have to elaborate. No one mentioned Drumcode's history, nor does it have anything to do with it. The fact Beyer has worked Drumcode up into a label that has been able to last for ten years is in itself a testament to its quality, thats a totally seperate issue. This is about people disliking his preferred direction.

[robin m]

like i say, one of the main things that is pushed down people's throats in techno is nostalgia, "It was amazing back in my day"..." oh remember when such and such was still amazing"... out of the scenes im involved in, the majority of techno fans are definately the worst at times for having this strange fixation with clutching onto the past desperately and then getting all shitty and bitter when one of their fave artists refuses to get left behind in 1998 like u say Joe lad

Totally agree with this... surely it's far, far better for all concerned to talk about the good things going on at the moment than bitterly complaining that it's not as good as it used to be. That was then, this is now.

Everyone's always gonna be misty-eyed about the stuff that turned them on to the music in the first place but slating or hating (did anyone honestly say that?? surely not...) someone for taking their sound in a new direction they wanna go in is just plain bollocks.

Music should be art, people should write the music they feel needs to be written... if Beyer just catered for fanboys rather than making stuff from the heart he'd be selling out. Fair play to the bloke. Change is essential.

[dan the acid man]

Well said, it's always been a no win situation, change and you get people complaining, don't change and you will still have people complaining :laughing:

Let him do what he wants, if you love it great, if not find something else to listen to and enjoy instead.

[katya]

sorry that doesnt make sense, your going to have to elaborate. No one mentioned Drumcode's history, nor does it have anything to do with it. The fact Beyer has worked Drumcode up into a label that has been able to last for ten years is in itself a testament to its quality, thats a totally seperate issue. This is about people disliking his preferred direction.

by history I meant the musicial progression/direction of the label, which certainly encompasses quality, but you are right, that's a totally different topic

[fac]

Music should be art, people should write the music they feel needs to be written...double :laughing: :laughing: for this naive statement

[robin m]

double :laughing: :laughing: for this naive statement

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

[...Dave...]

Laugh it up, but when you get over yourself & the (granted) cheesiness of the statement it's true isn't it? What else do people make music for?

Is it really naive - what great music was made for other reasons than for the love of it?

:) absolutely

[fac]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

[rhythmtech]

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

with all due respect m8 you need to come down off your horse. everyone is entitled to do what they do.. i say fu.ck it. if you can make money from music to help you do what you wanna do then so be it.. many people have families and homes. are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?

[rhythmtech]

and before you say it im not condoning "selling out" but if someone makes a tune that they know will appeal commercially then y not put it out there and get something back for your work? theres plenty of good music out there that has commercial appeal.. it doesnt have to be only liked by 3 people in brataslavia to make it good.

[Jay Pace]

Everyone should work in a factory to keep their art pure and unsullied by dirty commercialism.

Making music that sells well is the work of the devil.

[fac]

are they meant to make music that appeals purely to the underground and live off the social welfare?
if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.


if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

[rhythmtech]

but factories are SO commercial these days, i find.

[rhythmtech]

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

im not talking about tuning your music at all... but i know from my experience that when i write a tune i write a tune.. it goes where it goes - underground, commercial, whatever..

surely if you SET OUT to write music thats purely underground then thats just as bad? music should be whatever you feel at the time of writing, and if thats commercially viable then lucky you.

[robin m]

:whoops:
as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

Fair enough, I'm sure a lot of producers do make music that's going to pay the bills rather than stuff they believe in - that's why I said 'great music' rather than 'successful music'.

I might be completely wrong about this (who knows what's going on in someone else's head) but as far as I can tell most of the music I regard as truly great was made with passion rather than commercial success as the driving force.

Music is fundamentally an artform - it's an insubstantial production of someone's creativity that brings enjoyment to people. It's very easy to lose sight of this though, as its nature is to exist and be distributed as multiple copies of the same piece (rather than as one single entity, such as a painting or something).

Artists in the more traditional sense pay their rent by being able to sell single pieces, in theory at higher and higher prices as they become better & gain more recognition - musical artists have to sell multiple copies of the same piece so are forced to make their money in a different way, by retailing... which comes with a whole different set of rules.

...I don't know if any of this is relevant or even makes sense, I was just typing as I was thinking really, I think it's the way I see it anyway! :whoops:

[robin m]

surely if you SET OUT to write music thats purely underground then thats just as bad? music should be whatever you feel at the time of writing, and if thats commercially viable then lucky you.

Totally agree :cool:

I'm not knocking anyone's approach or reasons to write music, just saying that I think that the majority of music that's truly great was made for passion rather than profit.

[loopdon]

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.


you doing any kind of music yourself, mate? just interested.

i love such a lot of different kinds of music from ''deep in my heart'' that i really can't follow your path of thought.... what works for Mark Hawkins works for Mark, but it is his(!) reality/situation - not necessarily that of the rest of us, eh? stuff that was commercial yesterday can be a niche product ever so quickly and the other way round. do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercially successful at this point in time???

