What is Schranz?

[jon connor]

have to dis aggree there scot i no my techno and i can tell ya dude boris s production quality kicks the ass outa these kids, (take composure 12 for a kick off m8t) thats wot i call quality. + im not sure about the other way round dood either! im beeing completly honest, ive heard a lot a blaten ripping going on and it sounds crap! i do play some of the skull tracks as the production quality is far superior to sum of these wank tracks out there at the moment. im not going to mention any the labels coz i dont wanna public slangin match on ere! + is unproffesional to say so,but this problem is very much alive in the schranz scene as a whole!

yes of course m8t there is always going to be ripping off but these tracks ive heard are way to obvious man. ;)

however there are some quality schranz producers to, + i respect very much, but i could probably count them on 1 hand as apposed to the trash thats flying about. ;) they will learn in the end when no 1 is buying there stuff and its sitting on the shelf in shops adding to the missery of distributers + shop owners nightmares. ;)

[eyes without a face]

schranz shmanz..... but sayin that i have one Boris S record that does kick ass, "weapons of evil" or something, but there was that big debate a while back about skull tunes rippin others work and i think its fair to say that in the Schranz game this goes on alot between all parties but is sometimes just overlooked.... i have a different view on production and come from the group of artists who like to actually write their tracks and i just find all that schranz stuff at the moment a bit to unpersonal and the easy option production wise

but there is a market for it obviously, i used to love hard techno but just think its at an extremely low point at the moment!

[stjohn]

i might be wrong but in an Irish interview in ANORAK magazine ,when Chris Liebing played here..... he said that some of the new techno is "too" hard.

i love it all but i might assume he was directing that at the wittekind, amok, switchblade/ laker, chris noise flavours.

so in saying this, is all that tuff 150something bpm schranz???...personally i dont care whats what. but its still a weird statement by CL himself.

(sunil maybe u can confirm whether he said this???)

[Ritzi Lee]

well stjohn:

Liebing doesn't really play that fast.
i mean like 160....

and there's this missunderstanding if you talk about playing hard.
'hard' and 'fast' are still 2 different things.

[koma]

nothing can be too hard..

one might not like some style or producers or whatever, but you just cant deny anymore that there is a need for taking hard techno to the next level of brutality.. there is audience for that, there are djs that spin that and producers making it, some produce good things, some produce garbage, as in every genre..

saying only hard techno is good techno is limited, but also, why limit techno on, dunno, 145/150 bpms? where is the funk there, someone asks? why do you want funk in every track, maybe I want it to sound industrial..

I really believe there is room for everything. keep pushing the boundaries.

and yeah, I dont think schranz = hard techno, its just like subgenre, coz there is lots of hard techno nowhere near schranz..

[Mindful]

'hard' and 'fast' are still 2 different things.

indeed

[Ritzi Lee]

saying only hard techno is good techno is limited, but also, why limit techno on, dunno, 145/150 bpms? where is the funk there, someone asks? why do you want funk in every track, maybe I want it to sound industrial..
..

Techno produced on 120 BPM can still be hard,
doesn't always have to increase in speed.

[stjohn]

tru enough!!! i was just wonderin if u could call this core-tek schranz?? ive never fullly understood what it is and what it isnt. i always thought schranz = Chris Liebing. but Chris Liebing = normal hard techno.....carry the 1 etc.

i remember CL used to produce tunes without big basslines in the early CLR releases.... stuff like "ping pong pineapple" and "stigmata" i think . for a while i thought this was schranz, but now he whacks in the dark basslines. schranz is whatever goes i s'pose. or is it?

[stjohn]

sorry for the incoherence... when i said "tuff 150" i meant like Amok etc.....


stuff id usually call core-tek, only to myself tho, with my eardrums bleedin, and my eyes rollin

(in the good way!!!! :lol: )

[koma]

i remember CL used to produce tunes without big basslines in the early CLR releases.... stuff like "ping pong pineapple" and "stigmata" i think . for a while i thought this was schranz, but now he whacks in the dark basslines. schranz is whatever goes i s'pose. or is it?

i believe those might be considered as early schranz.. hmmm

ping pong pineapple rmx by stanny franssen i.e. can be found on mega schranz compilation together with: monika kruse - latin lovers :roll: emmanuel top - mars (monika kruse rmx) :roll: bando - sesion :roll: thomas schumacher- supreme funk :roll: oliver lieb - traveller 1 :roll:

with tracklisting like that, no wonder most people areconfused witn names and genres..

[koma]

Techno produced on 120 BPM can still be hard,
doesn't always have to increase in speed.

true

+ or - bmps isnt the criteria for or hardiness or quality, the idea is important..

[davethedrummer]

Techno produced on 120 BPM can still be hard,
doesn't always have to increase in speed.

true

+ or - bmps isnt the criteria for or hardiness or quality, the idea is important..

the idea is the most important thing in any music.
i can't help feeling that the shranz sound is running short of ideas right now
it's a very limited style.

