Innovators

[clubsynthetic]

Old and new - discuss.

For me its quick and smart and 3d!t.

I also think, Si Begg, the youngsters and Jason Leach

[DannyBlack]

oooh good topic mate! I agree with the above, absolutely. Er... theres a couple I feel come under that catagory- Jeff Mills did that CD/DVD with the Montpelier Philharmonic Orchestra, that is pretty spell binding.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pir9wvcKC6c

Then there's Pet Shop Dave, a mate who does a completely live wicked acid set. Not sure what the sound quality is on this vid cuz I have no sound.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=iS5SDvkZ-DU

[Smear]

Scorn.

[rhythmtech]

orbital
leftfield
suf crew changed the face of techno (as i know it0 back in the 90's
glenn wilson
pounding grooves (introduced me to a totally new sound in 98/99)
hawtin (back in the day)
beyer
sims (for his djing style)
and a load more

[Igneous]

Juan Atkins
Surgeon
Jeff Mills
Aphex Twin

[Si the Sigh]

Richard Polson, James Ruskin, Surgeon, Chris Liberator & Co @ SUF.

[clubsynthetic]

Scorn.

I tried to look this atrist up but all I got was this page,,

http://www.myspace.com/mjhscorn

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Scorn

any techno links? all i can see is drum n bass and blub step

[rhythmtech]

could be scorn the metal band that he means?

[DannyBlack]

hahaha nah, doubt it mate- they are poop.

[clubsynthetic]

either way i can't see techno

[tamobanter]

Hellfish and Producer for the Deathchants:smile:

hardcore techno would be **** all without it imo

mon the hiphop crossover

[Electrictribe]

lately everyone out of the Don't camp and similar labels like Coin operated. In my book defo taking things forward, not enough of it about though.

[basslinejunkie]

ribbz and aggressor, i think they deserve a mention as i bet they got alot of people into techno, not only myself.

then its the obvious really, surgeon, vogel, regis, ruskin

new - reeko is really impressing me along with exium. viva espanya!!

[tamobanter]

raiden & roddel (the dying punks) techno dnb

[clubsynthetic]

hardly techno, dying punks sounds like drum and bass

[tamobanter]

hardly techno, dying punks sounds like drum and bass

read above...'techno dnb' :wink:

thats exactly what it is...

[clubsynthetic]

do you actually know what techno is? Cos that is not techno

[tamobanter]

do you actually know what techno is? Cos that is not techno

banks...its techno dnb....i'm not debating what techno is...the thread says ''innovaters'' in a techno thread...i gave u some...

course i know what techno is :roll:

just like hellfish and produce release 'hardcore techno'

heres a techno innovater for ye....

dave clarke

:teeth:

[Smear]

If you exclude Scorn for not being techno then surely Aphex Twin and Leftfield and the like are a bit iffy as well. But in terms of innovation he's up there with anyone that's been mentioned.

[Numeric]

Hellfish and Producer for the Deathchants:smile:

hardcore techno would be **** all without it imo

mon the hiphop crossover

word

Laurent Hô for hardcore techno also, and Micropoint

[tamobanter]

just found out Producer is playing at my mates nite on september 11th in edinburgh with Remarc playing aswell:biggrin:

[clubsynthetic]

If you exclude Scorn for not being techno then surely Aphex Twin and Leftfield and the like are a bit iffy as well. But in terms of innovation he's up there with anyone that's been mentioned.

well i own some cracking staight up techno tracks by them both.

If thats the case with scorn 'tho then i would say Milanese

[clubsynthetic]

speedy j

[DannyBlack]

speedy j
Once up on a time maybe.

[clubsynthetic]

aye, old and new

[Lag]

marc arcadipane

[JamieBall]

Me.

Of course.

I'll whack yer ****in heads in with a ratchet

[Jay Pace]

Innovators as in people doing something new and original...

Hawtin's past and current contribution is pretty formidable, irrespective of whether or not you like what he's done.

Jerome Hill for me defined a new genre and approach in techno simply through his djing. Combining diverse styles together to make a new sound. Props.

Dave the Drummer made hard techno funky and fun in a way I haven't seen anyone else do.

