industrial techno

[detfella]

any good forums & mp3 shops for industrial techno out there?

[ds2]

any good forums & mp3 shops for industrial techno out there?


buy some decks you tight cnt :briggin:
there's loads of good free downloads about, i'll send you some links tomorrow.

emergence forum's the best one, i'll pm you the link.

[Aratron]

same here any one know of any industrial techno artists - hardcore stuff. not that nancy boy bollox.

[dirty_bass]

What the hell is industrial techno anyway?
A lot fo people seem to think the crappy distorted clangy stuff is industrial, but it falls so far away from the industrial ethic it`s unreal.

Explain more by what you mean?

The Birmingham Sound?
The Hymen/Ant-Zen sound?

[detfella]

buy some decks you tight cnt :briggin:
there's loads of good free downloads about, i'll send you some links tomorrow.

emergence forum's the best one, i'll pm you the link.

i never sold them! just never use them anymore, cheers for link ds :)

[Sunil]

What the hell is industrial techno anyway?
A lot fo people seem to think the crappy distorted clangy stuff is industrial, but it falls so far away from the industrial ethic it`s unreal.

Explain more by what you mean?

The Birmingham Sound?
The Hymen/Ant-Zen sound?

Why not just answer his question instead of being ****in' anal about it?
Sorry man, but will you just jump down off your high horse. Everyone knows you know about industrial music, get over yourself.

You were right in your questions to Detfella, i.e. Birmingham/Ant Zen - they are good overall inidicators of "industrial techno". You know this, we all know this... that's industrial techno; no question required.

In some ways I'm sorry to have made a personal attack at you like this, you are one of the best contributors to BOA, but also one of the worst too in my opinion.

Yeah, the Emergence forum is definitely the place to check out industrial stuff and tips. One label I really like is Keller Musik, some of the earlier releases were a more heavy jacking style, but have gradually become a bit more crunchy and industrial... I like their buzz anyway - I think there might be a bit of a link between them and Zhark, who are on a darker and perhaps less dancefloor style.

[DannyBlack]

Tomash Gee does some metallic clangy sounding techno. Try Andreas Kreamer too. Dunno if this is what you mean, but some good stuff anyway!

[dirty_bass]

I honestly didn`t know what he means, the word industrial is so ambiguous, a lot of people call the hardcore - crossbones sound industrial. 3rd from etc.

Then the black polar neckers call the birmingham sound industrial.

then you have the idm crowd calling stuff like motor, hekate, morgenstern etc (ant-zen and their stuff) industrial.

all of which are totally different types of music.

Some people simply use the word industrial to describe anything with metal clanking and a bit of distortion.

Knowing Detfella is a man into a diverse amount of music erring on the gnarly side of things, I thought I`d clarify what he was looking for before pointing him in a direction.

but hey ho, lecture duly noted.

[Sunil]

Some people simply use the word industrial to describe anything with metal clanking and a bit of distortion.

Knowing Detfella is a man into a diverse amount of music erring on the gnarly side of things, I thought I`d clarify what he was looking for before pointing him in a direction.

but hey ho, lecture duly noted.

Yeah I see your point there; I think there's a good chance he shared a similar outlook of industrial techno too though. Anyway..

[DannyBlack]

Wetworks, Bradlee and the concrete DJz. check em out man.

[FuK-NuT]

industrial techno / hardcore cross ie 130 bpm to 170'ish :-
manu le malin
terror fakt
peaky pounder
rude awakenings
jamie ball on third movement
dj joystick
dj earthquake
the flying lurinskys aka dan monox n micheal forshaw
producer (sumtimes)
hellfish (sumtimes)
mascon and them belgium lot
joshua

etc etc


lables :-
bloc46
46 recordings
highway 46
industrial strength
genosha
miditonal

etc

this is of coarse wot i see as having an industrial element...

ive also erd industrial in other genre's...but your askin fer techno, so happy hunting... ;)

[dirty_bass]

And my point about the ambiguity of the word industrial becomes apparent.

It`s almost as ambigious as the word Techno.

not quite though.

[eyeswithoutaface]

easy Sunil mate, a little OTT there, the term industrial is very ambigious indeed, i would never call the birmingham sound industrial techno, infact ive never heard anyone call it industrial, seriously, i've always just regarded it as uk techno, brum techno at worst

i would of placed alot more of the artists that Fuknut has listed as industrial techno, but granted they are on the more hardcore/core side of things

check out David F's Broken Rules alias, sick hardcore

[dirty_bass]

That`s the point though, the birmingham sound probably in terms of direct influence and ethic, is the closest thing to the original Industrial Music of the late 70`s/early 80`s, that incidently partly originated in birmingham.

