Ok guys lets face it.

**AcidTrash** · 31-03-2005, 07:50 AM

In my humble opinion...

Much though we may try to deny it vinyl is on its way out for the reason illustrated below...

That and pressing tunes is stupidly expensive for producers who give up virtually everything in the way of financial income to make the music we need. This is killing it in my view and this CD deck is the answer to my prayers.

The scene in my view does need a shake up as the same names keep cropping up on flyers and records and it's hard to go to a UK club and not have heard virtually every other track if you have your eye on the ball. Fresh blood is needed and the answer is here.

I've heard some reasonably innovative ideas on how to revive vinyl but technology has finally spoken and it just aint gonna happen. I for one will be purchasing one of the above CD decks because it looks and behaves like a real deck which means I can now play my own tracks and the tracks from some of the excellent unpublished producers from this site.

SO what is needed and I would very much like to see BOA being the vehicle of this is some kind of high quality audio sales system. I would happily spend £2.50 on a single high quality MP3 especially if I knew that money would go to the artist. It's a crying shame that some of the producers on BOA don't see a penny for their effort. After all, you'd pay any other specialist.

I also think given that this CD deck will cause a surge in MP3 usage that producers should definately stop putting whole, uninterupted track up for download. If people want you music enough to download it then they want it enough to pay £2.50 for it. You deserve it, why not ask for it?

Of course this is all subject to debate and just my opinion. I would like to hear your thoughts as to how we might protect what we do. There may well have been a fall in sales of music, accross the board, regardless of genre, however this does not mean there is not still an insatiable demand for it. Let's take what we deserve. Music kit doesn't just buy itself.

Of course the anti-corporate music part of me is screaming in my ear that this music is about freedom and we should just get it out there but there has to be a limit. Being skint is no freedom at all and if DJ's are willing to spend £6 on a record then they'll be delighted to get the same for half the price surely?

The technology inside the CDX1 makes CD's sound every bit as good as vinyl and if tunes are mastered properly (usually the DJ's assessment) then it will sound good whatever. Instead of trying to revive the old market, let's plan on ceasing the next one.

Your thoughts please.

**machina** · 31-03-2005, 08:08 AM

how does the technology inside make it sound every bit as good as vinyl? cd is digital vinyl is analog... there's no way to reproduce the warmth of vinyl in a digital format unless you "simulate" it - and that would be dumb.

machina

**AcidTrash** · 31-03-2005, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by machina

how does the technology inside make it sound every bit as good as vinyl? cd is digital vinyl is analog... there's no way to reproduce the warmth of vinyl in a digital format unless you "simulate" it - and that would be dumb.

machina

The one I played with sounded awesome and is actually better for scratching than a 1210 because of it's added stability. I'm pretty convinced this thing sounds as good. Besides, party crowds don't care if it's vinyl or not. Psytrance DJ's are almost exclusively CD's these days and I've heard some pretty convincing CD sets.

**Evil G** · 31-03-2005, 08:30 AM

i hate the sound of mp3, and can barely stand the sound of cds, but you are right about the economics. i'm planning to give in to the digital age as soon as 24 bit dvd-audio decks come out.

**AcidTrash** · 31-03-2005, 08:34 AM

besides, availability and playablity of new music by new people WILL win over.

**gunjack** · 31-03-2005, 10:19 AM

bah, the death of vinyl means the death of producer's income, therefore, you will see ALOT of producers STOP MAKING TECHNO because there is nothing to eat.

**AcidTrash** · 31-03-2005, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by deafmosaic

bah, the death of vinyl means the death of producer's income, therefore, you will see ALOT of producers STOP MAKING TECHNO because there is nothing to eat.

Unless we get clever. Tesco 19p noodles suck.

**killarava2day** · 31-03-2005, 11:27 AM

Is this sort of talk discussed in the house scene?

I've rarely seen it mentioned, and vinyl releases have exploded in house over the past couple of years.

Are house DJs taking to digital, FS and the like...can't say I've seen many use it.

If there was going to be a major shift like this, wouldn't it occur in the mainstream scene first? Which seems to be really set though in their own ways, and vinyl is a major part of that.

**gumpy green** · 31-03-2005, 12:12 PM

never.........im a vinyl purist.......i luv the autheticity of it. and the fact that owning the vinyl supports the artist and as it cant be copied you have to get the orig which is harder than using slsk....gives you that collectors feeling...

like stamp collectors wouldnt want digital pics of stamps theyd rather spend 5pounds on getting the real one.

and i agree if we stop getting wax itll only affect our scene...in a bad way i think

**pablo_sonic_terrorist** · 31-03-2005, 12:31 PM

MP3 is NOT the answer! It is killing music and people are paying for MP3's that cost the same price per track as a CD album.

It is a music industry led load of bollocks and i hope it dies in a horrible expensive (to the mass music industry) way.

If you are a producer and you spend an hour getting your ride sounding just right, with a tiny reverb on it, spend hours mixing down your track, then mastering it, and you have just the balance you want amongst the sounds. Then some cu*t rips it off as an mp3, you listen to it and there is just something missing from your highly polished ride you spent hours on in total. Well I'd be well pissed off!