Booker Shade crossed genre divides and brought new people into the scene, plus helped define a slightly different sound. Only have to look at the hordes of "bookashade" sounding artists to follow to recognise the contributino made there.

Raiden & Offkey crew are doing something genuinely different. New crowds, new sound, new directions. If gabber can be called techno I don't see whats stopping the offkey sound from eventually finding its way into the fold, or being accepted as a sound that straddles genres.

Jeff Mills, despite getting it horribly wrong and falling flat occassionally - involved AV, drama and tension in performance I haven't seen anyone else do. Price of riding on the seat of your pants is falling flat on your face occassionally.

Lots of other people, those guys sprung to mind though.

Most innovators are just doing something new and original with old ideas. Or doing an old idea in a different way and communicating somethign different in the process.

[BDC]

Plastikman.

[The Overfiend]

Dj Sneak

[drift9]

Dj Sneak
"you can't hide from your bud"... fckn classic

[The Overfiend]

Exactly, him Paul Johnson, Cajmere and other chicago cats sure as **** did their fair share to contribute and bring something new and original to the table.

[Franco Fellatio]

Old and new - discuss.

For me its quick and smart and 3d!t.

I also think, Si Begg, the youngsters and Jason Leach
youre pretty new to techno, arent you?

[koma]

if innovators are those who are doing something new and original, could we please talk about something new happening now, not 5-10-15 years ago? with all due respect to already mentioned artists

[rhythmtech]

youre pretty new to techno, arent you?

how did you draw that conclusion considering he mentioned si begg and jason leach who have been around years and edit is going as long as i am.. :rolleyes:

[NIKCAM]

youre pretty new to techno, arent you?

That does seem like a strange statement to make - doesn't matter how long you've been into techno, its just good that you are. Different people discover dfferent aspects of techno that bring them into the music and that can lead onto new sounds and artists. Theres damn all wrong with any of those names he mentioned, especially Jason Leach.

[clubsynthetic]

youre pretty new to techno, arent you?

been djing for about 6 years,, but i'm interesed in getting all the good shit oot of it. Now that i have the resorces to do so.

tbh i have a heard alot of older shit that i can't put my finger on and say what its is which actually got me into techno but it doesn't pump my nads like some of the sounds we are getting these days.

i've still heard of alot of atists that have been mentioned on this thread so get thinking and post em up please

[clubsynthetic]

Tube jerk

[clubsynthetic]

Exactly, him Paul Johnson, Cajmere and other chicago cats sure as **** did their fair share to contribute and bring something new and original to the table.

I can appreciate those grooves. I would probably play some of that dj sneak/cajmere shit under my guise "sexual chocolate"

paul johnson's "overload 2000", "summer heat" and "bump talking" are sweet choons,, aye he has some nice key changes to his work.

[aggressor]

ribbz and aggressor, i think they deserve a mention as i bet they got alot of people into techno, not only myself.

then its the obvious really, surgeon, vogel, regis, ruskin

new - reeko is really impressing me along with exium. viva espanya!!

0.o too kind m8

[Athar]

all the time

Speedy J
Dave The Drummer
Oliver Lieb
The Advent

DeepChord & Model 500 aka Juan Atkins for dub techno vision

errr maybe

Zenith!

This guy made amazing music in the past,
Something between hardcore and hardtrance, very specific and beautiful
Unfortunately after relasing some great productions on IST has switched to do more comercial music.

[djfilthmonger]

speedy j and patrick skoog. glenn wilson, chris liebeng , robert natus, Kaos and s ewe.

speedy j and chris liebeng collabs work .

[krimewave]

ribbz and aggressor, i think they deserve a mention as i bet they got alot of people into techno, not only myself.

then its the obvious really, surgeon, vogel, regis, ruskin

new - reeko is really impressing me along with exium. viva espanya!!

regis is in no way, shape or form an innovator.
ruskin as a DJ, maybe, but as a producer - no way.

would also question the inclusion of Glenn Wilson by another poster.
all decent DJs/producers, but not innovators.

some definite innovators are/were:-

Joey Beltram,
Robert Hood,
Cisco,
Steve Poindexter,
Lenny D,
Aphex Twin.

