808 State- Cubik.

[DannyBlack]

Deadly. I knew I recognised the synth part from somewhere. I have the igntion technician record with this sample in it. Savage. Never heard the original.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoFUiihvr0

[Paul Zykotik]

Awesome tune. The kind that had parents all over the country worrying for their children's future.

[DannyBlack]

:lol: "Drugs, dirty dancing and pounding pounding techno music..."

[Miss Saysay]

Awesome tune, i have this myself, would LOVE the ignition technician one though, heard it on a couple of his mixes, infact he uses loads of oldskool techno samples in his tunes, there ACE and i want them all NOW haha! :biggrin:

[MARK ANXIOUS]

yeah really cained the original but when ig gave me a cd with their bootleg on, it blew me away.

if anyone reads this and is interested, i found their 91 radio shows on the net.. just do a search ;)

[DannyBlack]

oooh that would be aces! what was yoursearch criteria? 808 state Radio show 91?

[DannyBlack]

yeah really cained the original but when ig gave me a cd with their bootleg on, it blew me away. ;)

I got the vinyl promo of Wilko, and its signed too. I win. :lol:

[Miss Saysay]

Was browsing my emails today and noticed one from a record site saying Infamous 002 was now back in stock!! GET IN! Bought it today. :cool:

[DannyBlack]

That record does NOT disappoint!

If you like that, check out Ignition technicians "Work ya body", here it is being played by me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f73l9F6YGI

:lol: shameless plug. :-)

[davethedrummer]

is that the track that goes " der der der der " ?

or the one that goes " ner ner ner ner "?

i can never remember

[DannyBlack]

ner ner ner ni ner I think.

[snooch]

You're both girlymen, it's the one that goes ba ba ba ba ba. Also listen to the first post in this thread. DUH!!

[Miss Saysay]

That record does NOT disappoint!

If you like that, check out Ignition technicians "Work ya body", here it is being played by me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f73l9F6YGI

:lol: shameless plug. :-)

Top tune!! \o/ :cool:

[DannyBlack]

F*ckin love it! Ignition technician is a legend and one of my alltime favorite producers.

[Miss Saysay]

He's one of mine too, i have so many of his tunes in my wants list on discogs :ohdear: love his style!

I watched him live @ locked in manc, 2006 and OMG :notworthy: i fckin loved every second of his set!! Loved the oldskool samples, didnt stop stomping!! :dance:

[DannyBlack]

bigtime! I have loads of his stuff to, do you have that one that goes "Bring it back to the old school!!"? Cannot remember the name on it, but what a pounder!!!

I saw him twice here, the second time he had people jumping so much that the needle kept skipping of the decks. :lol: good times!!

[Miss Saysay]

bigtime! I have loads of his stuff to, do you have that one that goes "Bring it back to the old school!!"? Cannot remember the name on it, but what a pounder!!!

I saw him twice here, the second time he had people jumping so much that the needle kept skipping of the decks. :lol: good times!!

Yeah i have that, its called 'The Droids Are Back In Town' its got 'work this motherfcker' on the bside, which is ace! Steve Poindexter sample there :cool:

Another one i love is the 'I feel Love' (donna summers ) one on his label DJ Special Needs , TOP TUNE imo! \o/

[DannyBlack]

Never heard that record, gonna check asap! :dance:

[Miss Saysay]

Never heard that record, gonna check asap! :dance:

http://www.discogs.com/release/626476

Its well worth a buy!! :cheese: :dance:

[DannyBlack]

on it! cheers for the recomendation girly!! :-)

[Miss Saysay]

on it! cheers for the recomendation girly!! :-)

No probs!! :wink: :cheese:

Was gonna go see him play in liverpool next month but something else has come up so im gonna have to wait till next year now :doh:

[DannyBlack]

ah sickner! im sure he be playin around somewhere sooner than that!

[Miss Saysay]

According to his myspace he's playing in Sheffield on the 17th October but im out dj'in on the 18th and its difficult for me to get out 2 nights in a row , after that he's in oz till 2009 lol , bummer! Nay mind, im gonna damn well make sure i catch him next year! :biggrin:

[DannyBlack]

perfect excuse to go to Oz! :lol: I seen him twice so far and he rocked it. Top bloke. If I can pull off something im working on id love to get him in again.

[BDC]

I had this on cassette :)

I think I still have it in a box somewhere in my house...lol


Classic...

[Miss Saysay]

perfect excuse to go to Oz! :lol: I seen him twice so far and he rocked it. Top bloke. If I can pull off something im working on id love to get him in again.


Im loving the 'chicken fckers' intro atm , haha quality!! :lol:

[Andrez]

Yep, Cubik - what a classic!!

[Microdot]

Awesome tune, i have this myself, would LOVE the ignition technician one though, heard it on a couple of his mixes, infact he uses loads of oldskool techno samples in his tunes, there ACE and i want them all NOW haha! :biggrin:

pm me and I'll get you a copy. I produced all those rave trax with wilko.

[DannyBlack]

pm me and I'll get you a copy. I produced all those rave trax with wilko.

You're nuccle??


great work man. great f@ckin work.

[Microdot]

Im loving the 'chicken fckers' intro atm , haha quality!! :lol:

innit, we stole it from the Rob Zombie movie "The Devil's Rejects" (sequel to "House of 1000 Corpses")

[Miss Saysay]

pm me and I'll get you a copy. I produced all those rave trax with wilko.

I have a copy now, thanks though and as danny said, great work!! :cool: I am after a copy of champions of techno the one with the prodigy sample in it though? (Dont get anything if you dont ask!) :tongue: Love all the oldskool sampled ones! :dance:


innit, we stole it from the Rob Zombie movie "The Devil's Rejects" (sequel to "House of 1000 Corpses")

haha, ace! Proper random, was laughing to it again yesterday.

[Microdot]

I have a copy now, thanks though and as danny said, great work!! :cool: I am after a copy of champions of techno the one with the prodigy sample in it though? (Dont get anything if you dont ask!) :tongue: Love all the oldskool sampled ones! :dance:



haha, ace! Proper random, was laughing to it again yesterday.

I'll have a look see if I've got a spare. If I have, you can have it.
Unfortunately, John Warwick's disappeared with a couple hundred copies of it.

