dj licence hahaha

[miromiric.]

friend told me to buy myself newspapers cause there was the wildest article about djing EVER! i m gonna translate it so you can all laugh/gimme your thoughts about that.



"Croatian union of djs was founded recently in Zagreb, which will, in their own words, make some order in the world of djs. At this moment djs in all the clubs are being populated, who soon won`t be able to play without the contract.



With this Union we want to make quality djs and everything bring to another level. We`re gonna educate begginers, start lessons about mixing, scratching and remixing old hit-tunes and production, and we`ll find them gigs. Psychological approach is important, how to force the crowd to except your musical choice and enjoy it at the sam time.Ofcourse, after the course is solved, djs will get their work license.



Students will have to create all-night program & put together gramophone. Experienced & already established dj-s r going to be excused from test & they ll get their licence based on their previous work . Whole story , as told by Željko Farkaš, is going to be on the national level , with a support of goverment .the Union starts with work at the beginning of next year & it will be situated in tresnjevka zg.





We are gonna publish so young dj are gonna get their first cds out. We`re gonna organize contest on regional and state level, while the best ones will participate on world contests. We plan cooperation with some world famous names and seminars with them."

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rest is irellevant bullshit, i don`t feel like translating anymore



hahahahahahahha what a pile of crap! who are they to decide who`s gonna get a license and who don`t? this roxy guy was i think member of some dance group few years ago, some retard on charlie, who thinks he knows something about music.



how can someone get such an idea? what do you say guyz, what`s the situtaion in your corner of the world?

[z0ki]

interesting concept..but doesn anyone really care for it to work.....maybe that just had too much rakija...



-z

[DJPAUZE]

Im going to beg to differ. I would like to see an idea like this implemented into the scene, hey why not?

If you have a large group of people vote on who is to be the judges of these "SO CALLED" licenses then i think its great!!! You can weez out the djs who just plain suck!!!

In the country where i live, Brazil, there are a mountain of djs that are at a really high level in the club scene. They play almost every day and make mountains of money and enjoy great fame world wide. Do you think they really deserve this? Calling themselves a dj if they cant even put two decks together!!!!!!!

I think its an insult to all djs who have good music and practise everyday to see someone play at a higher level than them at clubs and raves.

Image if you could go for a test, get a high level ranking and get support to put our your own cds, get gigs at bigger clubs and start to make back some of that money we all desperately spend on records.

Anyhow thats my opinion let's hear some more!!!!!!!!

[michealbr0ke]

it could be a nice idea i think, if the dj's get judged fairly no matter what connections they've got.. it would def. make some new talent come up i believe..

[z0ki]

if this was done in nyc...the dj would bever be judged fairly..



it always about who you know...not what you know...

skills are meaningless...



-z

[krakp0t]

sounds well meaning but only the crap djs would get in anyway.

[miromiric.]

that`s all good, but what this freak is trying is to decide who will play and who will not. i think the crowd will decide wheter you`ll play or not.

this licenses would cost ofcourse.......

i mean, come on, how can someone rate art?!

[eyes without a face]

haha wot a stupid idea. if a Dj is good they are good, and they deserve to be able to play music when and where they want

[michealbr0ke]

so you need a license to spin at a club... hehe

[DJPAUZE]

im going to bring this topic back up to the top of the board in hopes that mr mark eg will give us a piece of his mind.

I gave you a well thought out answer and no one seems to be backing there answers with good research.

come on mark lets here it!!!!



Pauze

[miromiric.]

pauze, noone is going to support u just on basis of your dj skills. and noone shouldn`t really, in my opinion. only way to start playing in clubs is to release records.

and i really don`t want to be judged by some arsehole who know @#%$ about any kind of music!



zoki, where are u from?

[z0ki]

born in sibenik....



-z

[DJPAUZE]

hey miromimic or whatever your name is. Are you a dj? Can you tell when someone is a good dj or not? Well if you are a dj the chances are that you know when someone is making a bad mix or has no feel for the tracks that they are mixing.

The person who gets to judge who is good and who is not should be a specialist in that field.

If we can all agree that Dave Clarke is a good dj, and Cristian Varela is a good dj, and Mark EG is a good dj, and Dave the Drummer is a good dj.

Then why cant there be a higher power to help us out all of the weasels who cant mix worth a nickel and play everywhere?

And i will have to disagree on that point about you need to have releases to play out.

You need to ROCK to play out. If you are good, and have good beats, you will definately hit the decks in clubs and raves.

I dont have a record released, take a look at my homepage at my booking schedule of when i arrived in brazil. www.djpauze.hpg.com.br



Cheers

Pauze

[miromiric.]

ok, i respect your point of view, but i personally don`t want anyone to push me on the scene. if i never get out of my bedroom with my records that`s fine by me. if i`ll be the only person playin` my tunes - fine by me.

[Adverse]

Pauze: If you can show me one person in this world (nevermind one for each country or however it would be organized geographically) who can be completely objective. I'll side with you.



Are we supposed to have 'dave clarke cristian varela mark eg and dave the drummer' in every club, every week cause we (read: you) deem they are the good dj's? To be frank, that is ubsurd and to imagine myself standing in front of a panel of COMPLETELY objective people to be as to whether i can be APPROVED to play is preposterous. how could you even drum up criteria. ugh. elitism.



*note* all those dj's are good (in my opinion) I was just stressing a point.

[DJPAUZE]

I understand what you are trying to say. It probably isnt doable at all.

I just think that its a terrible life out there trying to do promotion for yourself if your an up and coming dj. If like his article says you would be able to get this so called "License", and they would provide you with full support, doing cds and getting gigs in clubs, that seems like a pretty okay deal to me.

One of the hardest things as a dj is getting all those contacts together, as well as, scroundging to find money after you have bought all those records to get a demo cd together.

Your killing multiple birds with one stone here in my opinion.

*and yes i know this is one far fetched idea but i think its different and why not try and make it happen*

[miromiric.]

you don`t see the other side of the coin here. what would happen to folks who DIDN`T get the license? "sorry dude, you can`t play cause u don`t have a dj-card."

someone who plays unique music, something that has never been heard before, probably would`t get that piece of paper, don`t u think? that suckz!



btw. that roxy guy was on TV confronting one of the local producers/djs and everyone pissed on him

[DJPAUZE]

piss on him or not, im giving you my valid say on your topic man. You posted and i quote.

"how can someone get such an idea? what do you say guyz, what`s the situtaion in your corner of the world?"

i gave you my input, I THINK ITS A FANDY DANDY IDEA. If it can help me than im ALL FOR putting in a dj license.

I play a fair bit here so im not in too much hot water to get boookings, but if when i was living in Toronto, someone approached me on this idea, i would go for it like it was no tommorow.

Lemme paint a picture for ya. "A young guy with a demo tape running around a rave to find the promoter, who will take the tape and do one of two things with it.1) walk up to the dj booth and give it to some girl sitting on the step.2)Walk to the nearest trashbin, and ditch it.

Now if my dj license goverment was on the case, full promotion and if i was really good. I wouldnt have to run after people with my tapes. Id let my dj union take care of business.

Makes sense doesnt it?

[Adverse]

sorry but what's the difference between what you are saying and having an agent?

[DJPAUZE]

well having an agent, A GOOD agent, would mean you would have to have production work done in most cases. Most of the good agencies wont take you in, unless you have a name already.

The difference is that this government might be able to help you get gigs based only on if you have a dj license.

And yes an agency is a good idea but good luck getting in.

[dJpZ]

mhuaaaa , oh guys, where are we going?????¿¿¿¿

[dJpZ]

heh old post

[Patrick DSP]

my god. reading this old thread is funny

frank, you sound like an ass.

HAHAHAHA. my how thing change/don't change over a years time.

[dan the acid man]

i must have missed this post :doh: :oops:

[dan the acid man]

:oops: :oops: not surprised when it was posted in 2002 :oops: :oops:

[Si the Sigh]

D'oh! :doh:

[Dustin Zahn]

I'm sorry...but being a bad-ass behind the decks and putting out some of the best techno records in years still won't get you a ton of class A gigs. It takes much more than being a producer these days unfortunately. It's all about who you know...and what lengths you are willing to go to get gigs.

If you pay attention to the techno "scene" you'll see that a lot of these big techno producers that are being charted every month by tons of DJ are lucky to play once or twice a month. Take Hardcell for instance. You don't have to enjoy his music to agree that he is currently hot shit among techno DJs worldwide. He only plays a couple times a month at most sometimes. There are tons of other examples.

It's getting increasingly harder to get anywhere in this scene. You really have to question if its worth it. If you come to the conclusion that it is...then get out there and meet people. Make connections, throw some shows. Trade DJs back and fourth between promoters.

These stupid ****in' DJ unions will only cut you out of the spotlight even quicker than before. If this were the case here in America...it would just be used as another tool to jail or fine us. "Oh...DJing at house party without a union card? Sir...you're under arrest."

This is a scene where the true heads usually don't get what they deserve. It's a terrible thing, but you have to suck it up and deal with it.

[Agent Orange NYC]

This is funny to me cause my friend and I were recently joking around about how there should be a dj's union set up. There are too many people calling themselves dj's, when they should be calling themselves "record collectors" or these days "music industry rip-off MP3 downloaders."

They give hard-working dj's a bad name and make a mockery of the art.

Kinda like the DJ Skribble doll (if you know what I'm talking about!) - Ara

[miromiric.]

this union didnt do anything except annoucing they will make something. its been a year now and they are very quiet. i guess its cause the president of the union didnt learn how to beatmatch yet. believe it or not, but its true!

[Patrick]

I think it's a ridiculous idea to propose licensing DJs. I mean, how can you license one form of making music, or one instrument i.e turntables ? If you do that you have to license everything for it to be fair. So no more playing guitar or drums without a license. And no more playing violins or oboes either. You there, stop waving that baton. Have you got a license for that thing ?
It's also hard as **** for people in bands to get attention, but nobody would propose licensing them to help people get gigs, would they ? :dontevengothere:

[gumpy green]

good idea but could never see it working...


if your good enuf youll shine throught neway........

[Dustin Zahn]

restricting art is the first step towards destroying it.

[tekku7181]

i want a license to ILL :cool:

[crime]

If you pay attention to the techno "scene" you'll see that a lot of these big techno producers that are being charted every month by tons of DJ are lucky to play once or twice a month. Take Hardcell for instance. You don't have to enjoy his music to agree that he is currently hot shit among techno DJs worldwide. He only plays a couple times a month at most sometimes.

This is so true, and it's very easy for people in their bedrooms bemoaning their lots that they never get anywhere without actually realising the amount of hard work it takes to get a gig or two a month.. Gigs don't just appear from you having a few tunes out. you have to make the effort, plug yourself, send out promo material, network with people, and basically be so on the case that it actually takes up all your time and effort, and to be honest, it's still hard to make ends meet. it's the hard work and commitment that is most important i.e. not getting smashed every weekend so you can be in the studio or office on Monday morning to do what work needs doing. And even if you see someone who you think doesn't deserve to be there really doing it, getting somewhere, remember this: 1% inspiration 99% perspiration.. it's the dedication that gets people noticed. Obviously you have to have a certain amount of talent, but if there's no motivation nothings ever going to happen, you have to believe in your ability 100% and really push yourself, and dedicate your whole life to it. I barely make a living out of what I do, hopefully, the couple of Label projects I have on the go will prove to be fruitful enough for me to continue with what I'm doing, but the whole thing is a struggle, it's a mix of talent, lucky breaks, and sheer hard work..
Sorry for the long post here, but for the past 6 years this thing has been my whole life, I've worked my ass off, and acheived a lot more than i ever expected, so obviously I feel quite passionate about the whole thing, and have an opinion about it..

In regard to Miro's original post, and DJ Pauze's reactions, I can totally see where Miro is coming from, and I think, Pauze, it's a nice idea, but how many professional DJs/Producers can the scene support? It's like all the DJ courses at colleges that started appearing a few years back, everyone wants to be a DJ, being the guy up there, making it happen, but what people forget is how hard it is to get to that point, where you are guesting at clubs abroad. There is no easy route, and there has to be people there, who are into it on a hobby level, to support the scene, after all, these are the people who buy the records, and pay to get into the clubs, they are the life blood of the scene.. The majority will never make it past that, and there's nothing wrong with that (I don't want to come across like "I'm there, you're not"!), but it's all about commitment.. It's like climbing everest, some people will visit base camp, but only the very few make it to the top. If you truely believe in yourself, and you genuinly have talent and the determination, you WILL succeed ;)

[Col]

restricting art is the first step towards destroying it.

well said. :clap:

c'mon guys how can you even begin to debate this? think of this scenario: your a club owner, who also has an intrest in dj'ing, but you dont have a "license" are u sayin that not allowed to play at your own club/event?

besides id never get a gig.

[crime]

I just re-read the beginning of this thread, and it sounds like a return to communism! Does sound pretty ridiculous really, a "DJ Licence".. oh dear

[anx]

if you got a dj licence then would you be forced to claim taxes on all your gigs?

if that were the case, then id have to say: no dice

heh

[miromiric.]

yeah that was the idea these morons tried to achieve. and to make good money on the kids.

[Sunil]

I just re-read the beginning of this thread, and it sounds like a return to communism! Does sound pretty ridiculous really, a "DJ Licence".. oh dear

Indeed! I thought it may be about consolidating the rights of DJs with club owners/promoters regarding contracts and so forth, but an actual license to be able to DJ??? Is there a national outcry in Croatia over the amount of lacklustre DJs that are spinning in clubs, thus making the exam/test procedure necessary before you can play out? I presume someone will be making money from these licenses? What other reason would there be for someone devising this license scheme??

Anyway, this is funny :)

[Patrick DSP]

does this licence include dj's who play for halls and weddings? or would that be a differant class licence? would the classes be broken up my the style you play? like pussy progressive trance would be class G.A.Y. and hard house would be class A.S.S. and so on??

[Dustin Zahn]

yeah, what patrick said poses another question...what about those DJs who don't beat match (i.e. weddings, random radio shows, etc) Not to mention experimental DJs (which some stuff can be pulled off without being a decent beat-matcher).

[miromiric.]

they made some silly dj courses, where they would taught you how to beatmatch, mix, dance and raise your hands when playing, give highfives while having your favourite italodisco record in your mouth and doing a chopper on the floor and everything. after u d complete course u d get your license to play in the clubs.

as i told earlier these courses would be conducted by the man who doesnt know how to beatmatch.
*g*

[jonnyspeed]

Either music is free or it ain't. You can't unionize parties :shock:

[Bughead]

We had Popstars now we have Pop Dj's

Whats to differentiate between musicians that play in clubs and dj's that play records.

Then of course you would have all the black marketeers selling dodgy licenses so that you could play in clubs.

eh no... !!!!

[Tony]

such a dichotomy. on the one hand i am sick of seeing people who cant mix playing.it is that line of 'just having good records doesnt make you a good dj'. i have played some trash sets when i was a kid and i wish someone would have stopped me at the time. so i think that some sort of control to assure people are going to be seeing some quality for their entrance fee seems a good idea.
on the other hand, i would be very reluctant to appease the MAN and pander to anyone elses judgements of what is good or not. there is competance and technical skill, then there is genre selection, but how far and what governing body does the imposition and verification go. i have heard atrocious sets at big clubs, then people come up to me and say 'wow wasnt that wicked!'. i have to say no it was shit!! and then people think i'm the arsehole, when i've just been robbed of a tenner to get in the place.

hmmm, a good one to ponder.

[Patrick]

such a dichotomy. on the one hand i am sick of seeing people who cant mix playing.it is that line of 'just having good records doesnt make you a good dj'. i have played some trash sets when i was a kid and i wish someone would have stopped me at the time. so i think that some sort of control to assure people are going to be seeing some quality for their entrance fee seems a good idea.


In an ideal world, that's the kind of quality control the promoter should be doing. If you promote a night you should make sure the DJs who play are up to scratch. Sadly, too few of them these days have the integrity or the bollox to make these kind of tough decisions and are too lazy, ignorant or afraid to speak out against some bigger name DJs who have been getting away with it for years and living off their names and reputations, which may once have been deserved. But then, as we all know, money talks and many promoters know that having a certain name on a flyer will mean full clubs, and full pockets for all concerned, so why would they rock the boat ? Again, you would hope that if they were doing it for love, not money, they would rock the boat and decide that they themselves and their paying guests (i.e the punters or all of us) deserve better.
Right, when does the next boat to Utopia sail ?

[Methodixxx]

Thats just hilarious they are not only considering it, but are going ahead with it!!!! Bwahahahahhaha!! :doh: