Dub step.

[DannyBlack]

Don't know where else to start a dubstep discussion, but...f*ck me!!! Listening to a good lot of it at the moment. Anyone got any links for sets etc??

[messyfuture]

www.gotdarker.com
loads of good ones there might even be one of mine there
-:)

[messyfuture]

and check the dubstep forum,look out for claw or lukki mixes they are savage

[ollie303]

http://www.rinse.fm/

worth checking, can take up valuable techno time though

[C.O.Prodigy]

check it.

for mixes

http://www.ragandbonerecords.co.uk/mixes.html

http://dubstep.com.ua/download/VexdResonanceFM.mp3


for tunes

http://www.virb.com/thornindustries - free streaming free download , killer site

also check out the new scorn - no linky sorry

snatched this from the nursery forums

[C.O.Prodigy]

http://dubstep.com.ua/download/VexdResonanceFM.mp3 - broken link!

Scorn - Stealth (http://www.adnoiseam.net/label/catalog/88/enter.htm)

Burial - Untrue (http://www.discogs.com/release/1125103)

cheers mate

[MITA]

been enjoying thisone for a while~ : )

http://www.ragandbonerecords.co.uk/Warlock__Mutant_Dubz_mix.mp3

1. Crooked One - Let Us Pray (dub)
2. Crooked One - Voided (dub)
3. Crooked One - Paradroid (dub)
4. Crooked One - Annilhilation (Starksound)
5. Komonasmuk v Whiteboi- Shankstep (dub)
6. Soundbox - Ghost Train (dub)
7. Elemental - Shiner (dub)
8. Starkey - Shoulder Lean (dub)
9. Hue Jah Fink & Kirsty Hawkshaw - Out Of Reach (dub)
10. Blackmass Plastics - Nite boat (Dirty Needles dub)
11. Komonasmuk v Whiteboi- Ayatollah (dub)
12. Inasekt - Untitled dub (dub)
13. Matt Head - Thrill Kill (dub)
14. Matt Head - Skyjacker (Ruff)
15. Inasekt - Bug Powder (dub)
16. Warlock - Click Clack (Starksound)
17. Warlock - Bish Bosh (Starksound)
18. Sky City Rising - Fever Gasp (Brooklyn Beats)
19. Kode 9 - Sniper Dub (dub)
20. Aaron Spectre - Say More Fire (dub)
21. Protocol X - Screwheads (dub)
22. Warlock - Window Smasher (Rag & Bone)
23. Drop The Lime - Come To Life (dub)
24. Starkey - Let U Go - DTL remix (dub)

[TechMouse]

Recognise: Dubwar Podcast 3 - Markomen (http://www.dqxt.org/dubwar/podcast/dubwar_podcast_03_markomen.mp3)

This is the rudest thing I've heard in months. (Give it at least 10 minutes).

Tracklist:
> markomen - Muted
> markomen - Takeover Dub
> markomen - Inna Spooksville
& markomen vs. Asimilon - Dreadlock Dislocation
> Rogue State - Lion Paw
> markomen vs. SJM - Escape Route
> markomen feat. Geronimo - In My Town of Chatham Town
> Juju - She
& markomen - Dubstep Pressure
> Goolabjamu - Inhiri Melt (markomen remix)
> 12th Planet - 28 Hours Later
> Screenager vs. Stigmatrix - Serious Music
> Queen Sedna - Meditation
& Itchy Robot - Raw
> Cogent - Tribe
> MacKoall - The Rastacore
& markomen - Auxiliary Plaything
> markomen - Mask
> Rusko - Too Far
> Ghislain Poirier - Blazin (Modeselektor remix)
> Queen Sedna - Game
> J:Kenzo - Sticky
> Soundbox - The Care Bears Acid Picnic
> RUF - Rudebwoy Riddim
& markomen - Auxiliary Hulksta
> markomen - Trouble Throwup
> Soundbox - Remust
> Babylon System & Noah D - Examination of Time
& Engineers Without Fears - Spiritual Aura
> Djunya - Sub Sol

[mattboyslim]

i'm bored of it already. They seem to have locked down a formula too quickly

if anyone can point me to exciting stuff i'd be most appreciative

[Si the Sigh]

i'm bored of it already. They seem to have locked down a formula too quickly

if anyone can point me to exciting stuff i'd be most appreciative

Agreed! It all seems to sound the same to me already. I'm still waiting to hear something awesome...

[TechMouse]

I know what you mean, there is lots of samey stuff about.

That Markomen mix is sickness incarnate though.

[Numeric]

used to listen to it years ago, agree that most of it sounds way too formuleric these days, still some sick tracks about though

that Night track from Benga is a beast despite it getting rinsed everywhere

[judas_beast]

Skream is alright. All about MC Buffalo at the Dub Step awards though.

too much of it now is standard heavy bass wobble blah blah, imo of course!

[DannyBlack]

Thanks lads! it would appear that I have come to the right place!! This is all new to me. My mate Muc plays a lot of dubstep,i remember the first set I saw him play, the bass made me all silly. Thanks again!!

[DannyBlack]

www.gotdarker.com
loads of good ones there might even be one of mine there
-:)


man, any of your mixes or any you have please pass on!!

[messyfuture]

http://www.gotdarker.com/?fileref=eabd0739026ba42ee4bc3e62f1d04dd7

thats my most recent one, got another one sitting on my hard drive you on msn i'll send it that way or i can re up it tonight

[C.O.Prodigy]

Recognise: Dubwar Podcast 3 - Markomen (http://www.dqxt.org/dubwar/podcast/dubwar_podcast_03_markomen.mp3)



well I gave it a chance and on the first listen it's nothing compared to the mix MITA posted above especially 1. Crooked One - Let Us Pray (dub) 4. Crooked One - Annilhilation (Starksound) , there are some nice sahdes of reagge which i like but for that i will listen to reagge...

I would suggest : http://www.ragandbonerecords.co.uk/mixes/noyeahno_sickstep_mix_july_07.mp3

And here's the list of tracks:

1. Roots Dyed Dark (Skream remix) - Mark Ashken - Leftroom
2. The Flu - Kromestar - Marxmen Dubs
3. The Goat Stare - Loefah - DMZ 6
4. Disko Rekah - Loefah - Deep Medi Musik
5. Annihilation - The Crooked One - Starksound 1
6. Atlas - Scan One - Combat 14
7. Archetype - Innasekt - Red Volume 002
8. Dolls Eyes - Sasquatch - Senseless 3
9. Warehouse - Tes la Rock - Mode 02
10. Apocolypse - Kommanasmuk (dub)
11. Prism - Starkey - Starksound 2 (dub)
12. So Strong - Mackoall
13. Omerta - Sasquatch - Senseless 4
14. More thank Likely - Wifi of the undead (dub)
15. Music is a Weapon - Aaron Spectre - Rag & Bone 16
16. Come to Life - Drop the lime (dub)
17. Claws Theme - Tigerbass
18. Ladies Roll - Cari Lekebusch - HPX 05
19. Retarded Ep - Non Stop DJ’s
20. Dem Nah Like Me - Ghislain Poirier - Shockout
21. Cannot be Straightened - Bass Clef - Blank Tapes
22. Bounce - Starkey - Starksound 2 (dub)
23. Boxfresh Ep - DJ Ganta
24. Lethal Dubs pt1 - Dubchild - Heavy Artillery
25. Needles - Wifi of the undead (dub)
26. Snakes & Ladders - Scarecrow - Destructive
27. Saymorefire - Aaron Spectre - Rag & Bone 16



................

10. Apocolypse - Kommanasmuk (dub)
11. Prism - Starkey - Starksound 2 (dub)

Prism - starkey - is the song. Love the transition between Apocolypse and Prism. When Prism takes over that's when the magic happens. I guess for me at this moment this would be a good way to put it: "There are many stars in this mix but Prism is more like the sun, and when the sun shines that stars disappear."

20. Dem Nah Like Me - Ghislain Poirier - Shockout
21. Cannot be Straightened - Bass Clef - Blank Tapes

Also really enjoy "dem nah like me" sounds great, gets me movin' and it's cool. Number 21. is different then any other track on this list imo, every time I hear it I like it more and more..

[DannyBlack]

I wont be on MSN for another couple of days till i get the laptop up and running again. My addy is sidviscus@hotmail.com

[DannyBlack]

Anyone know where I can get 16. Come to Life - Drop the lime (dub) on vinyl from????? I must have it!

[djshiva]

it's funny, because as with all genres, the djs can shape the image of what people think of the genre as a whole.

for me, the width and breadth of dubstep right now is far-reaching, and not at all limited to the party-tune, dancefloor-smashing wobble business that people are seeing as representative of all dubstep.

some artists who are crossing techno/dubstep boundaries (or are just immensely good):

2562
pinch
appleblim
gatekeeper
kode 9
geiom
pangea
untold
shackleton
peverelist
overcast radio
mala (digital mystikz)
benga
likhan
TRG
bombaman
reso
skream
elemental

i could go on for days, as there are bigger names and also lesser known talent that are really pushing new sounds every day, it's just that those aren't necessarily what gets caned on the dancefloor.

evidently the last DMZ was pretty techno-influence heavy tho, by all accounts, so trust me when i say that dubstep may have some formulaic things happening within it, but those formulas DEFINITELY do not define the sound at all.

good places to find mixes:
www.dubstepforum.com
www.barefiles.com

i also gotta do some blatant self promotion and point to my last studio mix, Retrospection (http://www.blackoutaudio.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=54621&highlight=retrospection), as an example of what happens when techno and dubstep meet and have a smoke.

also peep my archives for my dubstep.fm radio show: http://www.dubstep.fm/djshiva

i tend to play all over the place with the radio show, so you never really know what's gonna happen, but i have been a techno girl for years, so expect that influence in a big way.

anyway, i just wanted to pop on here and let people know that there is pure gold in the dubstep scene, but it takes paying attention, as with any genre. every genre has its formulas, but no genre should ever truly be defined by them.

[C.O.Prodigy]

@djshiva
thanks for the post
and for the namedrops

have somestuff from some of them like - kode 9, benga, skream. I'll check out what I can find..

cheers

[djshiva]

oh how could i forget scuba? keep an eye out for the new album "a mutual antipathy". have only heard a few tracks off it, both exceptional, and by all accounts from those who have heard it...it's the bees knees.

[jesus]

check out me niga screenager , best music ive heard for a while.

http://www.myspace.com/dascreen

[massplanck]

"There are many stars in this mix but Prism is more like the sun, and when the sun shines that stars disappear."
.

wow. :)

[massplanck]

Loefah - Goat Stare/Root has to be the heaviest tune of all time.
I havent listened to dubstep in about 18 months but getting back into it now. Like shiva said there is plenty of room for crossing over between techno & dubstep.
Check out her Retrospection mix.

[Aratron]

cmplete pretentious drivel.

boring garbage which has no place being linked to techno.

[massplanck]

cmplete pretentious drivel.

boring garbage which has no place being linked to techno.


Dude you didnt even know who speedy j was up untill 3 months ago.
:laughing:

[RDR]

cmplete pretentious drivel.

boring garbage which has no place being linked to techno.

Some of it i like, some i dont.