It is true the PsyTrance scene is almost all cd deck led, though is this not led by a huge compilation cd market?

Techno is different, it has always been vinyl led and we must continue to support this format, its part of our culture.

**loopdon** · 31-03-2005, 01:19 PM

move fearwards!

i wouln't mind using one of those, tbh i'd luv to.

i think the need for pressing stuff on vinyl in order to be real (still a helluva lot of crap out there on vinyl concerning it's not as easy as putting up a cd), how many trax i would have liked, but having to buy 2-3 weak ones as well on that ep just really got to me many a time.

not everybody is in a promo-pool..... i think this is something to consider as well...

let's see what the future may bring, i am absolutely sure that these things are going to be massive.

**pablo_sonic_terrorist** · 31-03-2005, 01:25 PM

I think it is a step in the right direction to have a cd deck to play your own tracks off, but for christ sakes support the labels cos the economics of techno are ****ed up enough!

**schlongfingers** · 31-03-2005, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by pablo_sonic_terrorist

MP3 is NOT the answer! It is killing music and people are paying for MP3's that cost the same price per track as a CD album.

It is a music industry led load of bollocks and i hope it dies in a horrible expensive (to the mass music industry) way.

MP3 is not killing music, it's enabling worldwide distribution of music within seconds - it's opening up different music to a world market whereas in the past labels have had to rely on complex international distribution agreements.

It's most certainly NOT a 'music industry led' idea, EMI etc did not INVENT digital encoding, they hated it initially and spent millions fighting against Napster etc. In time however they inevetably (and sensibly) began to ignore their pitchfork squads and pockmark inspectors in favour of informed analysis of the benefits of digital distribution - which is why all major labels are now using digital distribution as a major part of their business.

If you are a producer and you spend an hour getting your ride sounding just right, with a tiny reverb on it, spend hours mixing down your track, then mastering it, and you have just the balance you want amongst the sounds. Then some cu*t rips it off as an mp3, you listen to it and there is just something missing from your highly polished ride you spent hours on in total. Well I'd be well pissed off!

This is down to the bitrate, if it's ripped at high quality it's fine, if it's low quality it's shit.

Techno is different, it has always been vinyl led and we must continue to support this format, its part of our culture.

For me the idea behind techno is the man-machine combination in pursuit of new sounds - vinyl is purely and simply a playback mechanism.

**schlongfingers** · 31-03-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by pablo_sonic_terrorist

I think it is a step in the right direction to have a cd deck to play your own tracks off, but for christ sakes support the labels cos the economics of techno are **** up enough!

The labels need to think for themselves, analyse their distribution, cut out middlemen and concentrate on A&R and promotion.

My 25p

**jesus** · 31-03-2005, 01:45 PM

bah looks shite- if it played cd and vinyl then i would think about it. all they had to do was stick a tonearm on there somewhere :roll:

**Mucky Beats** · 31-03-2005, 02:56 PM

vinyl sales are slipping away... that is a horrible FACT . But i think we still have years left of dj playing vinyl. I mean look at the response you get when you talk of the death of the vinyl...people still love the sound and style of use of it! As do I and all the dj's i know...But we at the fat collective are investing in a cd deck because it's a wick way of testing your tunes on a crowd! thats why the two can work together for now.

**TechMouse** · 31-03-2005, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mucky Beats

vinyl sales are slipping away... that is a horrible FACT . But i think we still have years left of dj playing vinyl. I mean look at the response you get when you talk of the death of the vinyl...people still love the sound and style of use of it! As do I and all the dj's i know...But we at the fat collective are investing in a cd deck because it's a wick way of testing your tunes on a crowd! thats why the two can work together for now.

Agreed - there are enough people to get passionate about it, so it's not on the chopping board just yet. However, I don't understand why people get quite so defensive. Getting hot under the collar and stressing about "the death of vinyl" isn't going to win anyone over - if anything it just saps any confidence people may have left in the medium. If records are so much better than the alternatives then there's nothing to worry about, is there?

**dirty_bass** · 31-03-2005, 04:33 PM

Facing the inevitable. embracing it, and then getting on top of it before you get left in the wake is what it is all about.

There is no debate about the death of vinyl.
It is simply happening now.
The technology was never there for DJ`s to replace it
Now it is, these new CD players offer the manual control that DJ`s moan about.
Audio wise it is superior to vinyl as CD has none of the nasty frequency cuts that vinyl has, and of course you get no phasing problems.
Plus most of the music is recorded digitally anyway, either onto dat or CD, so the argument that vinyl is analogue and sounds better is a little bit of a no goer these days.
Who records techno to 1 inch tape and then masters to vinyl to keep all the stages analogue?
no one.

The only thing we need is a good system of distribution.
And some way of getting the money to the artisits.

mp3 is wack sound quality.

I think Wavs tracks, sold on CD singles, so you still get a product.

**AcidTrash** · 31-03-2005, 04:42 PM

" and of course you get no phasing problems"

How do you mean?

**miss bass** · 31-03-2005, 04:50 PM

I vote that everyone in techno stops saying BAH

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