[Jay Pace]

i love such a lot of different kinds of music from ''deep in my heart'' that i really can't follow your utterings.... what works for mark works for mark but it is his (!) reality/situation - not necessarily that of the rest of us, eh? stuffthat was commercial yesterday can be a niche product ever so quickly and the other way round. do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercial at this point in time???

:cheese::clap:

[DannyBlack]

i have to say as a producer he has to be one of the best. i went to see him a while back, savage DJ.

check this out http://www.discogs.com/label/Zenit

classy techno.

im really into all the drumcode stuff he did too, it has to be some of the most intelligent techno i have ever heard.

[fac]

you doing any kind of music yourself, mate? just interested.no, i'm only a fanboy


do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercially successful at this point in time???i never said that. i didnt say commercially successful stuff was the pure evil. that attitude is quite gay. i only referred to robins statement which is honourable but obviously not the reality nowadays.

[audioinjection]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.

[BRADLEE]

It's Adam Beyer....That's all I can say. He can do what he wants to do....

Regardless of what people are used to from the man, I would expect nothing less than solid material no matter what style he's making.

Now if he started playing country or polka, then perhaps people might have something to complain about :laughing:

[fac]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.can i give you a hug? :)

[eyeswithoutaface]

your all thinking way too much

Beyer isnt gonna give a ****ing toss what a bunch of people on message board are saying about him when their bored so i dont see why people should get so het up about it. As for writing music to sell etc, well, DUH! who doesnt want good sales? you show me one person who doesnt want to sell records and i'l show you a liar. There is no frigging underground these days, there hasnt been for years. You either make music and have great sales, make music and have average sales or make music and have poor sales. That's about the be all and end all of it when it comes to the production/creation of music side of things within this scene

[rhythmtech]

i dont think i want my kids to grow up in a world where scott talks sense.. im scared :laughing:

[fac]

Beyer isnt gonna give a ****ing toss what a bunch of people on message board are saying about him when their boredi thought he was reading all the stuff here and changes his sound tomorrow...

[The Overfiend]

Fact: Beyer does read this board.
Fact: Any artist would want a positive reaction to their creative output.
Otherwise why release it to begin with.

[The Overfiend]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.

Exactly
I think what is part of it David, is that we come from the generation of the go getter, bigger is better mindstate, and know that 10 to 20 successful techno records a year still will not give you financial stability. At least in our neck of the woods. I'll continue to make what I like, and drive my SUV and proceed to law school, while Mr. I'mtheHottestDjInTheClubYouNeverHeardOfFollowUpFor AnyJockWithIntegrity Has Their Open Bar wishes and ecstasy pill induced fantasy of being one of the big boys. If it is in your cards then so be it, if not don't knock the ones that made it. They earned it with whatever practices they put into play.

Beyer was & is just that damn good.

[eyeswithoutaface]

If beyer was reading this i'd hope he'd be appreciative enough off all positive reactions to his creative output and actually post his opinion aswell, surely?? And he does get positive reactions here i think, on the whole, it's agreed he's done alot for techno and i personally still love hearing the old drumcodes as much as the new minimal stuff, i love it all.

I think thats one thing we would always agree on Tony, Beyer definately kills it and always has.

[Tiptoe]

sometimes can't believe the amout of pages and fuss that goes on about something like this. The guys done a lot for techno and that alone should be enough for someone even if they don't like his newer stuff to not moan about it. Can't believe we have these topics sometimes!

[dirty_bass]

I don`t even know what the hell this discussion is about.
It seems to me to be a kind of simpering argument about something.
I dunno.

Oh yeah

Adam Beyer.
He`s done some great records, I like em.
Well done that man, keep it up.

[dan the acid man]

If beyer was reading this i'd hope he'd be appreciative enough off all positive reactions to his creative output and actually post his opinion aswell, surely?? And he does get positive reactions here i think, on the whole, it's agreed he's done alot for techno and i personally still love hearing the old drumcodes as much as the new minimal stuff, i love it all.

I think thats one thing we would always agree on Tony, Beyer definately kills it and always has.

word to that

[markandrew]

respect to adam beyer for making a change and still keepin it rockin he wanted a change and did so even tho he knew some people wouldn't like it he thought it was worth the risk to do what he wants :)

[dubs]

Beyer has a shiny head. Maybe he should try growing hair for a change.

[Clit Commander]

If beyer was reading this i'd hope he'd be appreciative enough off all positive reactions to his creative output and actually post his opinion aswell, surely?? And he does get positive reactions here i think, on the whole, it's agreed he's done alot for techno and i personally still love hearing the old drumcodes as much as the new minimal stuff, i love it all.

I think thats one thing we would always agree on Tony, Beyer definately kills it and always has.

He's reading, don't worry about that. I'm sure all the positive support is what keeps him motivated to work as hard as he has from day one over 10 years ago.

[MangaFish]

I don't hate beyer - i just hate the stuff he plays these days.
pity because he used to be one of my favourite DJs.

At the end of the day he has to do the music he loves regardless of what people think. If people love it - then thats a bonus (and obviously a lot of people must do otherwise he wouldn't still be selling records and getting bookings.)