Recreating Specific Bassline - new agnelli / flutlicht style

[flutlichtjunky]

Hi everyone.

Im looking to pick some peoples brains here for a specific bassline sound / programming.

If you've heard of these tunes / producers it will give you an idea of what im searching for:

agnelli & nelson - holding onto nothing - MAIN ONE
cosmicman / matti laamanen
green court remix of ligaya
pulsar remix of matt darey beautiful
flutlicht - the fall rather than ahmea

For those that dont know its a kind of rolling, dark, stuttery + energetic bassline.

It sounds like the volume is moving, so env on the filter??? or clever delay tricks?

Ive come sort of close by running a low vaz bass off beat, then adding a triplet delayed higher saw bass playing over the top. But ive never managed the 'wall of sound' fat wobbly saw'ness that im after.

:roll: ive tried to use the most descriptive words i can to get across what im after. But i think it might be a lost cause.

Thanks for any help!!!


Also i quite like linkin park - i though i hate nu-metal but i think their melodies are really good worringly :rambo:

[EmotionComplex]

any chance u can get a few clips of the tracks u mentioned mate?

[flutlichtjunky]

Ok, here are a few clips of similar styles. They are around 100 -200kb each

http://www.fuktstereo.com/bass/agnelli-nelson.mp3
http://www.fuktstereo.com/bass/beautifulremix-pulser.mp3
http://www.fuktstereo.com/bass/ligaya-green-court.mp3
http://www.fuktstereo.com/bass/Merlydee-paradise.mp3
http://www.fuktstereo.com/bass/third-eye--planethunters.mp3

[EmotionComplex]

i see what u mean, it isnt as easy as i thought to replicate there sound, i had a go but its late (3am) and im forced to use headphones so it may contribute to them not sounding too similar lol

http://www.emotioncomplex.co.uk/bassline1.mp3

http://www.emotioncomplex.co.uk/bassline2.mp3

didnt spend long on them but i tried to make them sound similar but they dont exactally sound like any of them :doh:


im intersted to see if i can make some that sound like those tracks now so i think thats what ill try when i get up tommorow :cool:

if i crack it i will tell u exactally how i did it lol

[baptismo]

I reckon some good instruments to try out could be tau pro, or some other 303 type emulator. I think ive come quite close to the wobbly flutlicht bassline! (as they are still me fave producers R.I.P. Reverb) I reckon its got loads to do with the compression and eq on the instrument, layering it up with another patch or two maybe, group kick and bass together and compressing again there, with other plugs on the group like possibly a maximiser to make sure its phat as me nan... also i reckon flutlicht's basslines are chorused to ****. Hope this is some help! Ive been on a mission to create that style of bassline myself since i started producing! let us know how ya get on! ;) :lol:

[EmotionComplex]

were all on a bass line mission by the looks of things :twisted:

[EmotionComplex]

I reckon some good instruments to try out could be tau pro, or some other 303 type emulator. I think ive come quite close to the wobbly flutlicht bassline! (as they are still me fave producers R.I.P. Reverb) I reckon its got loads to do with the compression and eq on the instrument, layering it up with another patch or two maybe, group kick and bass together and compressing again there, with other plugs on the group like possibly a maximiser to make sure its phat as me nan... also i reckon flutlicht's basslines are chorused to ****. Hope this is some help! Ive been on a mission to create that style of bassline myself since i started producing! let us know how ya get on! ;) :lol:

cheers for the tips mate, i thought ud be the one most clued up on this :cool:

im so used to using preset basses i think its about time i learn how to create some good ones so this little experiment might be useful

[flutlichtjunky]

cheers for all the info. Some ideas for me to look into. But i know this is going to be quite hard to pull off.

Ill post back in a bit after trying some ideas from this board and a few others!!

[djTequila]

Sounds like the velocity is modulating not just volume but filter cutoff too. And either chorus or unison is being used to get that 'big but light' sound. The metallic edge could be added distortion.

Layer a sub-bass b-line with one that has some mid range detail. Then compress, EQ, distort etc. until you like the result.

Also, try running a send to an EQ and a delay in a chain. EQ out the bottom end, make the delay stereo. This'll pad out the stereo image and add to the groove without adding mudge to the bottom end. Give the saound a hard attack to make this work.

T*

[Louk]

I'd say in my lack of musical production knowledge here to get the flutlicht sound

it's a case of having the volume on each note differing

for example on every beat theres a kick and then three bass notes follow it before the next kick

so it's like Kick - bass 1 - bass 2 - bass 3

what would work wouldbe to keep bass 1 and bass 3 at half the volume of bass 2

so it would be Kick at full volume - bass 1 at 50% - bass 2 at 100 volume% - bass 3 at 50%

by bass 1 2 and 3 i dont mean different bass samples just the same instrument.

when that's done - eq the bass so it sounds louder but not distorted then add some very slight reverb and slight phaser and delay.

Do the same for the kick

Compress the hell out of both the kick and Bass probably using the same settings for both.

Errr - well i know what I mean anyway ?:)Does this sound right?

If you want to do something daring make the 2nd bass in each 1/4 of a bar - (the offbeat one) an octave higher :)

Also again you could add just another sine wave bass line playing the bass 2 note only on another channel and eq that so it toughens it up :)

Louk

[flutlichtjunky]

Louk - sounds like a ferry corsten - gouryella style bassline that he used.

o - is kick
x - bass at 0 octave
X - bass octave higher

therefore it goes:

0xXx0xXx0xXx0xXx

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A variation is the armin style one of:

0xXx0XxX0xXx0XxX

This actually doesnt sound how you think it would, it kinda goes all complicated.

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djTequila

mmm i see what you mean, im using vaz as my synth and what you say is very easy to fit in. Ive attached a demo of a sound i came up with, it hasnt got that hardness to it like the merly dee trak, its more like the pulser one

http://www.fuktstereo.com/Voyager-Alliance-Demo.mp3

I used 2 basslines.

It used a low pulse width modded bassline mixed with a saw and distorted a little. Overlaid with a triplet saw bassline with loads of delay to create a stuttery mess.

Didnt spend and time on compression/tuneing the kick or anything posh. Just wanted people impressions really.