Q: Are there too many new labels starting up?

[Scott Kemix]

yea man, mark tyler. Thought his No Entry was a wicked label, heard rumours that he is not up for it?????

[Si the Sigh]

I'd heard that as well. Someone said he had gone back to his old job...

[Scott Kemix]

gutted, my friend a.p, went down to london last week and heard this news..............o well more room for more labels then>?

[Si the Sigh]

:lol:

[Scott Kemix]

;)

[mr burns]

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If DJ / producer 'X' has this bottomless budget, tunes lined up & loads of productions, why not put out more than 2 a month on their established 'X' Records label? Why start another?

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because it will affect sales of the established label

[AcidTrash]

Can't think of any example of that happening.

[dirty_bass]

Well, I don`t think the dwindling market can support the influx of new labels.
There is no quality control anymore, anyone with a bit of cash can make 300-500 records, and distributers will distribute it, because they don`t lose out whether it sells or not, it`s just extra readies to them.
Especially now that the market has crashed, there are more labels where it`s someone who is happy to just release 300 badly pressed whatever of their own stuff.
I`m not knocking anyone starting a new label, but really, send out some demo`s to other labels, if nobody bites, then it`s possible that your shit isn`t good enough. Think about that. Not everyone can make good music.
I understand that some people might just be sooo out there and ahead of their game, that they are making next level shit, that is just not understood, and so, it needs it`s own label. but for the most part, it`s just more bangin 909 based techno.
Loads of kids these days, send out one demo, get no interest, and think "bah, they just don`t understand, I`ll start my own label"

So it`s a tough argument really.

It`s especially annoying to see established names bringing out new sub labels, and just releasing the same shit.
I mean, there is nothing wrong with having a few labels, but at least have them noticably different.
Some sub labels are releasing music of a sub sub sub sub compartamentalised genre of a sub genre.
Like "well our first label is techno, but our sub label is funky techno, and our new sub sub label is funky, jacking, punky techno"
I mean c`mon, what is the ultimate extrapolation of this scenario.

A label for kick drums
one for high hats
one for bass lines.
........

[speed-it-up]

I think there should definately be more labels.
I know a guy who is supremely talented but got knocked back by Steve Smitten because his style was "too old style acid".
He started his own label, got the devilfish modification - most releases sold right out.

Plus for dj's breaking through, its good if there's always new labels coming out. If you know your stuff you can be playing tracks nobody else has. EVERYONE buys Routemaster, Cluster etc. Some djs get promos well in advance. How are you going to stand out with your own style if there's only a handful of labels churning out releases?

[Scott Kemix]

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[dirty_bass]

EVERYONE buys Routemaster, Cluster etc. Some djs get promos well in advance. How are you going to stand out with your own style if there's only a handful of labels churning out releases?

Ah, well if where talking about in an acid techno context, then it`s different, because there aren`t that many acid tech labels out there, so a few more wouldn`t hurt. In a techno context, there are loads of labels, so really I don`t think we need more labels, just better distribution of all the good ones out there.

I`ve thought long and hard about this subject. My own production interests are becoming pslit now. I have the techno that I make, the 4x4, dancefloor stuff, both the hard and dark through to the more commercial
clubby trax, going out on my label. but I also spend a lot of time making more experimental and cutting edge electronica. I can`t really put this on my techno label, so the first thing I thought was, ok, I`ll start another label.
then I did what very few people do. I looked into it. Found out about the amount of labels, how sales are etc. And I`ve come to the conclusion that, there are enough labels out there, and I don`t need to start another label. If my experimental stuff is good enough, then it should go on some of the better labels out there. So I`m currently sending out demo`s and am now garnering releases.
So there is an alternative way of getting your shit out there.

[xfive]

A label for kick drums
one for high hats
one for bass lines.
........

Shit man I'm gonna need like 3 more turntables and a 6 channel mixer :lol:

[dirty_bass]

nah mate, just get a laptop and ableton
haha

[jonnyspeed]

I say no. simply because a label is just a theme by different artist(s).

RAW vs. Top Shelf
SUF vs. Cluster
Kiddaz vs. Killaz
Hydraulix vs. Apex
Mosquito vs. Rise Robots Rise
Shark vs. PGV
MaxMin vs. WahWah
Skankelic vs. ...

then theres a whole load of individual specialist labels that do lots of artists:

Tresor, Warp, DJax, Drop Bass Network, Expressillion 4x4, er... Fresh Grind, Holzplatten (er... shit, acid techno?) - well you get my drift.

The all provide you with some guidance - even better when they drop an artist in you've never heard before - the start of a journey, skating into new tunes and appriciation of wider themes within techno.

anyway - it also allows artists to work out what sells and what doesn't. Labels are brands - something punters love.

[MangaFish]

Is there really any need for so many new labels and / or sub-labels?

What do you think?

:?:

I did vote no but as I said in the other thread it doesn`t bother me too much because if I like a tune i`ll buy regardless of what label its on... but I can see how it would be annoying to people who collect whole labels !

i dont think its about collecting labels. i have a core few labels i always check out when i'm record shopping as i know they are consistantly good. this doesnt meen i buy every release, just that it stands a great chance of being the sound that i play. i dont have the time (or the patience) to trall though hundreds of records as i dont just buy acid techno so i'm always missing out on classic tunes as they are on labels i havent even heard of

[The Germ]

i dont know i think there needs to be better releases on these labels coming out they are good and diverse but they sound like they been whipped up in a day. I understand money needs to be made to pay the bills. When Chris Liberator was here we talked about, all these new labels starting and he said striaght up we need to pay the bills.


I CANT AFFORD THIS SHIT! :clap:

[Si the Sigh]

I know a guy who is supremely talented but got knocked back by Steve Smitten because his style was "too old style acid".
He started his own label, got the devilfish modification - most releases sold right out.

Out of interest, who would that be? :?:

[Rog]

i couldn't care - it just means you have to hunt a little harder for what you want , better than limited choice eh!!!

[Si the Sigh]

[quote=mr burns]

because it will affect sales of the established label

I don't see how TBH...

[speed-it-up]

I know a guy who is supremely talented but got knocked back by Steve Smitten because his style was "too old style acid".
He started his own label, got the devilfish modification - most releases sold right out.

Out of interest, who would that be? :?:

He goes under the name of A1X - Sidewalk Theory Records. Went under with Infectious :cry: