your thoughts on minimal..

[Tyrisia]

Was gonna post this in the discussion forum, then thought, I want viewpoints from the production/musical angle, so would be better here.

I've spent a lot of time this weekend downloading, collecting and listening to minimal sets from the likes of Hawtin, Villalobos, Audio Injection, Alex Smoke, and some of the less well known dj's from the Filez section. I know this ain't a comprehensive list of what's goin on, but after listening to this stuff and watching crowd reactions on youtube, it seems to be completely different vibe-wise than anything I've heard/seen before (except Howie B's downtempo "Skelf" project). I've been aware of the whole thing for a while but never really looked into it, so thought it'd be interesting to get some view points offa (hopefully) a cross-section of techno society :)

So I was wondering if any of you guys could describe "minimal" to me in terms of production qualities, muscial qualities (energy etc), and how you would see this sound developing in years to come?

[TechMouse]

Ah, the unmistakeable sound of a can opening and worms spilling all over the place...

To me there are two very different things that get bandied around as minimal.

One is what I would call "genuinely minimal" Techno, like Basic Channel and older Hawtin. Stuff with few elements, sparse arrangements, generally restrained DSP with massive soakings of reverb and echo. The great thing about this stuff being that it can actually be either hard or soft, in-your-face or understated. There's quite a lot of range.

The other is this "mnml" stuff that's floating around a lot, which to me sounds like what they used to call "Click House". Which is actually pretty complex and intricate but uses very tiny little clicky and blippy noises compressed to buggery. A great example of the sound is Akufen. It has its moments, but I'm not a massive fan.

[RDR]

Ah, the unmistakeable sound of a can opening and worms spilling all over the place...

To me there are two very different things that get bandied around as minimal.

One is what I would call "genuinely minimal" Techno, like Basic Channel and older Hawtin. Stuff with few elements, sparse arrangements, generally restrained DSP with massive soakings of reverb and echo. The great thing about this stuff being that it can actually be either hard or soft, in-your-face or understated. There's quite a lot of range.

The other is this "mnml" stuff that's floating around a lot, which to me sounds like what they used to call "Click House". Which is actually pretty complex and intricate but uses very tiny little clicky and blippy noises compressed to buggery. A great example of the sound is Akufen. It has its moments, but I'm not a massive fan.

+1

[DVNT]

Ah, the unmistakeable sound of a can opening and worms spilling all over the place...

To me there are two very different things that get bandied around as minimal.

One is what I would call "genuinely minimal" Techno, like Basic Channel and older Hawtin. Stuff with few elements, sparse arrangements, generally restrained DSP with massive soakings of reverb and echo. The great thing about this stuff being that it can actually be either hard or soft, in-your-face or understated. There's quite a lot of range.

The other is this "mnml" stuff that's floating around a lot, which to me sounds like what they used to call "Click House". Which is actually pretty complex and intricate but uses very tiny little clicky and blippy noises compressed to buggery. A great example of the sound is Akufen. It has its moments, but I'm not a massive fan.
+2

Liking Ambivilant of recent thou. What does that count as?

[BloodStar]

same here. I like minimal in sense of approach to the tune instead of mnml clicky glitchy thing.

[DannyBlack]

i think Minimal, like all brands of techno if done right is wicked. nuff said.

[Craig_Lea]

I must admit, a lot of the Mnml type stuff has a really nice vibe to it.
But, I do find it slightly frustrating at times.
For me, when I hear a section in a track that starts building towards a crescendo, after the crescendo I would want it to be completely rocking and to keep building.
A lot of Mnml seems to build and build during a breakdown, but when it kicks back in, all it does is drop back down to a few spartan layers.
I know it's a bit of a generalisation, and maybe it's just the stuff I have heard, but that's the overall impression I get from it.

[loopdon]

I must admit, a lot of the Mnml type stuff has a really nice vibe to it.
But, I do find it slightly frustrating at times.
For me, when I hear a section in a track that starts building towards a crescendo, after the crescendo I would want it to be completely rocking and to keep building.
A lot of Mnml seems to build and build during a breakdown, but when it kicks back in, all it does is drop back down to a few spartan layers.
I know it's a bit of a generalisation, and maybe it's just the stuff I have heard, but that's the overall impression I get from it.

I was wanting to say that as well, after a build with verb and noise instead of dropping into a frenzy it drops back to nothing. Very anti-climatic. If sex was always like that humanity would stop doing it.

Head over to mnml.nl as well for more info :)

[Craig_Lea]

I was wanting to say that as well, after a build with verb and noise instead of dropping into a frenzy it drops back to nothing. Very anti-climatic. If sex was always like that humanity would stop doing it.

Head over to mnml.nl as well for more info :)

Yeah, anti-climatic is exactly the way I feel about it sometimes. That's a great description.

[mattboyslim]

i think a lot of the nu skool producers are missing the point. their stuff isn't minimal at all. yeah it doesn't have a pounding kick and harsh snare, but the intricate fills flying about that add to the groove create something more maximal than much of the harder stuff. proper minimal is just that. space between sounds and time to breathe before the next beat

[TechMouse]

I have some absolutely horrific records that I would consider to be very minimal.

Observer by Steve Stoll, for example.

(Track A1 on this (http://justmusicstore.com/album-2164486/Steve_Stoll/Observer/mp3-download/#))

Next to nothing going on in that track.... utter filth, and kicks like the proverbial mule on the dancefloor.

[Tyrisia]

what was interesting was I was watching a Villalobos set on youtube and it looked to me like half the crowd were completely bored outta their skull, and just goin through the motions of dancin coz they were there.

And a great deal of the music that I've heard in sets has been of my opinion lacking energy to the point of being plain boring. I suspect this is minimal "done wrong", or am I missing the point?

[Jay Pace]

Hmmm.... I go to a lot of minimal stuff. The vibe is very dfferent.

You end up drinking and chatting a lot more, rather than doing full on bosh bosh bosh stuff, which is all I did for years.

Its nice. More sociable, and the emphasis moves away from the music and into the atmosphere of it all. Hawtin excels at this - creating tension and atmosphere in a crowd. The set ends up being more about the vibe than the music. And for this reason the quality of the setup becomes crucial. Minimal on shitty rigs sounds awful, and almost pointless.

The way things seem to be moving at the moment is into this kinda cartoon shuffly plinky sound which I find really irritating. But on the other side there's some really smart stuff being made. Some fantastic old school sounding stuff, heavy detroit influences, and an emphasis on a slow, driving funk and melody that can be both quirky and mesmerising.

IMO one of the best things minimal has done has encourage producers to move away from fast distorted loops and start slowing things down and going for a more organic sound.

Can see a resurgance of melody and a move away from glitchy DSP style stuff, which is just going to end up sounding tired and cliched. Very "00s" or whatever you call this stupid decade.

I'm really glad it happened though, as its made going out much less intense and much more appealing. More of a drop in vibe to it, than a full on drug induced bosh-fest. Which is great and that, but I'm not getting any younger, and can't really be dealing with work on monday with a head reeling from chemical withdrawal.

[loopdon]

Hmmm.... I go to a lot of minimal stuff. The vibe is very dfferent.

You end up drinking and chatting a lot more, rather than doing full on bosh bosh bosh stuff, which is all I did for years.

Its nice. More sociable, and the emphasis moves away from the music and into the atmosphere of it all. Hawtin excels at this - creating tension and atmosphere in a crowd. The set ends up being more about the vibe than the music. And for this reason the quality of the setup becomes crucial. Minimal on shitty rigs sounds awful, and almost pointless.

The way things seem to be moving at the moment is into this kinda cartoon shuffly plinky sound which I find really irritating. But on the other side there's some really smart stuff being made. Some fantastic old school sounding stuff, heavy detroit influences, and an emphasis on a slow, driving funk and melody that can be both quirky and mesmerising.

IMO one of the best things minimal has done has encourage producers to move away from fast distorted loops and start slowing things down and going for a more organic sound.

Can see a resurgance of melody and a move away from glitchy DSP style stuff, which is just going to end up sounding tired and cliched. Very "00s" or whatever you call this stupid decade.

I'm really glad it happened though, as its made going out much less intense and much more appealing. More of a drop in vibe to it, than a full on drug induced bosh-fest. Which is great and that, but I'm not getting any younger, and can't really be dealing with work on monday with a head reeling from chemical withdrawal.

Some good points there. Musicality (neo-trance, anyone?), cleaner production values etc. I always wanted to hear stuff on a good, not to loud rig, though. Not only minimal stuff. Glitchy for the sake of it and trying so desperately not get loopy that it hurts is not my cuppa, though. I also miss basslines at times. Which lots of mnml tunes are lacking. Often enough the kicks don't make up for this, either.