So to me, I would call this industrial techno.

buuuuuut, not everyone realises or thinks the same way, as industrial is a word that has been adopted by many now.

hence my original reply.

[eyeswithoutaface]

That`s the point though, the birmingham sound probably in terms of direct influence and ethic, is the closest thing to the original Industrial Music of the late 70`s/early 80`s, that incidently partly originated in birmingham.

So to me, I would call this industrial techno.

buuuuuut, not everyone realises or thinks the same way, as industrial is a word that has been adopted by many now.

hence my original reply.

exactly, whilst knowing the origins of the brum sound and the influences behind it, throbbing gristle, mick harris etc etc, i still wouldnt of called it Industrial techno, to me its just a classic era of uk techno, hence the ambiguity

the wonderful, confusing, annoying world of techno rumbles on

[detfella]

didnt know that was a question for me, wasnt really looking for a niche range, prefer a wide focus. that forum looks good though. nice wan :D

[Sunil]

i would never call the birmingham sound industrial techno, infact ive never heard anyone call it industrial

Sure thing Scott ;)



check out David F's Broken Rules alias, sick hardcore

Yeah, I like his stuff alright...

[Sunil]

And my point about the ambiguity of the word industrial becomes apparent.

It`s almost as ambigious as the word Techno.

not quite though.

Ok, I see what you were getting at a bit more now, maybe I was hasty in some of what I said in my reply. Still though, surely it's not too hard for us to simplify what the few broad categories of industrial techno are, especially as it's not hardcore or straighter hard techno we're talking about. So: Birmingham, Ant-Zen type, and the Terence Fixmer/Adam X styled stuff... A lot of these people still crossover into making very similar stuff too, but overall there's probably three main 'camps' style wise I guess...

[Martin Dust]

throbbing gristle,

TG invented it and was originally designed to be music for factory workers, that's what the original idea was.

We use and work with this music a lot, try our two mixes :) Not hard and not tied to any bpm but musick to werk to...We use this kind of stuff to escape from the traps you can fall into while making music and listening to others.


*The Black Dog - You Are Strange 2 Mix*
1. æo³ - Autechre & The Hafler Trio - Die Stadt http://www.discogs.com/release/485665
2. 20 Jazz Funk Greats - Throbbing Gristle - Fetish Records http://www.discogs.com/release/328130
3. Suhteellinen - Pan Sonic - Blast First Petite - http://www.discogs.com/release/965576
4. Freak ‘N’ You - Matmos - FatCat Records - http://www.discogs.com/release/13035
5. Sluggin Fer Jesus - Cabaret Voltaire - Normal - http://www.discogs.com/release/186270
6. Darkware - Cloaks - Werk Discs - http://www.discogs.com/release/966770
7. Spaceape - Kode9 & SpaceApe - Hyperdub http://www.discogs.com/release/806612
8. Floods v3.1 - The Black Dog (The Bass Soldier Rework) - Soma http://www.somarecords.com

http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/tbd/download-manager.php?id=13

[dirty_bass]

TG invented it and was originally designed to be music for factory workers, that's what the original idea was.

We use and work with this music a lot, try our two mixes :) Not hard and not tied to any bpm but musick to werk to...We use this kind of stuff to escape from the traps you can fall into while making music and listening to others.


*The Black Dog - You Are Strange 2 Mix*
1. æo³ - Autechre & The Hafler Trio - Die Stadt http://www.discogs.com/release/485665
2. 20 Jazz Funk Greats - Throbbing Gristle - Fetish Records http://www.discogs.com/release/328130
3. Suhteellinen - Pan Sonic - Blast First Petite - http://www.discogs.com/release/965576
4. Freak ‘N’ You - Matmos - FatCat Records - http://www.discogs.com/release/13035
5. Sluggin Fer Jesus - Cabaret Voltaire - Normal - http://www.discogs.com/release/186270
6. Darkware - Cloaks - Werk Discs - http://www.discogs.com/release/966770
7. Spaceape - Kode9 & SpaceApe - Hyperdub http://www.discogs.com/release/806612
8. Floods v3.1 - The Black Dog (The Bass Soldier Rework) - Soma http://www.somarecords.com

http://www.dogsquad.co.uk/tbd/download-manager.php?id=13

Now that`s industrious

[RDR]

And my point about the ambiguity of the word industrial becomes apparent.

It`s almost as ambigious as the word Techno.

not quite though.


Exactly

woo wooo woo.. call the genre police!

Wetworks, concrete djz? industrial????

I like the guys but they're NOT industrial by any means.

Industrial? The sounds of industry.