If you like hard Techno interspersed with oldskool shit, check this out. one of my sets from earlier this year:-

http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/

[...Dave...]

If you like hard Techno interspersed with oldskool shit, check this out. one of my sets from earlier this year:-

http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/


:clap:

me likes:biggrin:

[DannyBlack]

I'll have a look see if I've got a spare. If I have, you can have it.
Unfortunately, John Warwick's disappeared with a couple hundred copies of it.

If you like hard Techno interspersed with oldskool shit, check this out. one of my sets from earlier this year:-

http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/



OOOOOHHHH yes! thank you kindly sir! John Warwick still not been located?

[Lag]

techno artists sampling other techno artists
how sad
like hes retarded enough to be unable to play 4 tones on a synth

[DannyBlack]

Theres nowt wrong with sampling. I love sampling.

[krimewave]

techno artists sampling other techno artists
how sad
like hes retarded enough to be unable to play 4 tones on a synth

shut up you fcuking spastic

[Miss Saysay]

I'll have a look see if I've got a spare. If I have, you can have it.
Unfortunately, John Warwick's disappeared with a couple hundred copies of it.

If you like hard Techno interspersed with oldskool shit, check this out. one of my sets from earlier this year:-

http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/

Aah ace, thanks alot! :cheese:

That sets wicked by the way!! :dance:

[Lag]

shut up you fcuking spastic

did i hurt some con artists feelings? aww

[force]

did i hurt some con artists feelings? aww

No mate, you just made a genuinely 'twatty' comment.

Ever heard of remixes/bootlegs?

The fact is, Cubik was a big, big tune back in the day and i can fully appreciate sampling the main riff and dropping it into a techno set, if only for the buzz and excitement it would solicit on the dancefloor amongst the punters old enough to remember it the first time round.

But hey, if you dont get it...:)

[krimewave]

did i hurt some con artists feelings? aww

I doubt it. all the con artists I know rarely frequent internet forums, they are generally too busy putting their latest scams into practice.

the point I was trying to make is that you're just a spastic who should shut up because you're opinions are infantile, uneducated and misinformed.
pretty self explanatory from my original post really.

[Lag]

well thats one way to look at it
the other is that ure wrong
i prefer the second one and so does god

using material from other genres and quotes from movies - yeah that can be pretty punk
using material from the same genre as ur own - thats just sad

[Siege]

Ding ding....round 4

[krimewave]

well thats one way to look at it
the other is that ure wrong
i prefer the second one and so does god

using material from other genres and quotes from movies - yeah that can be pretty punk
using material from the same genre as ur own - thats just sad

thick cunt

[Lag]

manner.

[force]

well thats one way to look at it
the other is that ure wrong
i prefer the second one and so does god

using material from other genres and quotes from movies - yeah that can be pretty punk
using material from the same genre as ur own - thats just sad

i repeat.....


No mate, you just made a genuinely 'twatty' comment.

Ever heard of remixes/bootlegs?

The fact is, Cubik was a big, big tune back in the day and i can fully appreciate sampling the main riff and dropping it into a techno set, if only for the buzz and excitement it would solicit on the dancefloor amongst the punters old enough to remember it the first time round.

But hey, if you dont get it...:)


Btw, God dont exist, youv'e been conned

[krimewave]

I'm a bellend

I know

[Lag]

even though its written on the label that its a rework, he still has his name behind the track title (which differs from "cubik")

bootlegging techno into techno is lame, remixing is great as long as u say its a remix and not ur own song or a, lol, rework

[Lag]

I know
nice one, never seen that before
hehe please make some more good jokes
why dont u try some pictures from 4chan too, that way u will truly pwn me!

[krimewave]

even though its written on the label that its a rework, he still has his name behind the track title (which differs from "cubik")

bootlegging techno into techno is lame, remixing is great as long as u say its a remix and not ur own song or a, lol, rework

oh, I see.
it's what it says on the label that's important as opposed to what comes out of the speakers.
well I guess that's us told.

[Lag]

ah MUSIC MATTERS THE MOST
why dont we just steal the **** out of each others stuff
hey, ill just take the new surgeon remix of grovskopa, put a bit of distortion over it and voila! lag - sunrise!
a new hit! only that its not gonna be cause 500k chinese "musicians" just did the same thing

[DannyBlack]

Chill out chaps! Some like to sample techno and some don't. No need to get all handbaggy about it!

its all good! :-)

[Siege]

Ding ding....round 5

[force]

bootlegging techno into techno is lame, remixing is great as long as u say its a remix and not ur own song or a, lol, rework


Right, i see

Cubik is a techno record now is it?


well done

[Lag]

Right, i see

Cubik is a techno record now is it?


well done
so in your logic basic channel isnt minimal because it doesnt resemble todays minimal?

well done

and as far as i know this was called techno back then

[Siege]

Ding ding....round 6

[force]

and as far as i know this was called techno back then

Then you've shown you know very little then.....


Bit of a fail there i'm afraid...

[Lag]

http://www.discogs.com/release/14270
http://www.discogs.com/release/51728
http://www.discogs.com/release/32580
http://www.discogs.com/release/75241
http://www.discogs.com/release/139720
http://www.discogs.com/release/163215
http://www.discogs.com/release/59821
http://www.discogs.com/release/15576


check out "style" on any of them

[Siege]

Ding ding....round 7

[force]

http://www.discogs.com/release/14270
http://www.discogs.com/release/51728
http://www.discogs.com/release/32580
http://www.discogs.com/release/75241
http://www.discogs.com/release/139720
http://www.discogs.com/release/163215
http://www.discogs.com/release/59821
http://www.discogs.com/release/15576


check out "style" on any of them

Debate over



stop digging mate

:)

[Siege]

Lol....that was quite entertaining:)

[Lag]

cant wait for force to upload some of his songs :D
my sampler is ready

[force]

cant wait for force to upload some of his songs :D
my sampler is ready


Well, after hearing Shadwell,

my samplers not ; )

There's a few of my tracks posted in prod files already.

be interested to hear what you do

[Siege]

Well, after hearing Shadwell,

my samplers not ; )

There's a few of my tracks posted in prod files already.

be interested to hear what you do

Oooo thats a good one! haha

thought we,d knocked this debate on the head?