I have said it before and eagerly say it again - i am all for a mix of styles. On a per-track basis and looking at an entire set. Atm i am really rediscovering the beauty some techno of around 2000 + / - two years had.

[Tyrisia]

Hmmm.... I go to a lot of minimal stuff. The vibe is very dfferent.

You end up drinking and chatting a lot more, rather than doing full on bosh bosh bosh stuff, which is all I did for years.

Its nice. More sociable, and the emphasis moves away from the music and into the atmosphere of it all.

That makes sense then, I kinda thought it was this way. I've not been out to any techno nights for ages, and this is probably my downfall, I haven't experienced the minimal vibe yet in person.

I must say that I've heard some great tracks through searching in the last couple of days, but they seem to be out numbered ten to one by tracks that follow the formula and have uninspiring basslines etc. I suppose that's true of any genre that becomes so popular that everybody wants in on it though.

[Jay Pace]

Yeah, mix of styles always the way forward.

Besides, its great now that stuff has slowed down a lot. Acid house, wonky stuff, minimal old and new, even old belgian techno and early hardcore mixes happily together. More opportunities to chop it up than ever before....

.... and yet people still play entire sets of kompakt, perlon and minus records. Lively up yourself bwoys.

And loopdon - totally get you on basslines. The plinky two note minimal basslines get on my tits.

[Jay Pace]

If you haven't already - check out claro intellecto and andy stott.

There's a sound out there that I hear every now and again and I think "thats the future" but I've never heare more than a few snatches here and there. Frustrating, but at least some people are pushing something.... there's gems out there...

[p_brane]

claro intellecto

not been to a minimal night before simply for the fact that i like my techno relentless in clubs. intellecto is real good stuff though, i'd recommend his stuff to anyone.

i always thought that plastic man style stuff was minimal, the mnml stuff nowadays is very much like clicky, bleepy house as techmouse said.

[Tyrisia]

If you haven't already - check out claro intellecto and andy stott.

There's a sound out there that I hear every now and again and I think "thats the future" but I've never heare more than a few snatches here and there. Frustrating, but at least some people are pushing something.... there's gems out there...

Will do, I'm intrigued by this sound you think is the future, I really don't know enough about the whole thing yet, but I'll go buy some tune offa Beatport or something.

Anybody else got any recommendations?

[TechMouse]

Very "00s" or whatever you call this stupid decade.
I think the officially endorsed term is "the naughties".

[eyeswithoutaface]

that "Registry Check" ep on Klickhaus is meant to be wikid *wink wink nudge nudge*

haha in all seriousness minimal is what you make of it, if you like it great, if you dont, that's fine too, the world isnt going to end because a few people dont like a certain genre. People's perceptions of minimal are so different according to their influences too, as stated minimal can incorporate anything from Maurizio to Jeff Samuel right through to Mika Vaiino, from ultra glitchy, micro house like Akufen to linear, looping, hypnotic Mike Parker records, it's all good

[Tyrisia]

that "Registry Check" ep on Klickhaus is meant to be wikid *wink wink nudge nudge*

haha, yeah mate, I already have, and I do quite like it, I remember seeing the Hawtin clip posted on youtube with him playin it, well done.

Some of the stuff I'm findin is great actually, 2000 and One - Pak Pak, what a tune. I'm likin the deep druggy feel to that one, I know it strictly ain't minimal, but it's good.

[Jay Pace]

2000 and one is quality, one of my favourites.

I still play Get Down a lot. And Funk That / Freak That.

[loopdon]

Some other names: Trentemoeller, Stephan Bodzin..

[Tyrisia]

well it's actually a total find I got whilst searching youtube for Hawtin vids, someone named a tune from a Timewarp Hawtin clip. I shall be lookin into his stuff more, he seems to be on the mark.

[Tyrisia]

Some other names: Trentemoeller, Stephan Bodzin..

Cool, I'll look into those as well Loopdon :)

[eyeswithoutaface]

my personal fave is Stewart Walker, absolutely stunning tracks, more so old skool minial techno than the new "mnml" hehe but great production, amazing ear for melody the whole lot. Love it

on the more mnml tip definately Tim and Camea are up there at the moment, they have a really good tough but still minimal sound going on, as does Tony Rohr and Inside Out. Other faves include Akufen, Franco Cangelli, Sutekh, Mike Parker and on the more detroit/minimal tip Deep Chord, Convextion, Stinkworx.

[aallvor]

+1 Stewart Walker. Also check out Geoff White, he's done a split album with S. Walker, Discord, amazing record.

[Tyrisia]

my personal fave is Stewart Walker, absolutely stunning tracks, more so old skool minial techno than the new "mnml" hehe but great production, amazing ear for melody the whole lot. Love it

on the more mnml tip definately Tim and Camea are up there at the moment, they have a really good tough but still minimal sound going on, as does Tony Rohr and Inside Out. Other faves include Akufen, Franco Cangelli, Sutekh, Mike Parker and on the more detroit/minimal tip Deep Chord, Convextion, Stinkworx.

Cheers dude, that's a great list of stuff to check, I can see myself being pretty skint by the end of the day with all these names to look up :)

[eyeswithoutaface]

god yeah forgot about Geoff White, he's done some amazing records. Naughty me

[mattboyslim]

If you haven't already - check out claro intellecto and andy stott.

There's a sound out there that I hear every now and again and I think "thats the future" but I've never heare more than a few snatches here and there. Frustrating, but at least some people are pushing something.... there's gems out there...yes mate!!!

caught them at sonar. lovely stuff. was a modern love afternoon. miles played a blinder before. ended up booking him for my night on the spot

he's playing for us in october if anyone is interested

[Jay Pace]

Yeah I was there for Sonar! That was awesome, best music I heard all festival to be honest.

You booked them through kinetic? Was considering getting them down next year. Where's your night Matt?

[teknorich]

"The other is this "mnml" stuff that's floating around a lot, which to me sounds like what they used to call "Click House". Which is actually pretty complex and intricate but uses very tiny little clicky and blippy noises compressed to buggery. A great example of the sound is Akufen. It has its moments, but I'm not a massive fan."

That seems waaaaaaaaaaayyy out of date to me. The whole Akufen, clicky thing was years back. Minimal now is generally more of a tech-house sound, or m-nus records style bleeps. Even some tougher stuff with the likes of Adam Beyer, Tim Xavier, Camea etc putting a more techno sound into it. A lot of variety under one umbrella term.

[mattboyslim]

Yeah I was there for Sonar! That was awesome, best music I heard all festival to be honest.

You booked them through kinetic? Was considering getting them down next year. Where's your night Matt?
I booked Miles direct. only got him so far, but I'd like to bring them all down for a Modern Love showcase in a few months.
Our night is in Nottingham. Currently 2nd Saturdays at Moog on newdigate Street, and soon a second, bigger party at igloo on Lower Parliament Street, on the 3rd Friday

[TechMouse]

The whole Akufen, clicky thing was years back. Minimal now is generally more of a tech-house sound, or m-nus records style bleeps. Even some tougher stuff with the likes of Adam Beyer, Tim Xavier, Camea etc putting a more techno sound into it. A lot of variety under one umbrella term.
I know, but I still don't find it particularly minimal.

Someone just mentioned Trentemoeller, who I actually quite like but is pretty far from minimal. I'd go so far as to use the word "complex".

[loopdon]

I mentioned him. I know what you mean. Not really minimal composition wise.
He makes use of typical minimal techniques, though (?), say shortened hits etc., white noise sounds, crispy percs.. so and some tracks are ****in great so i gave him a mention.

[TechMouse]

Absolutely agree, he's typical of what I would call "mnml". And he's a better example than most.

[dan the acid man]

like others have already metioned, minimal used to be about using the bare minimum of sounds, but keeping your attention by constantly evolving these sounds with automated effects.

Nowadays alot of minimal is more about using clicky noises, but anything that encourages more thought, more funk and more intelligent use of effects is good by me.

I've always found peace divison to be great at this

[mr acid]

In my opinion, labeling techno is not a simple thing to do but I'll give it a go (and I don't want to be considered a purist at all!!).

The stuff wolfgang voigt did on Studio 1 was really wonderful. The 10 releases were edited between 1995 and 1997. Would recommend them for sure.

Again, it is hard to label sub-genres. I prefer to call it "techno made with diferent components, etc etc"

[Metacognition]

Check out Gaiser & Guido Schneider for how the "mnml" stuff should be done properly. Especially tracks from a year or so ago. Whatever the EP with "Egress" and "Pandrip" is called. "And Answer" that was it. Amazing. Bought two copies.