[Siege]

Aphex twin
Square pusher
Venetian snares

[Smear]

regis is in no way, shape or form an innovator.
ruskin as a DJ, maybe, but as a producer - no way.

would also question the inclusion of Glenn Wilson by another poster.
all decent DJs/producers, but not innovators.

some definite innovators are/were:-

Joey Beltram,
Robert Hood,
Cisco,
Steve Poindexter,
Lenny D,
Aphex Twin.

You can't say Regis isn't an innovator but Lenny Dee is! :p

[koma]

regis left bmb in very innovative way...

[Microdot]

You can't say Regis isn't an innovator but Lenny Dee is! :p

Lenny D invented a whole new form of dance music.
can't stand his music myself but facts are facts.

Regis made a good lockgroove once called Speak To Me.

If you call folding up a distribution company while owing several artists and labels alot of money, then I guess Regis is an innovator.

[davethedrummer]

sven vath
hardfloor
acid junkies
miss djax
dj rush
ken ishi
luke slater
dj funk
mc hammer
dave clark
zzino
joey beltram
chris liebing
adam beyer
thomas krome
green velvet



spot the odd one out

[rhythmtech]

sven vath
hardfloor
acid junkies
miss djax
dj rush
ken ishi
luke slater
dj funk
mc hammer
dave clark
zzino
joey beltram
chris liebing
adam beyer
thomas krome
green velvet




spot the odd one out

dave clarke, all the rest are pleasant

http://www.willainley.co.uk/Hammertime.gif

[Franco Fellatio]

sven vath
hardfloor
acid junkies
miss djax
dj rush
ken ishi
luke slater
dj funk
dave the drummer
dave clark
zzino
joey beltram
chris liebing
adam beyer
thomas krome
green velvet



spot the odd one out

found it

[DannyBlack]

Chortle. :-/

[The Overfiend]

Thomas Krome
Laidback Luke
Dobre & Jamez
Speedy J
Kenny Larkin
Stacey Pullen

[echodek]

orlando voorn
gerald donald
mike dearborn

[krimewave]

orlando voorn

good call

[basslinejunkie]

how could i forget inigo kennedy also. past and present, still at the top of the tree.

[djfilthmonger]

cave
cirez d
the horrorist

[Franco Fellatio]

cavebahahahahaha

[DannyBlack]

Yeah, cave? His earlier stuff was alright, not sure about his newer stuff though.

[Franco Fellatio]

innovator in no way. copycat is a better word.

[DannyBlack]

copying who?

[Jay Pace]

Everyone.

Still made some crackers though

[wrong]

copying who?

The goodmen ?

[DannyBlack]

who?

[rhythmtech]

givin it up, givin it up, givin it up, yeah....

[stjohn]

:lol:

'Innovators' aka 'Names the artists that you like'.

[DannyBlack]

aye. You're my number 1 innovator Rory.

[stjohn]

top 10 innovators.



10. Danny Black
9. Barry r-tech
8. Technobitch
7. Pet Shop Boys
6. Rent Boys
5. Ableton Live Vs Serato Underworld triple drop mixset
4. Mark EG
3. The current BOA production forum moderator
2. Richie Hawtin back when he was kissing Sven
1. Aaratron (who else)

[rhythmtech]

ooooo.. i get 2 mentions!!!

just for that ill give you a nice inovating next time i see you rory..

[DannyBlack]

:lol: United Drumz, I will innovate you all.

[speed-it-up]

Don't think you can class Liberators as innovators, did they not just rehash acid trance from Belgian labels?

I'd go for Atkins/Model 500.

[rhythmtech]

Don't think you can class Liberators as innovators, did they not just rehash acid trance from Belgian labels?

I'd go for Atkins/Model 500.

:lol:

yeah cause stayupforevr is exactly the same as de wolf or r+s :eek:

they bloody well created their own genre, if thats not inovating then what exactly is?

[speed-it-up]

:lol:

yeah cause stayupforevr is exactly the same as de wolf or r+s :eek:

they bloody well created their own genre, if thats not inovating then what exactly is?

Check Important records and then tell me that. Pretty sure I also read an interview with them when they credit the euro scene. Why do people think acid techno is only made in London?

[speed-it-up]

http://www.discogs.com/label/Important+Records

[rhythmtech]

Check Important records and then tell me that.
yeah, its 303 aicd trance but as a long term producer and listener to (london style) acid techno, i can see MAJOR differances. ok the structure may be similiar in certain instances but thats the same of a lot of techno. other than that the only similarities are 303's. you need to look beyond the sounds and start listening to the feel of the music. tracks like kektex "lock" were unheard of b4.


Pretty sure I also read an interview with them when they credit the euro scene.
you did. wax magazine 96/97


Why do people think acid techno is only made in London?
they dont.

[The Overfiend]

The Goodmen = Dobre & Jamez

[speed-it-up]

yeah, its 303 aicd trance but as a long term producer and listener to (london style) acid techno, i can see MAJOR differances. ok the structure may be similiar in certain instances but thats the same of a lot of techno. other than that the only similarities are 303's. you need to look beyond the sounds and start listening to the feel of the music. tracks like kektex "lock" were unheard of b4.


you did. wax magazine 96/97


they dont.

Whatever mate. You are clearly the fount of all knowledge.
I dj'ed this stuff to death. I used to love it, but innovative it ain't.

[rhythmtech]

Whatever mate. You are clearly the fount of all knowledge.
I dj'ed this stuff to death. I used to love it, but innovative it ain't.

ohh good one. you come on spouting an opinion but if someone else has a differant one and backs it up with an supportive arguement then they're "the fount of all knowledge"

ever think of the possibility of differing opinions? or is this the "speed-it-up's opinion only" thread?

[speed-it-up]

ohh good one. you come on spouting an opinion but if someone else has a differant one and backs it up with an supportive arguement then they're "the fount of all knowledge"

ever think of the possibility of differing opinions? or is this the "speed-it-up's opinion only" thread?


I don't find your argument persuasive, sorry. Of course you are entitled to an opinion. You were the one who was positng all the laughing smilies at my opinion in the first place, thinking I was talking about R&S records. You then significantly changed what you were saying. Giving it the large about being a producer/dj just makes you come across a bit twattish really. Carry on.

[rhythmtech]

I don't find your argument persuasive, sorry
no-one said you had to - its not a contest, its a discussion.


thinking I was talking about R&S records
you never explained who you were talking about so i used the two examples that came from the very same wax article you spoke about.


I don't find your argument persuasive, sorry. Of course you are entitled to an opinion. You were the one who was positng all the laughing smilies at my opinion in the first place, thinking I was talking about R&S records. You then significantly changed what you were saying. Giving it the large about being a producer/dj just makes you come across a bit twattish really. Carry on.

never gave it the "large" buddy - stated a fact, no more differant to you

I dj'ed this stuff to death

and i laughed because i thought it was funny comparing the two.
but obviously you cant argue this without resorting to personal insults.. so carry on yourself.

[The Overfiend]

PLAY NICE.
MOD'S TOO!
Lol.
Where's my nunnery outfit and ruler.

[rhythmtech]

im playing nice tony. just putting my arguement across without resorting to insults. please dont hit me.. too hard.

[The Overfiend]

Judo Chop
Throat punch, instant Austin Powers Knockout.

[DannyBlack]

yeahI see
,Yes.. but
its orange nipple clamps
303amyl nitrate
aicd *chin stroke*
trance the 303 was invented in japan, so really...
buta monkey puzzle tree would look great in that corner of the garden
as how can you be afraid of vegetables?
a italian techno is rubbish
long minimal techno is for girls
term schranz was invented in sven whittikends bum bag
producer good word that
and im bored now....
listener classical music was invented in manchester by a mouse
to all this arguing makes jesus sad
(london style) jesus is a mythological beast invented by Tom liberator, formerly Tom jones
acid london is not a city
techno stop quoting
,bollox
i
can
see
MAJOR
differances
.
ok
the
structure
may
be
similiar
in certain instances but thats the same of a lot of
techno.