[DannyBlack]

This debate makes me want to knock myself on the head...

[Lag]

Well, after hearing Shadwell,

my samplers not ; )

There's a few of my tracks posted in prod files already.

be interested to hear what you do

mind u, id probably be insulted if u liked my stuff ;)]
now go off and sample a regis record, its music that matters
and btw, its not techno. no snare on the second kick u see

[DannyBlack]

I'll have a look see if I've got a spare. If I have, you can have it.
Unfortunately, John Warwick's disappeared with a couple hundred copies of it.

If you like hard Techno interspersed with oldskool shit, check this out. one of my sets from earlier this year:-

http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/



:dance:

[DannyBlack]

I'll have a look see if I've got a spare. If I have, you can have it.
Unfortunately, John Warwick's disappeared with a couple hundred copies of it.

If you like hard Techno interspersed with oldskool shit, check this out. one of my sets from earlier this year:-

http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/



Do you have a track list for this pleases?

[force]

mind u, id probably be insulted if u liked my stuff ;)]
now go off and sample a regis record, its music that matters
and btw, its not techno. no snare on the second kick u see




M'Kay,


you win

[Lag]

yippie kay-yay

[Microdot]

Do you have a track list for this pleases?


Nuccle Live/DJ combo track list

01. Player - Player 014 B1 (Infamous Player)
02. Public Energy - Three O' Three (Probe)
03. Red Tide - Werk That Bitch (Core)/Work That Motherfcuker - Steve Poindexter.
04. Red Tide - Protect Ya Neck (Core)
05. Player - Player 023 A1/Cold Dust - Rio Grande (Red Seal)
06. Player - Player 027 B2 (Infamous Player)
07. Player - Player 027 A2 (Infamous Player)
08. Player - Player 027 A1/B1 Combo (Infamous Player)
09. Nuccle - Live Acid Jam (unreleased)
10. Player - Player 025 B1 (Infamous Player)
11. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Fcuk Religion (unreleased)
12. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Invade The Pitch (unreleased)
13. Player - Player 025 B2 (Infamous Player)
14. Cold Dust - Snakepit (Red Seal)
15. Nuccle - Live Acid Jam # 2 (unreleased)
16. Player - Malfunction bootleg (unreleased)
17. Nuccle - Live Acid Jam # 2 reprise (unreleased)
18. Player - Good Life Bootleg (unreleased)
19. Random XS - Give Your Body (D'Jax)
20. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Missile Command (unreleased)
21. Player - Player 020 A1 (Infamous Player)
22. Pitch Invasion - Grampus 8 (Core)/Joey Beltram - Oval (Tresor)
23. Joey Beltram - Beyonder (?) (Tresor)
24. Joey Beltram - Metro (Tresor)
25. Joey Beltram - Aumento (Tresor)
26. Player - Player 029 B1 (Infamous Player)
27. Player - Player 029 A1 (infamous Player)
28. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Kaos Rave (Infamous)
29. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - I'm The Shit (Infamous)
30. Player - Player 016 A1 (Infamous Player)
31. DJ Mika - Code Red (Mastertraxx)
32. Player - Player 012 A1 (Infamous Player)
33. Pete Simpson - Pioneers (Core)
34. Mike Humphries - Human Prey - Nuccle Rmx (unreleased)
35. Player - Player 028 B1 (Infamous Player)
36. Nuccle vs Ignition Technician - Isolation Cubes (Infamous)
37. Joey Beltram - 5.7 litre (Tresor)
38. Joey Beltram - SetUps (Tresor)
39. Re-Werx - Hardwax Bootleg (Re-Werx)

alot of the Player, Cold Dust, Nuccle trax won't be the same as the records cause they're either live versions or have got extra instruments/samples over the top....

[rhythmtech]

@ lag

first off.. your talking about a label that has sold huge amounts on the techno scene and has been played by everyone from the smallest dj to the biggest crowd puller, aswell as a producer that has released some very important totally original tracks (red seal stuff etc). whatever your tastes dont try to belittle something someone else has done cause nobody is sitting around slagging your stuff of.

if you want to go down the elitist route on this, can you say that every single sound you've ever made has been synthesised by you personally.. cause if you've ever used an 808 or 909 sample then you're obviously not as original as you'd like to think.

@ nuccle - we've seen all this b4 on here and the majority of us recognise whats good and whats not. keep doin what you do man, most of us love player records for exactly what it is. good party techno

[Lag]

@ lag

first off.. your talking about a label that has sold huge amounts on the techno scene and has been played by everyone from the smallest dj to the biggest crowd puller, aswell as a producer that has released some very important totally original tracks (red seal stuff etc). whatever your tastes dont try to belittle something someone else has done cause nobody is sitting around slagging your stuff of.

theres an "artist" here called goran bregovic. plays and "composes" ethnic music. very popular. never wrote a song in his life.
for example, my teacher who was doing the sound design for a movie collected a bunch of old ethnic songs. bregovic just came by and put his name under the songs.

i know ignition didnt do anything that bad, but what ure saying is basically that just because someone/something is popular im supposed to overlook their moments of "fake"?


if you want to go down the elitist route on this, can you say that every single sound you've ever made has been synthesised by you personally.. cause if you've ever used an 808 or 909 sample then you're obviously not as original as you'd like to think.
ah, so sound quality has everything to do with music. i see. so a kick sample is someones musical piece, a composition? i find its just a kick sample. using rythm loops, however, is already wrong (as it has a musical value). if u put ur name on a song it means u did the music stuff.
im not against using samples or even synths if u change them beyond recognition. it means u actually did some music work.
lifting someones main song theme, putting it as ur own song theme and calling it ur own song is beyond lame.

i mean, ud have no problem if someone took the aphex twin - on theme (the piano + pad), put a schranz loop (that uve heard in the "schranz essentials volume 3" loop pack) over it and called it his own song? its not his song, its aphex twin + a schranz loop (dj vinyl mashup [please dont sue me])

[wenna]

where is the post in which jon claims 'the sample' as his own?