I'd also cite Monolake in with a lot of the first group. Very Basic Channel influenced, which is a good thing.

In fact, I'd be very pleased if anybody could point me in the direction of anything similar.

[Metacognition]

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/204261-01.htm&highlight=gaiser

Pandrip & Egress.

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/1228961-02.htm&highlight=guido%20schneider

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/194987-01.htm&highlight=guido%20schneider

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/173555-01.htm&highlight=guido%20schneider

These are all firmly in the housey end of the camp, but please check out Guido's remix of the Dub Kult thing... tis amazing. Exactly how this should be done.

[Metacognition]

http://www.juno.co.uk/products/225843-01.htm&highlight=guido%20schneider

Also "Too Many Voices". I bought the entire album for this one track.

[stjohn]

that gaiser ep on M_nus is the exact blippy bloppy nonsense that will usher mnml to an early grave!


some of guido schneider is nice tho

[maily]

I'd also cite Monolake in with a lot of the first group. Very Basic Channel influenced, which is a good thing.

i'd have to say that the most interesting thing i've seen which fit's within the minimal banner was seeing monolake do his live thing at bloc, there was loads of minimal stuff there but most of it was pretty dull!

but since i've been looking for sets of his to listen to none of them have grabbed me like seeing it live did. I think a big part of that was actually being able to watch him obviously loving what he was doing, totally infectious.

[Metacognition]

Gaiser & Guido Schneider are perfect examples of the "mnml" thing done properly, in my book.

Dub Kult - "On & On" (Guido Schneider remix) goes off if played at the right time.

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF173555-01-02-01.mp3

As do these two, also by Guido...

http://www.junodownload.com/artists/Sammy+%2526+Guido+Schneider+Dee/releases/

Todd Bodine - "Codebreaker"

http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF256470-01-01-01.mp3

[Metacognition]

Me in "already posting the same thing months ago" shocker.

Still I love Gaiser. And Guido Schneider. As well as Monolake.

So there.

[rhythmtech]

i love techno thats minimal.. i dont particularly like "mnml"

[Jay Pace]

+1

I like minimalism

Not so mad on over processed over shuffled cartoon fests.

[DannyBlack]

You should hear the cack down here man. Brutal. MASSIVE build ups that just stop and then back into this stripped out peice of Hawtin shite. Minimal sucks donkey balls.

[mattboyslim]

just as funky house neve really was funky, mnml has so much going on, where exactly is the 'space'? anyway, enough talk of music we hate. is there anything out there you love?

personaly i'm still digging Hood Music 3 and Move-D - Drone on Modern Love

[DannyBlack]

at the moment I'm loving the funkier side of techno, BarryTech, RDR (the inspectors), Ignition technician and a lot of old school techno.
Also Dubstep, Ragga and Jungle. Good times! :dance: oh and I'm playing my guitar and singing a bit now too, haven't in a while.

[Degenerate I]

Hey Bro's,


Check out Reboot, Seth Troxler, Prompt, RadioSlave, Danton Eeprom, Dj FEX, Agnes, Chaton, Dachshund, Raudive, & Boris Brejcha for a few!

[DannyBlack]

I'm yet to find any minimal that I like. It lacks soul completely. I'm sure there are someout there (somewhere) that are passionate about it and will make some truley astounding... ah who am I kidding. Minimal is craptastic.

[teknorich]

Check out the Marek Bois (aka Dapayk) remix on this one:

http://www.bm-soho.com/store/cesare/vs/disordermoody/londoner/ep

Still pretty slow etc, but it's got nuts!

(can't listen to the sample in work, so am hoping it's caught the build up part...)

[BloodStar]

'mnml' sucks. minimalistic approach rocks. ;-)

[Degenerate I]

I'm yet to find any minimal that I like. It lacks soul completely. I'm sure there are someout there (somewhere) that are passionate about it and will make some truley astounding... ah who am I kidding. Minimal is craptastic.

Anna - Schwarzes Gold
Worthy - Work the Walls (Yankee Zulu Remix)
Trentemoller - Nam Nam EP / Polar Shift
Seth Troxler - Love Spray
Wighnomy Bros - Pele Bloss
Da Fresh - A night at the beach (DJ Fex remix)

Make the same statement above after tasting a bit of this minimal on a big system...

[DannyBlack]

checkin em out now matey!

[DannyBlack]

Anna - Schwarzes Gold
Worthy - Work the Walls (Yankee Zulu Remix)
Trentemoller - Nam Nam EP / Polar Shift
Seth Troxler - Love Spray
Wighnomy Bros - Pele Bloss
Da Fresh - A night at the beach (DJ Fex remix)

Make the same statement above after tasting a bit of this minimal on a big system...

Scwarez Gold- has a bit of a Gech Noch in it. And a Neill Armstrong sample, ouch...
Work the walls- aint so bad at all, nice and funky and the sub bass is appreciated! :-) . The original is god awful though.
Nam Nam EP- there is too much nothing going on in that track.
Love Spray- I love the pure rawness of this track, but again it is let down by going nowhere at all.
Pele Bloss- a complete hark back to Acid house and on that basis I like this track. Splendid.
A night at the beach- I'm really not feeling this track at all.

I guess I just don't understand it at all. My opinion is pretty biased too I guess, we are force fed minimal down our way.

[Degenerate I]

Scwarez Gold- has a bit of a Gech Noch in it. And a Neill Armstrong sample, ouch...
Work the walls- aint so bad at all, nice and funky and the sub bass is appreciated! :-) . The original is god awful though.
Nam Nam EP- there is too much nothing going on in that track.
Love Spray- I love the pure rawness of this track, but again it is let down by going nowhere at all.
Pele Bloss- a complete hark back to Acid house and on that basis I like this track. Splendid.
A night at the beach- I'm really not feeling this track at all.

I guess I just don't understand it at all. My opinion is pretty biased too I guess, we are force fed minimal down our way.

haha, that Armstrong sample is awful and completely useless in an otherwise great track (my subjective opinion of course)...

check:

Samuel L.Session - Can you relate
Sami Koivikko - Keskus
Minilogue - Elephants Parade
Tiefschwarz - Lionel
Stephan Bodzin - Treibsand
Efdemin - Just a Track
Itamar Sagi - Black Gold
Louderbach - Grace (Anxiety)
Heartthrob - Baby Kate


Hope you enjoy them!

[Jay Pace]

I'm yet to find any minimal that I like. It lacks soul completely.

Its a loose category though.

If you use mnml to describe stupid shuffly cartoon stuff then yeah, its not all that. But thats more the fault of the djs playing it, who in turn are doing it because crowds like it.

Check out Audion. I always like that side of things. Got a bit of a rave feel, and a bit of brutality iin the production.

Few of my faves:
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF148227-01-01-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF148227-01-02-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF233143-01-01-01.mp3
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF162641-01-01-01.mp3

[DannyBlack]

What is Alex Bau? I have a hard on for his stuff.

[The_Laughing_Man]

Like all music there is good and bad mnml
Some DJ`s and producers just jumped straight on it to follow the cash, others make it with some true heart and mind.

Production wise you really have to have the skills to get it right.
It is music that totally comes to life on a soundsystem if done properly.
It`s the technicians choice of music, and some of it can be very sexy and soulful, but yeah, there is plenty of style over subtance shite too.
Much like the childish dick waving of schranze "who can be the hardest"
There is the foppish technical equivalent "who can be the most minimal"

Neither make for good music.

[Metacognition]

that gaiser ep on M_nus is the exact blippy bloppy nonsense that will usher mnml to an early grave!


some of guido schneider is nice tho


On the contrary; I think Pandrip is ****ing genius, and Egress is pretty much the best example of the lighter side of it I have found.

[Metacognition]

I'm yet to find any minimal that I like. It lacks soul completely. I'm sure there are someout there (somewhere) that are passionate about it and will make some truley astounding... ah who am I kidding. Minimal is craptastic.


Check those links I posted earlier in teh thread.

Dub Kult - "Bip" (Guido Schneider remix)

end of. it goes off... played it in various contexts.

[Metacognition]

For the record, I love this stuff, but have still never heard it on a "big system".

(The same, incidentally, can be said of psy-trance).

[Jay Pace]

minimal comes into its own on big systems

Less endless shuffly blops and FX - crystal clear sound seperation, lush powerful bass and relentless driving grooves.

But, by big I mean good, and by minimal I mean good records played by someone who knows what they're doing. Getting the hatrick can be tricky...