A lot of what people are calling industrial is the sound that umek, vath, hell and almost everyone else was playing out circa 1992-1997 and that just got called techno.

Techno IS whatever people call it RIGHT NOW

[JamieBall]

Why not just answer his question instead of being ****in' anal about it?
Sorry man, but will you just jump down off your high horse. Everyone knows you know about industrial music, get over yourself.


Hahaha. Sunil takes a FLAWLESS VICTORY !

Or a "perfect" for the SF2 afficionados out there.

Industrial is whatever the **** you want it to be.

Just because you can't trace the roots of a project to ****ing Throbbing Gristle or bloody Birmingham (where I'm from, btw, and don't never ever hear me harping on about it) don't make it any less 'industrial'.

Not everything has to have a 'future music' production either. Who CARES if it's just pure noise, if you don't like it don't listen - why write stuff off or slag it cause it doesn't fit into your (blinkered) view of a genre.

GRRRR I hate the music 'scene' sometimes haha. What pisses me off even more are people who are 'purists' or look down on other kinds of music to their own. I love ALL good music, fact. If I like something I like it, it doesn't have to have the right 'roots' or whatever. In fact, most if not all of the music I listen to is REALLY ****ING UNCOOL and VERY COMMERCIAL. Sometimes you don't wanna fanny about in the sandpit in your garden, sometimes you wanna go to DISNEYLAND - ya get me ?

Off yaz go and pidgeonhole something else now...

I leave here, once again, more irritated than when I arrived. Sigh.

[DannyBlack]

Wetworks, concrete djz? industrial????



you picking holes again chris? il fight ya. what i mean is, they have this unique kinda flavour, a kinda grimey crunchie evil eerie kinda sound that I personally associate with the word industrial.

everyone has their own idea of what it is, and of course they're all right- what do i know? how many records do i have pressed? how many big names are playing my stuff? none, there for- i know nothing.

[RDR]

you picking holes again chris? il fight ya. what i mean is, they have this unique kinda flavour, a kinda grimey crunchie evil eerie kinda sound that I personally associate with the word industrial.

everyone has their own idea of what it is, and of course they're all right- what do i know? how many records do i have pressed? how many big names are playing my stuff? none, there for- i know nothing.

Dont mess with the 'Dyson' boy, my rep is best when i come from the west.

[p_brane]

What pisses me off even more are people who are 'purists' or look down on other kinds of music to their own. I love ALL good music, fact. If I like something I like it, it doesn't have to have the right 'roots' or whatever. In fact, most if not all of the music I listen to is REALLY ****ING UNCOOL and VERY COMMERCIAL. Sometimes you don't wanna fanny about in the sandpit in your garden, sometimes you wanna go to DISNEYLAND - ya get me ?


dang right mate,

btw that black dog mix is ****in marvelous:cheese:

[BRADLEE]

Hahaha. Sunil takes a FLAWLESS VICTORY !

Or a "perfect" for the SF2 afficionados out there.

Industrial is whatever the **** you want it to be.

Just because you can't trace the roots of a project to ****ing Throbbing Gristle or bloody Birmingham (where I'm from, btw, and don't never ever hear me harping on about it) don't make it any less 'industrial'.

Not everything has to have a 'future music' production either. Who CARES if it's just pure noise, if you don't like it don't listen - why write stuff off or slag it cause it doesn't fit into your (blinkered) view of a genre.

GRRRR I hate the music 'scene' sometimes haha. What pisses me off even more are people who are 'purists' or look down on other kinds of music to their own. I love ALL good music, fact. If I like something I like it, it doesn't have to have the right 'roots' or whatever. In fact, most if not all of the music I listen to is REALLY ****ING UNCOOL and VERY COMMERCIAL. Sometimes you don't wanna fanny about in the sandpit in your garden, sometimes you wanna go to DISNEYLAND - ya get me ?

Off yaz go and pidgeonhole something else now...

I leave here, once again, more irritated than when I arrived. Sigh.

:BigThumbUp:

[dirty_bass]

I think this entire thread has proved my point entirely.
Everyone has a different take on what industrial techno is.
Apology accepted.

[The Overfiend]

Industrial is the theme song to laverne and shirley cause they are in a beer factory.

[dirty_bass]

I thought it was techno made my chinese children, in china, in US sponsored slave camps.
I mean, factories of course. nothing like wearing a nice brandname threaded with the sweat of the exploited.
Yay!!!!

[detfella]

I think this entire thread has proved my point entirely.
Everyone has a different take on what industrial techno is.
Apology accepted.

yeah but you can apply that across any genre/term, everyone has their own take on things. somedays people say don't pigeon hole other days people want smaller and smaller boxes.