[Lag]

called it his own song. its not his song, its aphex twin + a schranz loop (dj vinyl mashup)
:|

[rhythmtech]

theres an "artist" here called goran bregovic. plays and "composes" ethnic music. very popular. never wrote a song in his life.
for example, my teacher who was doing the sound design for a movie collected a bunch of old ethnic songs. bregovic just came by and put his name under the songs.

i know ignition didnt do anything that bad, but what ure saying is basically that just because someone/something is popular im supposed to overlook their moments of "fake"?


when did it stop being fun for you? jeez, lighten up - there are well respected producers out there who are running bootleg labels on the side but nobody seems to bothered about it.

music is meant to evoke feelings within you, be it happiness, saddness, anger, whatever. im pretty sure its not made to be analysed over until all the enjoyment dissappears.



i mean, ud have no problem if someone took the aphex twin - on theme (the piano + pad), put a schranz loop (that uve heard in the "schranz essentials volume 3" loop pack) over it and called it his own song? its not his song, its aphex twin + a schranz loop (dj vinyl mashup [please dont sue me])


just because i might personally think its shit doesnt mean it has less musical value than anything else. its not for me, you or anyone else to make that judgement. the ONLY thing we have a right to state is our own opinion based on our musical tastes.

[Lag]

when did it stop being fun for you? jeez, lighten up - there are well respected producers out there who are running bootleg labels on the side but nobody seems to bothered about it. i dont actually get that excited about it if it says its a bootleg man.


music is meant to evoke feelings within you, be it happiness, saddness, anger, whatever. im pretty sure its not made to be analysed over until all the enjoyment dissappears.
i pretty much enjoy music man and it means very much to me. i have to over-analyse everything though because im just like that.
i talked to several friends about this topic the last night. i still cant get my head around the fact that someone actually thinks that this is good and that he/she would be so infuriated by the suggestion that it isnt that he/she has to call me names and offend me. it took me completely by surprise. i still cant believe it. its getting more and more apparent why some people i really respect left this place.
im not saying ure the one of the critical ones - u have a different opinion than me and ure argumenting it politely. thats to be respected, no matter how wrong i think u are. im talking about the guys who are insulting me for calling stealing - stealing.


just because i might personally think its shit doesnt mean it has less musical value than anything else. its not for me, you or anyone else to make that judgement. the ONLY thing we have a right to state is our own opinion based on our musical tastes.
indeed, but no matter how much i dislike ignition technician stuff i never said anything about his music ;)

[force]

Look lag, you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, just as others are entitled to theirs.
There is no right/wrong (within reason) there's just music and what floats others boats, won't necessarily float your's.

You talk about name calling, but may i just remind you of this.



like hes retarded enough to be unable to play 4 tones on a synth

You implied a couple of very good techno producers are 'retards' on the basis of one track you disagreed with the concept of.
You could have just said, Nah, don't like this at all, i think its cheating. But instead you chose to be offensive and thats when thing got a bit heated.

That's why i came down pretty hard on you but i'm sure you wont lose any sleep over it.

[Lag]

i said "like hes". how is that impliying a "he is"
if i truly thought that he is retarded enough that he couldnt play 4 tones i would have just said "look, a retardus! trying to make music! how sweet."

and even if i have insulted them (how is it "them/multiple techno producers" all of the sudden?) i havent insulted you, have i? or is he your brother/girlfriend/dad?

[force]

Ha ha


goodnight Lag

[krimewave]

well anyway...... dont forget to DL the mix kids:-



http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/

the sleeve notes ain't really up to much I'm afraid, in fact there are none.
but almost as important (but not quite of course), the tunes are banging.

[rhythmtech]

i dont actually get that excited about it if it says its a bootleg man.
but some do.. personally i love most of the early clones and i love RWX.



i still cant believe it. its getting more and more apparent why some people i really respect left this place.

to be honest a lot of them left because they were elitist and couldnt accept the fact that people liked something that they didnt.


im talking about the guys who are insulting me for calling stealing - stealing.
first you shouldnt have been insulted, no need. but you're calling sampling stealing. whether or not the sampling is creative or not, its still sampling.
you yourself said that its ok to sample from differant genres, is sampling from a differant genre stealing aswell? if so you seem to condone it, if not why is only sampling from techno/dance stealing? (i hope you can see my confusion on this issue)


indeed, but no matter how much i dislike ignition technician stuff i never said anything about his music
try to remember that microdot, krimewave and ig technician have done a lot of tracks together on the player label thru the years and essentially thats the particular style we're debating here.

[Microdot]

Lol....that was quite entertaining:)

not really, unless by "entertaining" you mean "irritating".

[koma]

using material from the same genre as ur own - thats just sad

strange
i thought half of that "dark techno" scene was sampling surgeon/bmb and the likes...

[Jay Pace]

All techno must be made from new noises using new rhythm structures at new bpm levels.

Anything resembling anything else is officially rubbish.

I'm so original I shit the future.

[Lag]

but some do.. personally i love most of the early clones and i love RWX.
im just saying, sign the track as it is.


to be honest a lot of them left because they were elitist and couldnt accept the fact that people liked something that they didnt.
i know a few guys who left and all of them left because someone went into a fight with them over nothing and was pretty unpleasant. witnessed a few of those too.



first you shouldnt have been insulted, no need. but you're calling sampling stealing. whether or not the sampling is creative or not, its still sampling.
you yourself said that its ok to sample from differant genres, is sampling from a differant genre stealing aswell? if so you seem to condone it, if not why is only sampling from techno/dance stealing? (i hope you can see my confusion on this issue)
first of, do u know what "monkey sphere" is?
second, as i already explained, sampling from other genres has a punk quality to it. from what i know in the beggining the whole electronic scene had a big "**** you" attitude towards everything else so sampling from other genres came a bit natural. but then again, i dont remember someone taking the main ****ing theme, making it his own theme and calling it his own song. take fatboy slim for example. most of his songs are based on cut up pieces of old funk records. he cuts it up and takes the whole thing out of context, does some heavy processing and editing and it turns out as a completely different thing than the original (in which the sample is just 5% of the song).
electronic music is very minimal. if u take the MAIN THEME and use it as UR MAIN THEME with different beats - its a bootleg, not ur own song.



try to remember that microdot, krimewave and ig technician have done a lot of tracks together on the player label thru the years and essentially thats the particular style we're debating here.
and..?

[Lag]

strange
i thought half of that "dark techno" scene was sampling surgeon/bmb and the likes...

and thats why everybody hates takaaki itoh.

[Lag]

All techno must be made from new noises using new rhythm structures at new bpm levels.

Anything resembling anything else is officially rubbish.

I'm so original I shit the future.

yeah, thats excatly what i said! ure not being a dick!

[rhythmtech]

im just saying, sign the track as it is.

and what if the re-work is better?


i know a few guys who left and all of them left because someone went into a fight with them over nothing and was pretty unpleasant. witnessed a few of those too.
ive been in fights with a few and i can tell you most are started because acid or loopy or whatever isnt cool enough for them so they go and have a period.




first of, do u know what "monkey sphere" is?
just googled it.. im confused :lol:



take fatboy slim for example. most of his songs are based on cut up pieces of old funk records. he cuts it up and takes the whole thing out of context, does some heavy processing and editing and it turns out as a completely different thing

are we talking about a differant fatboy slim? cause i can think of 5 of his tracks off the top of my head that sound like the original tracks with a beat thrown on.. and a fancy breakdown (that one that samples "the who" for a start).. still fun tunes though


and..?
all im saying is dont be surprised you're getting his back up when you're basically calling him a thief. the reaction certainly doesnt surprise me, i'd be the same.

[rhythmtech]

heres another fatboy example

praise you - creative sampling? i dont think so.. still a classic rip though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1zJGDQy1qA

[Lag]

its a different genre, its not 4 famous notes + the main theme at the same time, and its 5% of the song which is just an intro and fatboy slim put it into a completely different context. from what i remember about the song he did a lot of cutting up of the vocal etc.

[Lag]

and what if the re-work is better?
then we come back to this: if i take aphex twin - on, put a schranz loop over it and some schranzie likes it, that mean i can call it my own song?


ive been in fights with a few and i can tell you most are started because acid or loopy or whatever isnt cool enough for them so they go and have a period.
lol
were talking about different guys obviously :)


just googled it.. im confused :lol:
think about it.. :)


all im saying is dont be surprised you're getting his back up when you're basically calling him a thief. the reaction certainly doesnt surprise me, i'd be the same.
i called someone a thief because i think it is so and then someone called me a spastic (based on disagreeing) and another one told me my music sucks (which i dont deny, even though a lot of people whos music i love actually really like the mentioned song, but i have no idea what does it have to do with the issue)

[force]

and another one told me my music sucks

If thats a reference to me, i'd like to correct you.

I never said your music sucks, i never even said Shadwell sucks.

I said i didn't like it but also acknowledge people have different tastes and it was just personal preference at the end of the day.
There has to be music you dont like cos it spurs you on more to make music you do like...

I have'nt listened to anything else of yours as yet and who knows, i may like it.

I certainly wouldn't be petty enough to say i didn't like it, or it sucked just because of our disagreement on here.

[Jay Pace]

yeah, thats excatly what i said! ure not being a dick!

chill dude, just jestin

[Lag]

If thats a reference to me, i'd like to correct you.

I never said your music sucks, i never even said Shadwell sucks.

I said i didn't like it but also acknowledge people have different tastes and it was just personal preference at the end of the day.
There has to be music you dont like cos it spurs you on more to make music you do like...

I have'nt listened to anything else of yours as yet and who knows, i may like it.

I certainly wouldn't be petty enough to say i didn't like it, or it sucked just because of our disagreement on here.
in the end it will turn out that nobody actually meant anything bad and that it was all just a case of series of postings in the wrong topic :lol:

[DannyBlack]

aye, you killed my thread F*CKERS!!!!

:lol:

[krimewave]

*tumbleweed*

[krimewave]

yeah, thats excatly what i said! ure not being a dick!

he was taking the piss you thick cunt.

in response to some of the other ignorant shite you were spouting.

do you honestly expect someone who's sampled "the punisher" for example to name their track "the punisher" also?
sounds like a surefire way to get your record taken off the shelves or get sued to me.

thick cunt. (oh I said that already, never mind one more for luck ay)

thick cunt.

[Lag]

have fun in ur life mate.

[Miss Saysay]

well anyway...... dont forget to DL the mix kids:-



http://www.zshare.net/audio/104388629bc96958/

the sleeve notes ain't really up to much I'm afraid, in fact there are none.
but almost as important (but not quite of course), the tunes are banging.

Well id just like to say how fckin ace i think this mix is!!! :dance:....

''It's fckin ace'' ....ah thankyou! :cheese:

[djfilthmonger]

yeah, thats excatly what i said! ure not being a dick!

okay let me get this straight, everyone who doesnt agree with ya is dick...
some logic you have there matey....

Schranz excellent as well imo . gotta love thoses white labels.

[Lag]

making fun (putting down) somebody who is trying to have a serious argumentative conversation by purposely misinterpreting what he has to say to make it sound stupid is what i call "being a dick"
and now ure doing the same thing

[krimewave]

making fun (putting down) somebody who is trying to have a serious argumentative conversation by purposely misinterpreting what he has to say to make it sound stupid is what i call "being a dick"
and now ure doing the same thing


you weren't making a serious argument, you were "being a dick".
stop being such a crybaby.

[djfilthmonger]

making fun (putting down) somebody who is trying to have a serious argumentative conversation by purposely misinterpreting what he has to say to make it sound stupid is what i call "being a dick"
and now ure doing the same thing

You dont like sampling in techno music , I do . . I think your a sound guy and i enjoy your music , I just taught this argument got very childish. music is music its allways been the end result that matters for me and not the way it was made.

Wilko is very hard working producer and dj... got respect that even if your not into the way he does it our how it sounds.

[Lag]

this argument got nasty when people started insulting me for my opinion (which happened as soon as i stated my opinion)
and i still dont get the "i dont care how it was made - end result matters!" argument
that kind of attitude would justify cheating and corruption and i was raised to despise those.