[rhythmtech]

id say that took you a while danny :lol:

[RDR]

I seeYes.. but orange nipple clampsamyl nitrate *chin stroke* the 303 was invented in japan, so really...a monkey puzzle tree would look great in that corner of the garden how can you be afraid of vegetables? italian techno is rubbish minimal techno is for girls schranz was invented in sven whittikends bum bag good word that im bored now.... classical music was invented in manchester by a mouse all this arguing makes jesus sad jesus is a mythological beast invented by Tom liberator, formerly Tom jones london is not a city stop quoting bollox certain instances but thats the same of a lot of .

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That has got to be the funniest comeback i EVER saw...

you got me hurting here Danny... ****ing mint mate!

[Smear]

If you call folding up a distribution company while owing several artists and labels alot of money, then I guess Regis is an innovator.

Yeah of course, Lenny Dee's never done anything like that!

[judas_beast]

nice to see speed-it-up being an arse on another forum.

Innovators for me, shouldn't mean people doing something ''good'' now, it should mean someone who did something different, something INNOVATIVE.

So SUF/London style acid Techno was innovative, because it was new, it captured a moment, it changed ''things''.

[DannyBlack]

OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That has got to be the funniest comeback i EVER saw...

you got me hurting here Danny... ****ing mint mate!

I guess you could even call it an innovative come back, so to wrap this thread up-


DannyBlack= Innovator.

:lol:

Glad you like chris!

[rhythmtech]

So SUF/London style acid Techno was innovative, because it was new, it captured a moment, it changed ''things''.

well said.

[The Overfiend]

Lmao, getting paid in techno is like waiting for World Peace.

[Jay Pace]

So SUF/London style acid Techno was innovative, because it was new, it captured a moment, it changed ''things''.

Werd

(btw pleased to see you playing at blackbox. Wicked)

[lunatrick]

Acid techno doesn't really sound like anything else so I'm happy to call it innovative.....but went stale.....personal faves are squat rock and x-ray ok.....twisted shit.

but then nobody moans about motorhead sounding like motorhead. for the last 30 years. see my point? in fact they would moan if they didn't sound the same. you can't win really.

I suppose if you're talking real innovators then nobody really comes close to aphex in my opinion.....really wierd shit that pushes all sorts of boundaries....I mean windowlicker was an MTV hit and pretty crazy electronica all rolled into one. different.

I just went and saw dj food doing a full av set on the weekend - now that is pushing the envelope - full sized cinema screen controlled by the dj - all in time - loads of samples - wicked.

[clubsynthetic]

obviously wasn't around back in the day but i can see why saunderson, atkins, may etc were all innavators. Obviously its a personal thing,, but if one can explain whats new about it and pushes forward new styles/ideas then i can't see why it wouldn't be!

[krimewave]

Yeah of course, Lenny Dee's never done anything like that!

dunno, never had any business dealings with Lenny Dee.

that wasn't the main argument against Regis in any case. The main argument was that Regis has never done anything innovative, an argument which still stands strong.

[krimewave]

:lol:

yeah cause stayupforevr is exactly the same as de wolf or r+s :eek:

they bloody well created their own genre, if thats not inovating then what exactly is?

not wanting to blow me own or nothing, but no one was buying SUF's records until DOM - Acid War put the label on the map.

[DannyBlack]

Acid war= wicked.

[rhythmtech]

not wanting to blow me own or nothing, but no one was buying SUF's records until DOM - Acid War put the label on the map.

even after that they didnt really hit the mark until stayupforever 11 (nothing can save us london) - thats when it really kicked off

[DirtyHard]

dave the drummer
dave clark in his early days
the godfather {seen him at glade ****ing amazing }
cj bollad
clarkee
lomas
hms

[FuK-NuT]

mark hawkins

[DannyBlack]

clarkee
lomas
hms
mark hawkins

Who are these chaps?

[FuK-NuT]

serious?

[davethedrummer]

Who are these chaps?

they are innovators !

christ man! keep up FFS!

[palelung]

the black dog

[krimewave]

Mundo Musique

[DannyBlack]

they are innovators !

christ man! keep up FFS!


Ah, my bad!
I am but a lowley plebian! I know not of the innovators :lol:

[rhythmtech]

Ah, my bad!
I am but a lowley plebian! I know not of the innovators :lol:

danny, read the bloody names again. you do know them :lol:

[DannyBlack]

Man, I have no idea who they are!