[wrong]

thats pretty much just summed up whats wrong with techno today.. tunnel vision .. what is techno anyway? and who's to say what can and can't be linked to it? Isn't that the whole point of it? alien sounds and styles..embracing new ideas and creating new angles.. Buddy Holly only knew 3 chords.. A,D and E.. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who's only into buddy holly whereas the music of buddy holly and the crickets make up a small yet important blip on the tapestry that is rock n roll..
(excuse my cheese) ;)

[wrong]

(was refering to the words 'no place being linked with techno')

[RDR]

thats pretty much just summed up whats wrong with techno today.. tunnel vision .. what is techno anyway? and who's to say what can and can't be linked to it? Isn't that the whole point of it? alien sounds and styles..embracing new ideas and creating new angles.. Buddy Holly only knew 3 chords.. A,D and E.. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who's only into buddy holly whereas the music of buddy holly and the crickets make up a small yet important blip on the tapestry that is rock n roll..
(excuse my cheese) ;)

dont knock the holly... if anything he was a good looking entertainer more than anything...

Music is too often confused with Entertainment when discussing the merits or not of a particular genre.

(not having a go at you WRONG) just thinkin aloud

[TechMouse]

Having a narrow vision of what's musically acceptable has no place being linked with Techno.

[massplanck]

(was refering to the words 'no place being linked with techno')

Seriously. If there is one person on here you should ignore when they comment on music, its Aratron.

[wrong]

Having a narrow vision of what's musically acceptable has no place being linked with Techno.

Yep, thats what i was trying to say in my rambling lofty buddy hollyesque above post
Not to say that people have to like dubstep (or buddy holly)... It can be pretty generic and predictable as can any 'genre', but i've heard tracks that have knocked me for six and its influenced some producers of aforementioned 'techno' which is where it gets exciting as its another route to explore.. new territory, ideas and production techniques to be applied to other stuff. Viva Mongrel music

[DannyBlack]

anyway, i just wanted to pop on here and let people know that there is pure gold in the dubstep scene, but it takes paying attention, as with any genre. every genre has its formulas, but no genre should ever truly be defined by them.

DJ Shiva just nailed it.


Im on a discovery mission at the moment as i used to be one of the most musically narrow minded people i knew. Im trying to break out of that as it is just not cool. Dubstep has got my attention at the moment and starting this thread was the best move I've made in a while, because the links to mixes and information you guys have given me is amazing!

Thanks to all! Keep it coming, but please- don't let this thread turn into a squabble. Please!

[TechMouse]

but please- don't let this thread turn into a squabble. Please!
But, but... this is the internet FFS, what do you expect?

[DannyBlack]

But, but... this is the internet FFS, what do you expect?


Aye, you're right :lol:

[echodek]

Mala has made some great tunes... has a really organic sound. I like this one a lot:
http://www.discogs.com/release/885964

Also, Skream's essential mix from last year was brilliant... still waiting for some of the tunes to get released. those kids do love their dubplates...

[DannyBlack]

Mala has made some great tunes... has a really organic sound. I like this one a lot:
http://www.discogs.com/release/885964

Also, Skream's essential mix from last year was brilliant... still waiting for some of the tunes to get released. those kids do love their dubplates...


Nice one man, gonna check this out. Did some major scouring of Juno last night. I'm still lookin for Drop the lemon's come to life. Amazing track! if anyone can point me in the right direction i would appreciate it!

[echodek]

I'm pretty sure it was a digital release on Trouble & Bass records:
http://www.discogs.com/release/1163844

Check Juno Download... it should still be there. You're getting your limes and lemons mixed up!

[DannyBlack]

:lol: hahahahahah! Lime, feck sake! Yeah i found the digital one, but i'm looking for vinyl, im thinking it isn't out on plastic at all.... poo!

[djshiva]

cmplete pretentious drivel.

boring garbage which has no place being linked to techno.

if you are kidding, your sense of humour is shit.

if you are not, then you are an utter wasteman.

[Jay Pace]

wasteman?

Does that word carry outside hackney?

Bare nang.

[djshiva]

wasteman?

Does that word carry outside hackney?

Bare nang.

evidently so. i am stateside.

been talking to too many UK heads. LOL

[Aratron]

Dude you didnt even know who speedy j was up untill 3 months ago.
:laughing:

fair play mate. just what i have heard of dubstep its not really my bag. although im hardly a barometer of what represents the next phase.

[Aratron]

if you are kidding, your sense of humour is shit.

if you are not, then you are an utter wasteman.

im not kidding, trolling, baiting or anything. just my opinion. shit if its so wonderful, why get so defensive about it?

[djshiva]

im not kidding, trolling, baiting or anything. just my opinion. shit if its so wonderful, why get so defensive about it?

if you don't like it, that's cool. i could care less.

but when you make blanket declarations about the value of the music as a whole, or act like you are the supreme dictator of all that is techno, declaring how dubstep has no place anywhere near techno...

...well...you sound like an asshole.

i am not getting defensive. i am calling you out for being a pompous dick. there's a difference.

[Aratron]

if you don't like it, that's cool. i could care less.

but when you make blanket declarations about the value of the music as a whole, or act like you are the supreme dictator of all that is techno, declaring how dubstep has no place anywhere near techno...

...well...you sound like an asshole.

i am not getting defensive. i am calling you out for being a pompous dick. there's a difference.

well your probably right. big deal.

[marginmaster]

dubsteps main man G

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKE-uX970l4

[djshiva]

well your probably right. big deal.

ok then. i can tell who's worth my time arguing with, and you certainly are not.

have a nice life.

[Aratron]

ok then. i can tell who's worth my time arguing with, and you certainly are not.

have a nice life.

yet you keep replying?

[Aratron]

Seriously. If there is one person on here you should ignore when they comment on music, its Aratron.

quoted for truth

i dunno though , i can only say what my opinion is from my own perspective.
dub-step just seems like something for the new heroin generation.
although i know a lot of people who passionate about music like the genre. all i am saying is that i dont.

[...Dave...]

i have really tried. I have heard some amazing dubstep tunes, as great as some of it is, it just doesn't press the right buttons with me.

And it does seem a tad pretentious too.:yup:
and very samey.

[RitchieP]

music for tards imo

[RDR]

Have you seen inside a trance club at 4am?

Its hard NOT to find a tard.

[DannyBlack]

Well i don't know about you f"ckers, but i like it. :lol: Im excited by the bass and the grimey sounds.

[theledge]

Quite like some of it, not sure why it doesn't float my boat completely convincingly though

[DannyBlack]

There are some tracks that I have heard so far on my 3 day dubstep adventure that sound a bit well, for lack of a better word... plastic. A little churned out. But you get that with every genre really. There are aspects of techno that sound a bit plastic too. You know when you hear a DJ caning a "filler" track. Timo Maas has a habit of doing it.

[Aratron]

@The Mods.

Could we move this thread to the Alternative Forum please?

As it is clearly not appropriate for a Techno Forum. I know the majority of members are in agreement with me aswell.

[theledge]

@The Mods.

Could we move this thread to the Alternative Forum please?

As it is clearly not appropriate for a Techno Forum. I know the majority of members are in agreement with me aswell.

:lol:

[Traxx]

Dub step has really took off for me. All im really listening to at the moment. Check the benga essential mix out, guys got some weighty tunes behind him. Also the caspa & rusko fabric cd.

[Jay Pace]

I can't get my head round dubstep. Just does nothing for me.
Might change my mind on it if I hear it live, but the hype surrounding it escapes me.
There's a couple of killer Vex'd tracks, and a couple from Skream, maybe a couple from Burial... but as a genre I don't really get it.

[theledge]

I can't get my head round dubstep. Just does nothing for me.
Might change my mind on it if I hear it live, but the hype surrounding it escapes me.
There's a couple of killer Vex'd tracks, and a couple from Skream, maybe a couple from Burial... but as a genre I don't really get it.

To be honest mate I'd rather listen to it at home

That's the problem for me, it doesn't really work live. Unless you're stoned/k'ed out of your head perhaps, it doesn't have the right energy for me.

There is the odd exception, but..........too much hype

[DannyBlack]

@The Mods.

Could we move this thread to the Alternative Forum please?

As it is clearly not appropriate for a Techno Forum. I know the majority of members are in agreement with me aswell.


:rolleyes: My bad.

[djshiva]

@The Mods.

Could we move this thread to the Alternative Forum please?

As it is clearly not appropriate for a Techno Forum. I know the majority of members are in agreement with me aswell.

once again, the self-declared expert has spoken.

[Aratron]

once again, the self-declared expert has spoken.

thats right mate.

though im pleased to see that people whose opinions i value more than yours detest this excuse for a music style aswell.

[DannyBlack]

Easy china! You don't like it, thats cool mate- take it easy though eh! Its a discussion, no ones forcing you into dubstep! I didn't think of putting it in the alternative forum, so if ye want to move it thats cool. But 'Tron, take the sand out of vagina mate! :lol:

[C.O.Prodigy]

though im pleased to see that people whose opinions i value more than yours detest this excuse for a music style aswell.

why would you detest any form of creativity? Personally there is stuff that I've heard people describe as dubstep that doesn't really jive with me, but that said there are also tracks that also people classify into the breakbeat/dubstep bracket that I quite enjoy, sometimes go mad fo'.

I don't see why one must judge dupstep by whole "genre" and not by the music they like which came out outta the bracket that is dubstep. imo it's so new it's not worth judging, call it like it is, say what you like say what you don't and give a reason why. I though this was a music forum? :) details pls


anyways... a friend recommended tracks from this artist http://www.juno.co.uk/artists/Shackleton/
http://www.skulldisco.com/node/143

[DannyBlack]

Sound mate! checking it out now!

[djshiva]

thats right mate.

though im pleased to see that people whose opinions i value more than yours detest this excuse for a music style aswell.

ooooh does it make you feel superior? seems like a lonely existence, sitting on the internets (12,000+ posts, eh?), slagging anything that doesn't fit your tiny tiny vision of what music should be.

i hope it's satisfying, ****ing prick.

it's people like you that ruin music by narrowing the boundaries until the life is ****ing squeezed right out of it.

[eyeswithoutaface]

Calvin's trolling you guys good style here

knowing him he's probably never heard a single dubstep track in his life ;)

[eyeswithoutaface]

and on the subject of dubstep, doesnt do a thing for me im afraid, i appreciate some of it for its production value's but as a genre i think its massively over hyped, but thats the same with alot of things, and just doesnt hit any buttons for me at all, much the same as drum and bass really

[theledge]

ooooh does it make you feel superior? seems like a lonely existence, sitting on the internets (12,000+ posts, eh?), slagging anything that doesn't fit your tiny tiny vision of what music should be.

i hope it's satisfying, ****ing prick.

it's people like you that ruin music by narrowing the boundaries until the life is ****ing squeezed right out of it.

:lol: :lol:

http://www.reelmello.com/images/trip%20permit.jpg

[clubsynthetic]

dubstep is good, like some breaks to me. some are shit, some are good. of course there is hype, who cares about hype? i haven't listened to monumental amounts of dubstep but can certainly say it has good points and much potential. One of the only holdbacks i can see is keeping it in its own genre and not developing it the way one should feel it needs to for them, making it UNIQUE.

I have dubstep tunes in my techno sets and it breaks it up very, very well.

And i really like Milanese's sounds.

[DannyBlack]

and on the subject of dubstep, doesnt do a thing for me im afraid, i appreciate some of it for its production value's but as a genre i think its massively over hyped, but thats the same with alot of things, and just doesnt hit any buttons for me at all, much the same as drum and bass really

Thats just it, i missed all the hype. Im in south east Ireland and the only guy I know plays it lives in the same house as me.
I just got a giggly when i heard it on youtube. its the bass that gets me and that gritty feeling.

[eyeswithoutaface]

over here things went dubstep crazy, radio 1 jumped all over the dubstep crews and already for me things are too saturated, every man and his dog is into it already. Now apparently there is already something called "Bassline" which is dubstep with 4/4 rhythms or something. I dunno, i really dont keep up to date with the latest trends/names etc i just like what i like

the only dubstep i suppose i listen to is the Voidloss and Villian set, again, mostly for the production values

[wrong]

Dunno if anyone's posted this already but its quite funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdOi-gdL58g

And just to clarify.. yes the people who have a clear vision make great stuff , the people who try and immitate them usually end up sounding like just that.. just to make sure that posting this video isn't seen as a slur on the whole thing.. made me chuckle first time i saw it

[DannyBlack]

Dunno if anyone's posted this already but its quite funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdOi-gdL58g

And just to clarify.. yes the people who have a clear vision make great stuff , the people who try and immitate them usually end up sounding like just that.. just to make sure that posting this video isn't seen as a slur on the whole thing.. made me chuckle first time i saw it


:lol: thats class!

[Aratron]

ooooh does it make you feel superior? seems like a lonely existence, sitting on the internets (12,000+ posts, eh?), slagging anything that doesn't fit your tiny tiny vision of what music should be.

i hope it's satisfying, ****ing prick.

it's people like you that ruin music by narrowing the boundaries until the life is ****ing squeezed right out of it.

ad homing it now

[TechMouse]

knowing him he's probably never heard a single dubstep track in his life ;)

:lol:

Predictions for 2011... Aratron actually listens to some Dubstep and frantically posts about how great this new music is, then asks "Who are Vex'd?"

[Aratron]

and on the subject of dubstep, doesnt do a thing for me im afraid, i appreciate some of it for its production value's but as a genre i think its massively over hyped, but thats the same with alot of things, and just doesnt hit any buttons for me at all, much the same as drum and bass really

i always appreciate your opinion dude. As being an accuarate barometer of what represents good taste musically. Yet again you have confirmed this belief.

I have been sent quite a few Dubstep mixes one by our mutual friend The Divide, which i listened to thoroughly out of respect for our friendship.
Luckily it was strong enough to survive the wasted hour i spent listening to it.
Basically it represents a safe medium for people who have no talent in mixing.
Everyone is either too depressed or too smacked out on Ketamine or Heroin to give a **** about what is playing anyway.
I think i could play Max Bygraves at the slowest speed possible and you havent have a clue it wasnt progressive Dub-Step.

[TechMouse]

And i really like Milanese's sounds.
Milanese is the asbolute rudeness.

Totally defies categorisation.

[Aratron]

:lol:

Predictions for 2011... Aratron actually listens to some Dubstep and frantically posts about how great this new music is, then asks "Who are Vex'd?"

how about you read my post after yours.

i have listened to it. its shit. really ****ing shit. im attacking the object not the person. and i have raised to you as a mod now that i do not like being called a prick by DJ Shiva. This is an ad hom and i would appreciate to be able to express my opions onhere without being personally attacked.

[TechMouse]

over here things went dubstep crazy, radio 1 jumped all over the dubstep crews and already for me things are too saturated, every man and his dog is into it already. Now apparently there is already something called "Bassline" which is dubstep with 4/4 rhythms or something. I dunno, i really dont keep up to date with the latest trends/names etc i just like what i like
Bassline House is just rebranded Speed Garage.

[stjohn]

oh come on ffs... opinions are one thing. you come on like a jealous lil schoolgirl that didnt get the boyfriend. what did u say to dirty bass that one time he posted a dubstep tune? then u come on with some wannabe 'nice' talk trying to play the freedom of speech card.

****ing Lame!!!

re the mixing bit.. the likes of Milanese mixes dub/raggae/hardcore.. all in the same set, loads of tempo changes with loads of variation! top marks for mixing for him!!

C.O Prodigy speaks the truth.. why divide stuff into genres...?? a mix of this and a mix of that and everyones happy!

[stjohn]

http://www.chrome-metronome.net/lame.jpg

if u want an IRA version, let me know :rolleyes:

[...Dave...]

Dunno if anyone's posted this already but its quite funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdOi-gdL58g

And just to clarify.. yes the people who have a clear vision make great stuff , the people who try and immitate them usually end up sounding like just that.. just to make sure that posting this video isn't seen as a slur on the whole thing.. made me chuckle first time i saw it

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :clap:

[Aratron]

http://www.chrome-metronome.net/lame.jpg

if u want an IRA version, let me know :rolleyes:

yes please at least it might be from a genuine irish man then.

[C.O.Prodigy]

Predictions for 2011... Aratron actually listens to some Dubstep and frantically posts about how great this new music is, then asks "Who are Vex'd?"


:lol: prolly


anyways thought some might enjoy this Crooked One - Soul Eater (http://www.sendspace.com/file/xffcjy)

[massplanck]

Aratron. STFU

Creativity is creativity. Its not anyones fault except your own that all you have ever listened to/appreciated/bought/or mixed over the last 10 years has been Acid Techno.

You butt in on DB calling his dubstep tracks shit, you call Zeitgeist tunes 'lame' without ever listening to them, you 'discover' Speedy J & Steve Stoll 15 years after everyone else, and you wholly admit to not having a tune in you head.

**** off man.

The first half decent discussion about music on this site in a while and you turn it into a drama with you at the centre of it all.

Wasteman.

[massplanck]

Basically it represents a safe medium for people who have no talent in mixing.
.

Post us up a mix so. Mr Talent.

[Si the Sigh]

Some Vex'd stuff is ok, and some of the tracks out on Combat are worth a listen.