[rhythmtech]

this argument got nasty when people started insulting me for my opinion (which happened as soon as i stated my opinion)
1 person insulted you which got your back up. that doesnt mean everyone who disagrees with you is insulting you.


and i still dont get the "i dont care how it was made - end result matters!" argument
you dont have to get it. differant people think differantly.


that kind of attitude would justify cheating and corruption and i was raised to despise those.
nobody is being sly or trying to pretend that theres no sampling going on.. its out in the open and celebrated, so i think you just need to get over your own issues with it and stop having a go at people for doing their thing.

if you dont like it then dont buy it - but dont dis the producer just because you have an opinion on the proper way to do things

[Lag]

the way i see it 3 people insulted me
you would see things differently if u were in my shues i guess

[rhythmtech]

the way i see it 3 people insulted me
you would see things differently if u were in my shues i guess

1 person insulted you (2 differant log-ins) and 1 took the piss, which you choose to take as an insult while everyone else can see it for what it is.

[koma]

offtopic


1 person (2 differant log-ins)

i think its time to sort this out and delete one account. 1 person = 1 account. people should know we are aware when someone posts under more than one username and that its not allowed.

[Lag]

force is krimewave?

now call me daft but i think i can have an opinion and im entitled to seeing things my way. ure all about tolerance, but when i find something insulting u make it seem as i CHOSE to see it the way u do.

u know mate, im just like u guys and i see everything like u do. i even like the same music u do. i just CHOSE not to act and say stuff like u cause i want to be a dick.

last time i checked im not the king of the world, and neither is one of u guys.
i like gay jokes, ok? a lot of my friends like gay jokes too. some people dont take too kindly to those. u dont caress his leg and then go "wtf" when he beats u up if thats the case, and u especially dont do that while hes in the middle of the fight with his girlfriend.
theres a placne and time for anything. i was in the middle of a serious argument with some tension around and the guy pops in and makes fun of me. so now im the dick for taking offence, right?

[krimewave]

offtopic



i think its time to sort this out and delete one account. 1 person = 1 account. people should know we are aware when someone posts under more than one username and that its not allowed.

cant do much about that tbh.
my firefox wont login as microdot for some reason.
and now safari wont work at all.
I stated in one of the first krimewave posts that microdot and krimewave were one and the same (at the time it depended which browser I was using).

I insulted Lag because he insulted me.
I used infantile and insulting language because I have no time for idiots.
why the fcuk should I waste my time writing well thought out and reasonable 500 word responses to people who are willfully ignorant?
tried that before on here and ended up with some prick called tocsin following me round ("trolling" I think you internet veterens call it) trying to make a fool of me.
I'd rather just call a cunt a cunt and be on me way.

[krimewave]

i like gay jokes, ok? a lot of my friends like gay jokes too. some people dont take too kindly to those. u dont caress his leg and then go "wtf" when he beats u up if thats the case, and u especially dont do that while hes in the middle of the fight with his girlfriend.


????

[Lag]

cant do much about that tbh.
my firefox wont login as microdot for some reason.
and now safari wont work at all.
I stated in one of the first krimewave posts that microdot and krimewave were one and the same (at the time it depended which browser I was using).

I insulted Lag because he insulted me.
I used infantile and insulting language because I have no time for idiots.
why the fcuk should I waste my time writing well thought out and reasonable 500 word responses to people who are willfully ignorant?
tried that before on here and ended up with some prick called tocsin following me round ("trolling" I think you internet veterens call it) trying to make a fool of me.
I'd rather just call a cunt a cunt and be on me way.
then be on your way already

[rhythmtech]

cant do much about that tbh.
my firefox wont login as microdot for some reason.
and now safari wont work at all.
I stated in one of the first krimewave posts that microdot and krimewave were one and the same (at the time it depended which browser I was using).

I insulted Lag because he insulted me.
I used infantile and insulting language because I have no time for idiots.
why the fcuk should I waste my time writing well thought out and reasonable 500 word responses to people who are willfully ignorant?
tried that before on here and ended up with some prick called tocsin following me round ("trolling" I think you internet veterens call it) trying to make a fool of me.
I'd rather just call a cunt a cunt and be on me way.

well jon you're just gonna have to pick one (krimewave i presume?) and we'll get mark to sort out the other account.

@ krimewave & lag
as far as the insults in this thread are concerned, its just not on. im not gonna get all heavy handed about it because you both have your own views.. i just want the two of you to quit it.

krimewave - Lag is entitled to his own opinion on the matter and however you may feel theres no need to get quite so personal.

Lag - krimewave is entitled to make music whatever way he wants without having to listen to you calling him a thief because you have some issues with his workflow

and theres no need to get all "but he said this and she said that" - its on plain view who said what to who.. so lets just get passed it.. mmk?

as far as the thing with tocsin is concerned i didnt even see it - can anyone provide a link?

[rhythmtech]

force is krimewave?

now call me daft but i think i can have an opinion and im entitled to seeing things my way. ure all about tolerance, but when i find something insulting u make it seem as i CHOSE to see it the way u do.

u know mate, im just like u guys and i see everything like u do. i even like the same music u do. i just CHOSE not to act and say stuff like u cause i want to be a dick.

last time i checked im not the king of the world, and neither is one of u guys.
i like gay jokes, ok? a lot of my friends like gay jokes too. some people dont take too kindly to those. u dont caress his leg and then go "wtf" when he beats u up if thats the case, and u especially dont do that while hes in the middle of the fight with his girlfriend.
theres a placne and time for anything. i was in the middle of a serious argument with some tension around and the guy pops in and makes fun of me. so now im the dick for taking offence, right?

im sorry but what? :eek:

this is nothing to do with someones sexuality. its just about music for gods sake. lighten up a bit will ye?

[Jay Pace]

making fun (putting down) somebody who is trying to have a serious argumentative conversation by purposely misinterpreting what he has to say to make it sound stupid is what i call "being a dick"
and now ure doing the same thing

FFS
I said I was jestin. If you're so thin skinned you can't deal with a bit of banter on a public forum you shouldn't be here.

This a general argument I've heard a zillion times from various camps in various genres. If I make a comment, don't assume its directed at you. Its a public forum and a public thread. This isn't about you, its the topic you raised.

[krimewave]

then be on your way already

no. go fcuk yourself.

there were 3 or 4 of us talking about a classic techno record in a perfectly civilised manner until you poked your nose in you fcuking prick.

as for arguments and insults. I'll express myself in any way I see fit, and I'll take whatever consequences come my way.

Lag, if you act like a prick expect to be treated like one.

