Programming vs. Playing and what is Felt

[Evil G]

How come you got such an axe to grind on this anyway Tocsin?

Because I just grew real tired of dealing with the same pompous shit from people in techno that I was used to getting from progressive rockers. There's no room for it at all in techno which is why I won't humor it in the slightest.

maybe you need to hang out with a different croud? i know plenty of chin stroking music snobs (i'm probably one myself) but they all put the music first, and the production second. i suppose if i ran into some people as you describe, i wouldn't like them either.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Yeah but I'm not a young kid! 0'm not old but not young. Neither like the colour purple :lol: ! There isn't that much good stuff out there! The medians is boring. We have the music which pushes boundaries and have the most nonlimit in music. We are the best :lol: and the limited outside music is very scared of this. Techno and electro and some good house is only thing that gives me goose bumps and make me rock my body, fuoock the rest seriously. Most of these people think it sounds like a gameboy and montone but we know the point. How can anyone even suggest the games market in the first place? Nice way to make your music sound credible guys :clap: :clap: Well done!
I have surrounded myself with loads of other music. Funny, because after I talked to you I went to a Mexican restaurant with Santana music where people compare the music to Santana. There was this kunt doingtango to it in his chair! He was aperrvy kunt thinking he knew the best moves and music with soul in the world Bastardio mothakunt he was no doubt! Then the same night I have seen a band doing a cover version of my favourite band of all time Pixies! So I am surrounded and I do know. But elecctronic music is different. We need to stick by it. The kinetics which I always found the most important element about anything is in abundance. FUkkk it, I love my Dima, Ferox, Hacker!

Hip hop is shite. I don't respect anything by it. All talk and false impressions. They do have underground by I still don't like their overlayer. Just like some people can't get around tunes with no vocals

dont get me wrong techno is defo my passion but i dont limit myself to techno on its own.......

yer missin out son......thers soo much good stuff out ther besides electronic music.....(altho it is the best IMO)

i was like you when i was younger...all music is crap except rave......

then i grew up a bit and gave other shit a chance.......cos as soon as i used to hear a track if it wasent boom boom then it was in one ear out ther other...

now if you "listen" to it not "hear" it as you do do so with techno, listening for all the elements comin in and out and getting to feel the groove/melody , you will like alot of it.........no human can only like the sounds of one style.....

techno is pretty forward thinking, i agree but thers heaps of other shit just as far ahead.....tons of hiphop is just as good if not better than techno.....

Tell you - mixmaster mikes new shit is just fukin amazing........check out his album for forward thinking....tremendoes.

[Mindful]

No I get that, but screw those people.
Cos 2 years later they`ll be saying how they were always into this new type of techno, and they`ll be trying to make it themselves.

bravo :clap:

[Mindful]

as for grumpy...i agree...i listen to lots of non-techno music...modern classical, indie rock, african drumming, hip-hop, etc. why limit oneself? take what you can from other forms of music and make your techno stronger in the process!

and erm.......bravo :clap:

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Nope! Maybe new beat and classical something to open the arts, but best inspiration is the machine, life, feeel. :clap: :clap:

[Mindful]

The reason listening to all forms of music can benifit you production is if you understand how a piece of music works you can then use it in your own way so if you want to make a techno track jazzy or whatever you know how to do so and what elements are needed ect.
Other forms of music help you to see a bigger picture while life,oppression,the machine,human nature and the way of the world ect are for insperation(as you said)

Inspiration gets you started but knowlege helps you to carry that inspiration on to somthing more.

[Mindful]

But you like what you like.
And thats the way it should be.
Just because I like to hear all forms of music by no way means you should does it?

But techno is my true love

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Nope I'm a kkunt! An uninspritational kunt! And All I want to listen to Soulshaker I think I know what he is trying to without you spelling shite for me(no offence)! So lets party and let the beat hang!

[Mindful]

erm I think maybe you took me wrong

Nope I'm a kkunt!

you said it :clap:

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Yep better then all the other music lovers! I hate the other shite! Not worth a asylumseekapplication!

[OriginalTechnobastard]

erm I think maybe you took me wrong

Nope I'm a kkunt!

you said it :clap:

very ' 93

[OriginalTechnobastard]

The reason listening to all forms of music can benifit you production is if you understand how a piece of music works you can then use it in your own way so if you want to make a techno track jazzy or whatever you know how to do so and what elements are needed ect.
Other forms of music help you to see a bigger picture while life,oppression,the machine,human nature and the way of the world ect are for insperation(as you said)

Inspiration gets you started but knowlege helps you to carry that inspiration on to somthing more.

Yeah but I hate jazzy techno :lol: ! I know what you are saying. Use the other forms for your technique but I say start from 0! Dictate what you feel with the instruments you have. I find many of the other styles uninspring but not always. Most of the other music is restrained a format. but we are not

[OriginalTechnobastard]

erm I think maybe you took me wrong

Nope I'm a kkunt!

you said it :clap:

It takes one to know one ;)

Seriously very childish. I know what he was saying

[Mindful]

erm I think maybe you took me wrong

Nope I'm a kkunt!

you said it :clap:

It takes one to know one ;)

Seriously very childish. I know what he was saying

:lol: only messing geezer

wasnt realy backing up anyone elses opinions just esspressing my own.

And I aggree with some of what your saying realy I can see that techno and electronic music has enuff forms to take from allready but those forms came from somwhere originaly.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

Are you saying they are sums of parts instead of whole? I always think techno and electro although had parts from other forms of music sometimes, as a more of bass orientated and heavy sound. Which is a first of its kind. But also the music itself includes synths and keyboard only with some samplers, and drum combination. Because keyboards and synths are so heavily used its again unique. And sometimes help from computers. But its outer space sounding thing and able to rock up and down to it , its one of its kind. No other music can do this. What I been saying is we need to credit what Techno and Electro is. A unique sound that captures movement. Something that you feel. When other forms music come to it, its not the same. Maybe the combination of two can give you something better, but the other forms of music alone sound singular. Besides Techno is known for atmosphere. Atmosphere can be captured through life experience, a movie, or someone you meet :lol: You don't need to shuffle other forms of music to it. You might borrow a section but that doesn't really mean you like the whole song from that form of music. I personally don't mind some of the songs in the background, but I wouldn't say I really listen to it. It just means I appreciate the background music more then Robbiewhatshisname. I can see the point of live bands though. That does offer at the time, something different.

[gumpy green]

Yeah but I'm not a young kid! 0'm not old but not young. Neither like the colour purple :lol: ! There isn't that much good stuff out there! The medians is boring. We have the music which pushes boundaries and have the most nonlimit in music. We are the best :lol: and the limited outside music is very scared of this. Techno and electro and some good house is only thing that gives me goose bumps and make me rock my body, fuoock the rest seriously. Most of these people think it sounds like a gameboy and montone but we know the point. How can anyone even suggest the games market in the first place? Nice way to make your music sound credible guys :clap: :clap: Well done!
I have surrounded myself with loads of other music. Funny, because after I talked to you I went to a Mexican restaurant with Santana music where people compare the music to Santana. There was this kunt doingtango to it in his chair! He was aperrvy kunt thinking he knew the best moves and music with soul in the world Bastardio mothakunt he was no doubt! Then the same night I have seen a band doing a cover version of my favourite band of all time Pixies! So I am surrounded and I do know. But elecctronic music is different. We need to stick by it. The kinetics which I always found the most important element about anything is in abundance. FUkkk it, I love my Dima, Ferox, Hacker!

Hip hop is shite. I don't respect anything by it. All talk and false impressions. They do have underground by I still don't like their overlayer. Just like some people can't get around tunes with no vocals

dont get me wrong techno is defo my passion but i dont limit myself to techno on its own.......

yer missin out son......thers soo much good stuff out ther besides electronic music.....(altho it is the best IMO)

i was like you when i was younger...all music is crap except rave......

then i grew up a bit and gave other shit a chance.......cos as soon as i used to hear a track if it wasent boom boom then it was in one ear out ther other...

now if you "listen" to it not "hear" it as you do do so with techno, listening for all the elements comin in and out and getting to feel the groove/melody , you will like alot of it.........no human can only like the sounds of one style.....

techno is pretty forward thinking, i agree but thers heaps of other shit just as far ahead.....tons of hiphop is just as good if not better than techno.....

Tell you - mixmaster mikes new shit is just fukin amazing........check out his album for forward thinking....tremendoes.

fair enuf, you clame you dont like anything really outside techno etc...

i still find it hard to understand how this can be possible to anybody really moved by music......what about some drum and bass???

and that hiphop is shite comment is pure ignorance......nothing more.....for a start hiphop is not music.........rap is..... and ther so many different rap songs that are not faulse(sure some are but thers shit techno too).. krsone dont rap about all this bling bling/killin you shit......he educates folk.

[OriginalTechnobastard]

I do hate most of the other forms of music :lol: ! I just wanted to have my chicken fajita :lol: and some mexican band was playing in the restaurant. The second live I went to was because the band played a pixies song and few decent indie. And I wanted to have more beer :lol: