educate me please, because i really cant find anything wrong

[MangaFish]

somebody educate me please, because i really cant find anything wrong with techno.

people keep saying "its not as good as it used to be". when was it better? the old techno tracks i've heard and live sets i've downlaoded from 'back in the day' doesnt sound any better than todays stuff. infact most of it sounds cheesier and badly mixed

i'll admit i've only been into 'real' (for want a better word) techno for 2 years so i'm still a newbe relatively speeking. but i'm enjoying what i'm hearing so why is everybody moaning?

[gumpy green]

not sure...around here techno is prob doing as well if not better than it ever was...

it has got alot more commercial in some areas of the scene but then again i tend to stay clear of this scene....

was at a crazy free party just on sat ther which was QUALITY. Must be as good as it was back in the day for sure.

but i wasent going to partys till '01 or so....but it has got better from what ive saw.

[dirty_bass]

I think it`s the same as it used to be.
Not better or worse.

[eyes without a face]

yeah i have to agree sometimes, id say on the whole things arent quite as good as say a couple of years ago, but there are some superb producers out there, established, newbies etc and some really good records coming out, some fantastic new Dj's popping up too

[Mirsha]

Some folk think it's better, some folk think it's worse. Most people probably spend too much time worrying about it to be honest or get too worked up over stuff.

[audioinjection]

i find that some of the older people dont like techno as much anymore because they relate the music w/ how the parties used to be, and how much bigger parties used to be i guess

[dirty_bass]

I don`t think the music was better then. There was certianly more large parties.
The problem I have is that the music hasn`t really moved, except in the real nieche sub genres, for a few years now.

[MARKEG]

techno rocks.

"aint as good as it used to be"??

arrghhhhhhhh come on. you're just not looking in the right places.

[dirty_bass]

yeah, there is still good stuff, but you really do have to dig, or sometimes wait an age for it. This summer will certianly sort the wheat from the chaff

[BRADLEE]

agreed, there is good and there is bad, but I really think it just keeps getting better and better with the influences of new people making the tunes. Plus, with Techno it's all open ended. The way things progress is just in how much of a forward thinker the producer is...Some lack, others excell.....

[TechMouse]

people keep saying "its not as good as it used to be".

If I was a cynic, I might think that what people are saying is "My interest in Techno isn't as good as it used to be". Perhaps for some people it's come to the end of it's run and outlived it's interest. There's no such thing as boredom, only boring people etc. etc. - if you're bored then move on and find something that interests you... I find something new and interesting in Techno practically every day.

But I'm not a cynic, so I won't say anything. :)

[OriginalTechnobastard]

I've think its al ot better. Some of that old stuff sound so cheesy and housey. You have to blame the French lot for the improvement though :clap:

[Mirsha]

i find that some of the older people dont like techno as much anymore because they relate the music w/ how the parties used to be, and how much bigger parties used to be i guess

The thing I feel though is, why is there this great perception that a larger party must somehow be better? For a start looking at it in a cluby way, a huge clubnight means one which is busy, you know where people keep knocking your drink, stabbing you with cigarettes, it's imposible to move anywhere and some prick in a burberry keeps elbowing you in the ribs if you try to make it onto the dancefloor. Busy over populated nights are pretty much always ruined by the sheer volume of people attending them.

I haven't been to any seriously huge parties yet but I don't see the massive appeal of it. Yeah so there is a thousand people, I don't know most of them and they are all strangers whereas at a smaller party of a few hundred you can form a connection to just about anyone else there via friends. The whole sort of "this is me and my mates" vibe is much better than the "it's a huge amount of people all cramming in" feeling, it's probably the same sort of reason that I can't be bothered with ever going to the large festivals like Glasto or T in the Park.

Maybe it's just the Edinburgh thing leaking through, as it's such a small city and it's quite scary how everyone knows each other.

[Honeey]

It's puzzling to me to hear so much negativity around the subject.

I feel techno has only gotten better over the years and I see no slowing down, there are too many people still obsessed with it and loads of people interested in making, and still making good techno.

I've been at the techno for 16 years and I have to say that I love techno even more now from my experiences with it, never been bored of it and I can't understand how anyone could get bored of it.

It's not an easy route to choose playing techno but the musical rewards are worth it in the end to me.

[Internal Error Records]

somebody educate me please, because i really cant find anything wrong with techno.

people keep saying "its not as good as it used to be". when was it better? the old techno tracks i've heard and live sets i've downlaoded from 'back in the day' doesnt sound any better than todays stuff. infact most of it sounds cheesier and badly mixed

i'll admit i've only been into 'real' (for want a better word) techno for 2 years so i'm still a newbe relatively speeking. but i'm enjoying what i'm hearing so why is everybody moaning?

in any genre, in any art form at all... . there are going to be people who have stuck with it too long for their own good. much like people staying in relationships too long. these people tend to get negative and harsh. also internet forums in general tend to promote negativity. (although there is still many good people on the forums).

it also has alot to do with the way a forum is admin'd. because a lack of guidance is still a form of neglected guidance.

a forum doesnt have to be in blatant comucative free-fall. some direction can be placed into the threads.

[AcidTrash]

Techno isn't as good as it used to be. It was ****in ace last week and now it's all a bit different.

[Internal Error Records]

Techno isn't as good as it used to be. It was ****in ace last week and now it's all a bit different.

Pete!! Dont instigate!!!

And go get some sleep!

[schlongfingers]

I think it's a fair argument, if you look back at 92-96 and the techno releases in those years, 60-80% of releases were standout tracks that still kill the dancefloor now. These days it's 5-10% if not less that will even go so far as to make me move my left ass cheek. I don't think I'm jaded, I just feel that those years were where the real experimentation was foraged, and that these days innovation is extremely rare - in most cases it's been done before.

These days too many people have taken existing productions as a benchmark, when in reality, what really moves both a dancefloor and a investigative mind is the sound that is new, which gets rarer and rarer.

[Internal Error Records]

I think it's a fair argument, if you look back at 92-96 and the techno releases in those years, 60-80% of releases were standout tracks that still kill the dancefloor now. These days it's 5-10% if not less that will even go so far as to make me move my left ass cheek. I don't think I'm jaded, I just feel that those years were where the real experimentation was foraged, and that these days innovation is extremely rare - in most cases it's been done before.

These days too many people have taken existing productions as a benchmark, when in reality, what really moves both a dancefloor and a investigative mind is the sound that is new, which gets rarer and rarer.

what nobody from after 1996 relises is that techno/electronica from 1986-1994 was made by real musicians with real producers in real studios with real production budgets.

85% of techno now adays may be fluff, but there is 85% more producers today with 85% less musical education as the folks from the late 80's.

the great thing about now adays is that all this software and whatnot is helping find all the great techno beathovens who wouldnt otherwise have access to produce music.

so i guess it all balances out. imo there is just as much good and bad music as any other time.

[crime]

the great thing about now adays is that all this software and whatnot is helping find all the great techno beathovens who wouldnt otherwise have access to produce music.

who then get lost in the plethora of shite..

word to these last 2 posts, bang on, I suggest to anyone who came into this whole thing later on to spend a few weeks only listening to pre 1996 stuff, maybe then they would understand.. In the past each producer had their own sound.. I think what happened is each of those producers had 50 people copy them which is why we're in the situation we're in now.. I went record shopping yesterday, and didn't buy anything from after 1997, not because it was from 1997 and before, but because they were the only good records I seemed to be able to find in the shop....

There are a few good bits coming thru here and there but in your average dj's lust to get more gigs, more exposure, half baked stuff is getting releases which shouldn't even make it out of the studio (haha, there's a funny concept, studio..er, off the computer desk I should say) let alone onto vinyl.. where did that thought come from: make as many records as possible = more exposure = more gigs = i am now a big name ? doesn't work like that, quality over quantity is what counts

This is not a dig at anyone who came into this scene slightly later or people who make music with computers btw, just my observation from my viewpoint at what has happened.. there are some people who make very good music on computers, just as I say, it's lost in the fudge these days due to the amount of crap around..