[Lag]

im sorry but what? :eek:

this is nothing to do with someones sexuality. its just about music for gods sake. lighten up a bit will ye?
didnt talk about sexuality at all. i just gave an example how something which is harmless can cause a fuss when applied in a wrong situation

anyway, i never ordered anyone to stop making music. i just called him a thief. as im gonna call shlomi aber. i certanly am not gonna protest and demonstrate but - what? i cant state my opinion?
lol. for example every edm forum has atleast one topic which has a sole purpose to flame shlomi aber.
only here people go "oh it doesnt matter weather or not its his - what comes out of the speaker is whats important!"
how come fatboy slim never got a penny out of his greatest hits then? cheating lawyers for sure :lol:

@jay pace - feel free to say "hey man, i dont mean u, i mean these other bunch of retards who havent anything to do you guys but just accidently sound something like you". thene i wont be offended for sure!

[Lag]

no. go fcuk yourself.

there were 3 or 4 of us talking about a classic techno record in a perfectly civilised manner until you poked your nose in you fcuking prick.

as for arguments and insults. I'll express myself in any way I see fit, and I'll take whatever consequences come my way.

Lag, if you act like a prick expect to be treated like one.
calling theft a theft isnt being a prick. calling me names for calling theft a theft is being a prick. you could have just said "well, i dont see it that way". i would still disagree but this wouldnt have all gotten unpleasant. get a grip. act up. ure not in high school anymore.

[rhythmtech]

heres the deal lads.. i asked you both to stop, if this goes on you'll both be given a few days away from the site to cool off..

just chill..

[Lag]

im chilled.
i hoped that this discussion was done like a week ago.

[force]

calling theft a theft isnt being a prick. calling me names for calling theft a theft is being a prick. you could have just said "well, i dont see it that way". i would still disagree but this wouldnt have all gotten unpleasant. get a grip. act up. ure not in high school anymore.

Lag, lag, lag, lag, lag......

You completely lost the 'theft' argument when you stated its ok to sample from different genres. Dead in the water mate.
How you cant see that, and i imagine you will continue to try and justify it is beyond me.

Now try and salvage just a little bit of dignity and walk away quietly, like a good little Lag.

You're starting to get embarrassing now. :)

[rhythmtech]

Lag,

You completely lost the 'theft' argument when you stated its ok to sample from different genres. Dead in the water mate.
How you cant see that, and i imagine you will continue to try and justify it is beyond me.


wasnt that the polite way you meant to put it darren? :wink:

[dan the acid man]

Can we lay off the personal insults please people

[Lag]

Lag, lag, lag, lag, lag......

You completely lost the 'theft' argument when you stated its ok to sample from different genres. Dead in the water mate.
How you cant see that, and i imagine you will continue to try and justify it is beyond me.

Now try and salvage just a little bit of dignity and walk away quietly, like a good little Lag.

You're starting to get embarrassing now. :)
nah man. i cant feel embarassed in front of a bunch of guys who think sampling a techno song and calling it ur own is justified and fine. if u dont understand how thats wrong, i dont expect u to understand a lot of things. explaining what i mean and why one is wronger than the other would probably be impossible, especially with cursewords and jokers involved.

im beggining to realise why a lot of people i respect have left this place.
u lads need to manner up if u want to keep this community alive.

[rhythmtech]

nah man. i cant feel embarassed in front of a bunch of guys who think sampling a techno song and calling it ur own is justified and fine. if u dont understand how thats wrong, i dont expect u to understand a lot of things. explaining what i mean and why one is wronger than the other would probably be impossible, especially with cursewords and jokers involved.

im beggining to realise why a lot of people i respect have left this place.
u lads need to manner up if u want to keep this community alive.

thats a pretty generalizing statement there lag,

"U lads" - i presume you're talking about the lads who your arguement is with? and if so how exactly are they responsible for the community here? believe it or not, there are a lot of people here with the same opinion and open-mind.

nowhere, in all my years involved with differant types of music, have i ever read a rule that says "you cannot do what you want" - if someone like krimewave chooses to sample a record (whatever genre) he's free to do so, whatever happens over that sample is no business of anyone but himself, how do you know that he hasnt paid royalties? im not saying he has or hasnt but you're sticking your nose in where frankly its got no business being.

critique his music as much as you like, you're entitled to and thats encouraged, but dont question the guy on his integrity & call him a thief.

[force]

nah man. i cant feel embarassed in front of a bunch of guys who think sampling a techno song and calling it ur own is justified and fine. if u dont understand how thats wrong, i dont expect u to understand a lot of things. explaining what i mean and why one is wronger than the other would probably be impossible, especially with cursewords and jokers involved.

im beggining to realise why a lot of people i respect have left this place.
u lads need to manner up if u want to keep this community alive.

I feel embarrassed for you... stop it!

[Lag]

thats a pretty generalizing statement there lag,

"U lads" - i presume you're talking about the lads who your arguement is with? and if so how exactly are they responsible for the community here? believe it or not, there are a lot of people here with the same opinion and open-mind.
yes, i most definetly dont mean u.


nowhere, in all my years involved with differant types of music, have i ever read a rule that says "you cannot do what you want"
http://www.low-life.fsnet.co.uk/copyright/
have fun


if someone like krimewave chooses to sample a record (whatever genre) he's free to do so, whatever happens over that sample is no business of anyone but himself, how do you know that he hasnt paid royalties? im not saying he has or hasnt but you're sticking your nose in where frankly its got no business being.
ah, so i dont have the right to have a opinion on anything (especially if its a negative one) untill i do complete and thorough research, and even if im right - who the hell do i think i am?
dude, why are even talking to me? DO YOU KNOW ME? DONT JUDGE ME =))))

lol, i cant believe u actually typed this out. think about it again

[rhythmtech]

see lag, by leaving out a sentence when you qoute me, its very easy to make it look like i meant one thing when i actually said another.

heres the bit you skipped


critique his music as much as you like, you're entitled to and thats encouraged, but dont question the guy on his integrity & call him a thief.


now where does that say you are not entitled to an opinion?

basically what you did was libalous - you accused him of being a thief without prior knowledge to the situation.

if thats how you choose to air your opinions then fine.. but dont be surprised when you raise a few hairs.