[FUSION]

i can't help feeling that the shranz sound is running short of ideas right now
it's a very limited style.

I really have to disagree with that boss, i think that all techno has a kind of a base sound which defines what style you put it into and the schranz sound is seriously going places and has infinate posiblilitys, from my point of view its the one style thats really floating my boat at the moment,,,,,,, but then again due to my short attension span ive not read all of the posts but I would define schranz as amok, natus, boris s etc and im not sure wether im wrong and other people define it as liebling etc (I hate genres).... if it is the liebling sound your refering to then ignore this, but from the point of view of labels like skull, combat skill, etc thats the shit at the minute (IMO)

[Frank Dogshit]

all hard techno past 2003 is classed as schranz maybe... ;)

all that dark shit thats coming out of spain at the moment is the 'real' hard techno imo. gritty,soulful with real depth to it.

im absolutely appalled by some of that stuff on skull etc....that aint techno to me,its proper wishy washy made in 10 minutes stuff and i must admit in the past im guilty of buying it. anyone heard that overdoxx-piss off on skull??awfully bad!

[koma]

anyone heard that overdoxx-piss off on skull??awfully bad!

I think there is a track pretty much the same, its just that the voice is saying "f**k you".. heard it for the first time when we had Ranieri in the club and I liked it..

thats why I was suprised when I heard this piss off on schranz total few months later..

[Frank Dogshit]

anyone heard that overdoxx-piss off on skull??awfully bad!

I think there is a track pretty much the same, its just that the voice is saying "f**k you".. heard it for the first time when we had Ranieri in the club and I liked it..

thats why I was suprised when I heard this piss off on schranz total few months later..

exactly the same track but with 'piss off' instead of '**** you'.
how the hell can you get away with that?

[jon connor]

schranz shmanz..... but sayin that i have one Boris S record that does kick ass, "weapons of evil" or something, but there was that big debate a while back about skull tunes rippin others work and i think its fair to say that in the Schranz game this goes on alot between all parties but is sometimes just overlooked.... i have a different view on production and come from the group of artists who like to actually write their tracks and i just find all that schranz stuff at the moment a bit to unpersonal and the easy option production wise

but there is a market for it obviously, i used to love hard techno but just think its at an extremely low point at the moment!

agreed scot its wot im trying to say, but i think skull have been a bit more original than some of the others take no 1 for instence blinding track. anyway at least we can agree there is a problem here . but anyways back to this thread + schranz good stuff but still in nappy stages in most cases ,but hey these kids will learn and who knows wot they will become in a few years, hopfully there sound will become better. ;)

[jon connor]

i can't help feeling that the shranz sound is running short of ideas right now
it's a very limited style.

I really have to disagree with that boss, i think that all techno has a kind of a base sound which defines what style you put it into and the schranz sound is seriously going places and has infinate posiblilitys, from my point of view its the one style thats really floating my boat at the moment,,,,,,, but then again due to my short attension span ive not read all of the posts but I would define schranz as amok, natus, boris s etc and im not sure wether im wrong and other people define it as liebling etc (I hate genres).... if it is the liebling sound your refering to then ignore this, but from the point of view of labels like skull, combat skill, etc thats the shit at the minute (IMO)

yea fusion im even cofussed now after reading about leibing etc maddness! anyway the labels you mention are all good, but like henry is saying in his post there are limited ideas and every 1 like i said in another post seems to be steeling off each other. but hey i am a kean supporter of this music as you well no, i just feel its still in development and needs to grow, you have to fish through the crap to get the good stuff! ;) but still the good stuff keeps ya grinding ya teeth all day long> love it man. ;)

[AcidTrash]

Pardon my ignorance, but I keep reading people refering to it on this board, but have no idea what it is.

What labels/djs are knocking it out?

Seems to me that the pidgeon holing of genres is getting out of control...

It's minimal hard house through a distortion pedal.

[jon connor]

anyone heard that overdoxx-piss off on skull??awfully bad!

I think there is a track pretty much the same, its just that the voice is saying "f**k you".. heard it for the first time when we had Ranieri in the club and I liked it..

thats why I was suprised when I heard this piss off on schranz total few months later..

exactly the same track but with 'piss off' instead of '**** you'.
how the hell can you get away with that?

wasent gunna say nowt about that frank but yea! you hit the nail on the head there, that really pissed me off + coming from skull to ,they are hit + miss like most stuff but that surly was a blatent 1 straight in ya face that just gives out a message of im only putting this track out with a diffrent sample because i cant be assed to create somthing new, he deserves a good old techno spanking for that. ;) guy mcaffer does it to in this country same loop diffrent sequence wen is that guy gunna change that set of percussion on r.a.w nothing against the lad but its becoming a bit weathered + boring now. anyway back to this thread that fuk you tune was great, but that piss off was just completly out of order , im totaly with ya on that 1 dood. ;)