[TechMouse]

Some Vex'd stuff is ok, and some of the tracks out on Combat are worth a listen.
Amen to both of those.

I tend to keep an ear out for Planet μ as well.

Alternatively I just pop into BM Soho and say "I'll have a listen to anything with obscenely rude bass noises".

[C.O.Prodigy]

you 'discover' Speedy J & Steve Stoll 15 years after everyone else,

:lol: hilarious

*laughing in office"

not having a go at you Aratron, just had to post about how much I enjoyed massplanck's sence of humor there...


ps. one more namedrop

Appleblim - Mystical Warrior

[force]

Bassline House is just rebranded Speed Garage.


So probably best avoided then.

[TechMouse]

So probably best avoided then.
Meh, I have a soft spot for bits of speed garage.

187 Lockdown - Gunman, for example.

What is it about wobbly bass and gunshot noises that works so well?

[koma]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjwtVjZtQGk

one of my favourite tunes from the last years, brilliant rmx IMO

[massplanck]

i have listened to it. its shit. really ****ing shit. im attacking the object not the person.


Then why are you implying that people who listen to it ( ie for example the Divide & others) are a heroin junkies & k-heads with no talent?
When in fact I bet you take more drugs (prescribed & illegal) than most people here and have admitted serveral times that you are 'completly talentless' and dont have a note in your head.

If you dont like something then fair enough (see scotts comments for example) but no need to act the complete tool.You ****ed up enough forums on this site and ruined them. Last place to to act the bollocks is in here it seems.

[SlavikSvensk]

back to the discussion, i'm someone who has listened to a bit of dubstep but haven't been as impressed as some others are. but i'm open minded.

anyone care to link up a mix or two that might change the mind?

[TechMouse]

anyone care to link up a mix or two that might change the mind?
There are loads on the first page of this thread Slav.

[DannyBlack]

Listen to all 3 of them mixes in sequence and then listen to Shiva mix Slav. got me through 2 days of work.

[SlavikSvensk]

There are loads on the first page of this thread Slav.

yeah but that would have taken clicking and reading. and you know how it is... :;

(and pretty much wanted to get this discussion back on topic)

but will do :)

[clubsynthetic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjwtVjZtQGk

one of my favourite tunes from the last years, brilliant rmx IMO

i like that shit

[massplanck]

There are loads on the first page of this thread Slav.


lol. I didnt dig them TBH.

I'm gonna try and hunt down a couple of ones i like & post em.

[massplanck]

Listen to all 3 of them mixes in sequence and then listen to Shiva mix Slav. got me through 2 days of work.

Shivas is well interesting. .

I still wish it was done on the wax though. I find the bass lacking in abelton sets sometimes.

[TechMouse]

I just downloaded this one (http://www.spannered.org/radio/1387/). I haven't listened to it yet, but knowing Stormfield it will be full of obscenely heavy basslines.

[TechMouse]

Recognise: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYOmu0nL6tY

[djshiva]

Shivas is well interesting. .

I still wish it was done on the wax though. I find the bass lacking in abelton sets sometimes.

glad you dig, but a fair bit of those were taken direct from the mastered wavs...so not sure where the lack of bass perception is coming from. the real question is...if i hadn't posted that it was an ableton mix, would you have heard it the same way? ;)

i purposely use ableton for dubstep because my one gripe about it is many of the tunes are based around "drop to drop" mixing (kinda like dnb), and i prefer the flow of techno layering, instant edits and geeky efx play myself.


how about you read my post after yours.

i have listened to it. its shit. really ****ing shit. im attacking the object not the person. and i have raised to you as a mod now that i do not like being called a prick by DJ Shiva. This is an ad hom and i would appreciate to be able to express my opions onhere without being personally attacked.

wow... you are a nervy little ****er aren't you? you come on here talking MAD smack, calling everything in dubstep shit (wow...you listened to EVERYTHING in the whole genre, huh? when do you sleep?), declaring its inferiority to techno, such that it should never soil the speakers techno is played on, call anyone who listens to it drugged out idiots, and now you get all butt-hurt because i called you out for being a closed-minded prick?

someone can dish it out but sure doesn't know how to take it, huh? good lord, are you frickin' twelve years old?

anyway, whatever...whoever wants to talk about dubstep, let's chat. now that aratron has made his opinion clear, i should hope that he can find threads that are more pertinent to his dazzling taste in music, and leave the rest of us to talk about the utter drivel that we are listening to.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

[RDR]

Shivas is well interesting. .

I still wish it was done on the wax though. I find the bass lacking in abelton sets sometimes.

You really do have achip on your shoulder about this whole vinyl vs digital thing dont you man.

Why?

[TechMouse]

You really do have achip on your shoulder about this whole vinyl vs digital thing dont you man.
In fairness, I didn't read it that way.

He's just commenting on his perception.

It would be interesting to see the results of a double blind test though.

[RDR]

In fairness, I didn't read it that way.

He's just commenting on his perception.

It would be interesting to see the results of a double blind test though.

planky NEVER loses an opportunity to have a dig about vinyl vs digital.

:lol:

Thats right planky... im watching.. ALWAYS watching

[djshiva]

i didn't really read massplanck's comment as a dig either, for the record. see? i swear i am not a knee-jerk responder. really.

[theledge]

You really do have achip on your shoulder about this whole vinyl vs digital thing dont you man.

Why?

Well to be fair, it seems to me like you have an equally big pro-digital chip on yours?

Reckon there's a sticky for this old topic already though :lol:

[stjohn]

Warping in ableton affects the bass region.... i coudlnt quote you any numbers or anything, but i can hear it. for sure...

i would guess there is some sort of phase manipulation by the stretching of the waveforms, around the 400 - 800 Hz area, which is where alot of the punch lies..

i could be totally wrong here...but all i know is that it does affect the sound

[djshiva]

Warping in ableton affects the bass region.... i coudlnt quote you any numbers or anything, but i can hear it. for sure...

i would guess there is some sort of phase manipulation by the stretching of the waveforms, around the 400 - 800 Hz area, which is where alot of the punch lies..

i could be totally wrong here...but all i know is that it does affect the sound

if it is warped in beats mode, there are definitely transient noises, and complex mode also does involve some degradation of sound. however, most of my stuff is warped in "repitch" mode, which does not have the same degradation of sound.

[SlavikSvensk]

I just downloaded this one (http://www.spannered.org/radio/1387/). I haven't listened to it yet, but knowing Stormfield it will be full of obscenely heavy basslines.

not really for me. reminds me of late 90s ed rush or trace records at half speed.

still open minded though...more?

[Aratron]

wow... you are a nervy little ****er aren't you? you come on here talking MAD smack, calling everything in dubstep shit (wow...you listened to EVERYTHING in the whole genre, huh? when do you sleep?), declaring its inferiority to techno, such that it should never soil the speakers techno is played on, call anyone who listens to it drugged out idiots, and now you get all butt-hurt because i called you out for being a closed-minded prick?

someone can dish it out but sure doesn't know how to take it, huh? good lord, are you frickin' twelve years old?

anyway, whatever...whoever wants to talk about dubstep, let's chat. now that aratron has made his opinion clear, i should hope that he can find threads that are more pertinent to his dazzling taste in music, and leave the rest of us to talk about the utter drivel that we are listening to.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png

glad you feel free to ventilate Millie. Like i said no need to get defensive.

[Aratron]

:lol: hilarious

*laughing in office"

not having a go at you Aratron, just had to post about how much I enjoyed massplanck's sence of humor there...




it's okay mate i athought it was quite funny aswell.:lol:

[C.O.Prodigy]

been enjoying thisone for a while~ : )

http://www.ragandbonerecords.co.uk/Warlock__Mutant_Dubz_mix.mp3

1. Crooked One - Let Us Pray (dub)
2. Crooked One - Voided (dub)
3. Crooked One - Paradroid (dub)
4. Crooked One - Annilhilation (Starksound)
5. Komonasmuk v Whiteboi- Shankstep (dub)
6. Soundbox - Ghost Train (dub)
7. Elemental - Shiner (dub)
8. Starkey - Shoulder Lean (dub)
9. Hue Jah Fink & Kirsty Hawkshaw - Out Of Reach (dub)
10. Blackmass Plastics - Nite boat (Dirty Needles dub)
11. Komonasmuk v Whiteboi- Ayatollah (dub)
12. Inasekt - Untitled dub (dub)
13. Matt Head - Thrill Kill (dub)
14. Matt Head - Skyjacker (Ruff)
15. Inasekt - Bug Powder (dub)
16. Warlock - Click Clack (Starksound)
17. Warlock - Bish Bosh (Starksound)
18. Sky City Rising - Fever Gasp (Brooklyn Beats)
19. Kode 9 - Sniper Dub (dub)
20. Aaron Spectre - Say More Fire (dub)
21. Protocol X - Screwheads (dub)
22. Warlock - Window Smasher (Rag & Bone)
23. Drop The Lime - Come To Life (dub)
24. Starkey - Let U Go - DTL remix (dub)


check out this one MITA posted slav... I liked

[RDR]

Well to be fair, it seems to me like you have an equally big pro-digital chip on yours?

Reckon there's a sticky for this old topic already though :lol:

Sorry, your wrong man. I own around 1600 records and counting, im a scratch DJ and i love vinyl, to be honest im just giving planky the rise on this one (trolling my bad i know, i know...:rolleyes: )

But he knows what im talking about.

i might run a digital label but the issues i have with vinyl are WAY more to do with the business model its been occupying in the years previous to this and the way they have crushed creativity at the expense of labels looking to fund their next release. By this i mean the more commercial end of the market. Not the good folks willing to put their money where their mouth is, in that respect massplank is 100% right, there are some superb releases on vinyl right now, more than there was before - simply because no-one is willing to risk the cash on hits that MAYBE will work.

thats how i see it anyway, id be interested if anyone else had an opinion contrary to this, genuine. BY heck id love to see it all vinyl again, i honeslty would.

[SlavikSvensk]

check out this one MITA posted slav... I liked

cheers for the link, but i can't get into it. not going to write off the whole genre though, mind you, just at this point the whole "dark garage" thing doesn't do it for me.

now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?

just a thought...no one kill me...i fully recognize i have only limited exposure to dubstep and acknowledge that i could be 100% off-base :)

[C.O.Prodigy]

cheers for the link, but i can't get into it. not going to write off the whole genre though, mind you, just at this point the whole "dark garage" thing doesn't do it for me.

now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?

just a thought...no one kill me...i fully recognize i have only limited exposure to dubstep and acknowledge that i could be 100% off-base :)

Ok but when you say techno .. what comes to mind?

To me, artists that come to mind are : James Ruskin, Go Hiyama, Luka Baumann, Grovskopa, Dirty_Bass, Speedy J, Jeroen Liebregts, Reeko, Inigo Kennedy, Surgeon, CYP, rednox, Makaton, Regis, Female.... both for mixes and tracks... Now for these artists I wouldn't say that they exude staleness, quite on the on the contrary. I'm not always inclined to listen to these kind of sounds 24/7 like I used to, but they are my go to guys when I fell the urge to go nuts...

[massplanck]

now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?



oh you big troll!

Dubstep has nothing got to do with the staleness of techno. People just enjoy it & are digging it the same way people dug techno & d'n'b when it was new. The production values in the early stuff was really really amazing (Loefah, Toasty, Hotflush Records, Vex'd, DMZ etc). Really top notch stuff. These guys are bass enthusiasts. Now there are tons of imitators who dont really have the same kind of standards, some producing crap music & some producing excellent music, which is making it hard to find the good stuff. But it was always the same situation with techno. C'mon there must be at least 3000 techno labels out there. All this talk about hype and bandwagon jumping is funny. We ALL jumped onto the techno bandwagon at some stage. If Surgeon hadnt jumped on the techno bandwagon in the mid ninties , well we wouldnt have had surgeon would we etc etc.

@ Shiva & RDR. Its a personal thing with the abelton v vinyl . But dont let that stop you. You wouldnt be able to make a mix like that with a set of decks & I still really enjoyed it. Keep mashing up the styles girlfriend! :)

[TechMouse]

i didn't really read massplanck's comment as a dig either, for the record.
Ah, I see what you did there...

[massplanck]

You really do have achip on your shoulder about this whole vinyl vs digital thing dont you man.

Why?


And you take it very personal when I talk about my preference for vinyl over digital formats. Why? Because I grew up listening to it, touching it and I love the sound of it & the bass is fatter and the highs are not as harsh. Sure its more expensive. But I love music & have not problems shelling out to have it in my hand. Vinyl definately moves me more emotionally. I cant describe it, but it has also go to do with the social aspect of it. If I am an abelton DJ how easy it for my mates to call around and have a mess with my setup? Also I stare at a computer screen all day at work. I dont like doing that for another 8 hours when I get home. etc etc

Would I be talking out my ass if i said that most producers on this site would reather have their music pressed to wax? But on the flip side how many of them buy wax? Nothing has changed for me. I'm still buying records. The digital age has given me the power to hear a hell of a lot of stuff I would never have heard before & listen to a track several times over before making that crucial decision to spend 10 euros. The days of walking into a record shop on payday and handing over a hundred quid to buy the ten latest bangers are over. Now I can have anything I ever wanted on vinyl. And Its thanks to the digital age that has enabled this.

I still ENJOY the music from digtal labels. I dont dismiss the music because of the format its on but I do have a preference.

[TechMouse]

not really for me. reminds me of late 90s ed rush or trace records at half speed.

still open minded though...more?

http://virusb-23.co.uk/content/view/48/62/

http://virusb-23.co.uk/content/view/105/62/

?

[TechMouse]

now...i say this to stimulate discussion, not to troll, so no one get offended, but is it possible that the current enthusiasm for dubstep has more to do with the staleness of techno and a thirst for something new and vital than the inherent amazingness of dubstep?
For me, the best Techno has always gone around the houses and incorporated wildly different sounds.

Basic Channel brought dub into the mix. Tim Wright brought in two-step rhythms. CJ Bolland flirts with trance. T Raumschmiere has a punk edge. You can pull all of these elements and more into a Techno mix and create something cohesive, varied and unique all at the same time.

Dubstep is just another element for this.

[SlavikSvensk]

Dubstep has nothing got to do with the staleness of techno. People just enjoy it & are digging it the same way people dug techno & d'n'b when it was new. The production values in the early stuff was really really amazing (Loefah, Toasty, Hotflush Records, Vex'd, DMZ etc). Really top notch stuff. These guys are bass enthusiasts. Now there are tons of imitators who dont really have the same kind of standards, some producing crap music & some producing excellent music, which is making it hard to find the good stuff. But it was always the same situation with techno. C'mon there must be at least 3000 techno labels out there. All this talk about hype and bandwagon jumping is funny. We ALL jumped onto the techno bandwagon at some stage. If Surgeon hadnt jumped on the techno bandwagon in the mid ninties , well we wouldnt have had surgeon would we etc etc.



of course it doesn't, but i was talking about the enthusiasm for it among techno heads. or maybe it has nothing to do with it. :)

[RDR]

And you take it very personal when I talk about my preference for vinyl over digital formats. Why? Because I grew up listening to it, touching it and I love the sound of it & the bass is fatter and the highs are not as harsh. Sure its more expensive. But I love music & have not problems shelling out to have it in my hand. Vinyl definately moves me more emotionally. I cant describe it, but it has also go to do with the social aspect of it. If I am an abelton DJ how easy it for my mates to call around and have a mess with my setup? Also I stare at a computer screen all day at work. I dont like doing that for another 8 hours when I get home. etc etc

Would I be talking out my ass if i said that most producers on this site would reather have their music pressed to wax? But on the flip side how many of them buy wax? Nothing has changed for me. I'm still buying records. The digital age has given me the power to hear a hell of a lot of stuff I would never have heard before & listen to a track several times over before making that crucial decision to spend 10 euros. The days of walking into a record shop on payday and handing over a hundred quid to buy the ten latest bangers are over. Now I can have anything I ever wanted on vinyl. And Its thanks to the digital age that has enabled this.

I still ENJOY the music from digtal labels. I dont dismiss the music because of the format its on but I do have a preference.

Good comment chief :)

Fair enough I understand now.

[TechMouse]

The whole digital debate is very interesting for dubstep, because like D&B it's a primarily dubplate-based culture. Though on the other hand many of the key players fully embrace digital technology (CD decks and Ableton).

In fact, last time I saw Digital Mystikz they played a pretty much 100% CD set.

[DannyBlack]

I think for me, i like the stuff because the bass truly excites me. you see, i want to make really good techno and what im doing at the moment is listening to other stuff to avoid tunnel vision and any stagnation that i may run into while producing.

[C.O.Prodigy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcc7504i8gM - Starkey - Prism / Starksound 2 dub | 432hz

[DannyBlack]

Look how the genre devolved.

Christ.... Skrillex?

[DarkYoung]

Look how the genre devolved.

Christ.... Skrillex?


lol . . . it always was heading that way frot he start it was pretentious bollocks with no real identity waiting to be commercialised.