[Lag]

look under the second quote. ;)

[SlavikSvensk]

now where does that say you are not entitled to an opinion?

basically what you did was libalous - you accused him of being a thief without prior knowledge to the situation.

if thats how you choose to air your opinions then fine.. but dont be surprised when you raise a few hairs.

yeah got to agree, though i woudln't go so far as to say it's libel...just not very friendly or respectful

...big difference between saying "i don't care for it when people use such-and-such samples. to me it's not what i look for or want to see in the genre"

and


techno artists sampling other techno artists
how sad
like hes retarded enough to be unable to play 4 tones on a synth

people need to be a bit more careful about what they write in life sometimes

[rhythmtech]

ok, so you can type a link to a copyright law site. that still doesnt show how you came to the conclusion that krimewave is a thief, does it?

heres a few possiblities to digest:

1. he has paid royalties to original artists on tracks.
2. he knows original artists (remember that krimewave is in techno a long time and you dont know who he's friends with)
3. he didnt pay for or get permission to use samples

now, how can you be so sure without proof that he's a thief?

and more importantly what gives you the right to call him out over it considering that its actually none of your business

unless you happen to be the original artist.. are you secretly 808state?

[rhythmtech]

yeah got to agree, though i woudln't go so far as to say it's libel...just not very friendly or respectful

...big difference between saying "i don't care for it when people use such-and-such samples. to me it's not what i look for or want to see in the genre"


have a look at the "he is a thief" bit. i think that qualifies as libel?

[Lag]

basically what you did was libalous - you accused him of being a thief without prior knowledge to the situation.

actually what i said is "techno artists sampling other techno artists
how sad
like hes retarded enough to be unable to play 4 tones on a synth"

than i called him a con artist, and only then did i call him a thief.
do you remember: "do you honestly expect someone who's sampled "the punisher" for example to name their track "the punisher" also?
sounds like a surefire way to get your record taken off the shelves or get sued to me." ?

i have a certain opinion about edm "artists" sampling other edm artists. i also have a couple of prejudices, which, unfortunately, i never got wrong.

id really like to see the licence for that sample. and all the other samples inigiton BORROWED lol. ill gladly take back what i said. so...?

[SlavikSvensk]

have a look at the "he is a thief" bit. i think that qualifies as libel?

didn't see that. but if someone says a person is a thief, and it's not true or there's no proof under the applicable laws, it's libel under UK law. maybe US too, i don't know.

but if he didn't say "you're a thief," then it's not libel even if implied. then it's just disrespectful.

[rhythmtech]

actually what i said is "techno artists sampling other techno artists
how sad
like hes retarded enough to be unable to play 4 tones on a synth"
than i called him a con artist, and only then did i call him a thief.


thats his own words.

[rhythmtech]

id really like to see the licence for that sample. and all the other samples inigiton BORROWED lol. ill gladly take back what i said. so...?

so what?

im not wilko, i dont know what he has or hasnt got. and i dont need to know because im not the one accusing anyone of being a thief.

so just chill your boots please and drop this because you're goin down the wrong road on this.

[Lag]

haha. quite nicely done, how u made me look like the bad guy again for calling the man a thief two times already (which is wrong, as u say, because how the hell do i know if hes a thief - even though, krimewave, who seems to be better informed about ignition works, suggested that naming the song after the original would lead to sueing). anyway, i seem to be incompetent for further discussing, as im a bad man who does no good, and i would really like to apoligise to mr ignition for calling him a thief, to all involved for saying sampling techno and calling other peoples work ur own is wrong etc etc...

this forum will see me no more. rejoyce!

[rhythmtech]

haha. quite nicely done, how u made me look like the bad guy again for calling the man a thief two times already (which is wrong, as u say, because how the hell do i know if hes a thief - even though, krimewave, who seems to be better informed about ignition works, suggested that naming the song after the original would lead to sueing). anyway, i seem to be incompetent for further discussing, as im a bad man who does no good, and i would really like to apoligise to mr ignition for calling him a thief, to all involved for saying sampling techno and calling other peoples work ur own is wrong etc etc...

this forum will see me no more. rejoyce!

oh take off the dress you big drama queen.. all im saying to you is to quit the conversation.

[DannyBlack]

I love stealing music and you know what lads, non of ye are safe- you aint gettin' any royalties either. Suck my balls.

[Microdot]

"than i called him a con artist, and only then did i call him a thief.


dear idiot,

I've been resisting telling you this all through the thread, but in all seriousness, I think you need to spend more time working on your own music and less time spouting off about other people's records.

you are saying that myself and Ignition Technician are trying to pass other people's work off as our own, which is completely untrue.
we sampled a few old rave records and updated them because they were either too slow, or were not well enough produced to play in sets alongside modern Techno trax (production has moved on a long way since the early 90s, even if creativity hasn't).
the records were actually made for our own personal use and nothing more.
most people with IQs in triple figures appreciate and understand the idea, including the original artists, who have all received copies of the vinyl.

the only thief here is you son, because you're a time thief.

and if you ever called me a thief to my face, I would cut off your balls and stick them up your ass (and then take your wallet).
but, of course you would never say it to my face, I know because I've encountered your kind a million times before on the internet (that's the only place you ever find them because they lack the stones to mouth off to people in person), and you all respond in the same way when someone points out what a cunt you are.

you've come on here and insulted people by calling them sad and retarded and then cried like a baby when you've got a bit of stick back.
I've met crackheads with more character than you to be honest kid.
have a word with yourself for fcuks sake.

to everyone else:
please stop quoting this philistine, because I'm putting him on my ignore list and I'd rather not read his tedious snivellings in other people's posts.

assuming I don't get banned of course.

[RDR]

I dont think you'll get banned jon.

This discussion is a little silly. Sampling is just one tool in the armory of any producer, as long as the samples are used in an interesting way i really dont see the problem.

Licensing is an issue for publishers and record labels, not for people having fun with music.

[djfilthmonger]

you are saying that myself and Ignition Technician are trying to pass other people's work off as our own, which is completely untrue.
we sampled a few old rave records and updated them because they were either too slow, or were not well enough produced to play in sets alongside modern Techno trax (production has moved on a long way since the early 90s, even if creativity hasn't).


I compelety agree with this...
same way i buy some schranz remixs of techno tracks to be able to fit them into a mix