bootlegs...give 'em the boot?

**iron maiden** · 24-07-2003, 03:16 PM

this issue of bootlegs.
what do you folks think?
are they inspiring and contributing to the scene,
or are they raping and saturating it with creative copouts?

personally, i think the latter.
if i wanna hear a michael jackson tune, i want to see the dj taking a risk and mixing in the original.

to me, the majority of bootlegs are far from creative.
lazy procuction played by a lazy dj.

any comments?

i-ron

**crime** · 24-07-2003, 03:19 PM

Are you Michael jackson? Is this why you hate bootlegs so much?

I think bootlegs are cool so long as the source material isn't michael jackson, or any other such rubbish, if it's a cool tune put in a new context then that's wicked...Pop will eat itself....

**Jimfish** · 24-07-2003, 04:53 PM

it can be bloody difficult to get a track to fit in the mix anyway - in most cases it probably takes longer than doing a track from scratch - i wouldnt call it a cop out at all.. well it depend on individual cases - but you will find in a lot of cases it isnt as easy as you might think (to do it well, anyway)

**DJZeMig_L** · 24-07-2003, 07:04 PM

I'm down 4 that m. Jackson or what ever (sorry I luv b.jean bassline :P )... donne smart and making it a new track in a different way is all good 2 me... what I don't get is this bla bla vs yada yada trend !?!
most of the stuff sound really out of key with each other... besides it all seems like a dj beatmatch 2 tracks and just recorded the output!! :?:

Z

**Patrick DSP** · 24-07-2003, 08:01 PM

if it wasn't for razormaid bootleg remixes of depeche mode that i heard back in 89, i don't know what i'd be doing now.

for me bootlegs are great! not only does the original artist get confirmation that someone thought their original track was so good that someone else spent time and money to make a super limited press run.

i can't see how a bootleg and making a part of music history and becomming a collectors addition can be a bad thing for the scene.

-p.dsp

**Col** · 24-07-2003, 08:29 PM

nah i personally dont like em, ripping off other peoples music isnt of any intrest to me.

**ampassasinbirmingham** · 25-07-2003, 12:12 AM

in some cases they are just cheesy and horrible. but other non comercial bootlegs can be the bollocks.

**lunatrick** · 25-07-2003, 12:16 AM

how about chester beattys 'bodyshower'....i am contemplating playing it on the weekend.....i think it's three, with the D.I.S.C.O sample in it...

**The Divide** · 25-07-2003, 12:57 AM

Depends on what the artist as done to the origional sound to make it a new artform. I think its a good thing, sure its bending the rules a lil but then thats what I like about techno.

**davethedrummer** · 25-07-2003, 07:34 AM

depends really
a bootleg is just like any other tune
either it has worth and it's good for that reason
or it's just crap.

ie: the bootleg of "changes of life" which was bloody horrible.

**Esox Lucius** · 25-07-2003, 07:49 AM

I heard some fabulous booty/ghetto mixes of missy elliot - work it. :D

Usually bootlegs just sound like rubbish and usually spoil the original track totally.

**davethedrummer** · 25-07-2003, 07:51 AM

yeah i got a great bootleg of ms dynamite (breaks track)
rocked my sox

**Jimfish** · 25-07-2003, 08:16 AM

DSP: dont let adverse see that picture of his bird...

**The Divide** · 25-07-2003, 10:36 AM

mahahhahahaha, funny pic.

**Angrymann** · 25-07-2003, 02:12 PM

DSP - Do you mean Bootleg as in "Pirate copy of Original Material" , that's fine , I wouldn't have got half of my Pearl Jam stuff if it wasn't for bootlegs , but everyone else is talking about tracks like " Layo & Bushwakkers - Billy Jean" and the like , you may be too but I didn't read it as that.

I sometimes think they sound ok , but I never buy them cause I think the novelty factor wears off far too quickly. Using a sample or a section from another tune and making something else is cool but like someone else said those Cack V's Just as Cack tunes are pointless , go and listen to a dj do it.

**crime** · 25-07-2003, 02:17 PM

Si Begg's beach boys thing was pretty cool... i'm into that kinda bootleg

**Angrymann** · 25-07-2003, 03:20 PM

and Orbital - Halcyon + on+on with the Belinda Carlise sample. Not a bootleg but a feckin cool tune also played by Si Begg I believe.

**iron maiden** · 25-07-2003, 05:07 PM

samples i don't have a problem with, like that si begg track (which is killer) and pop will eat itself. i don't consider those to be bootlegs. to me bootlegging doesn't pay homage to the original artist, as DSP has mentioned, because they don't see any of the cash. most artists get a little peeved...but is isn't about the issue of "pirating" for me. it just makes me sad to see bootlegs charted and outselling records of original material . i think fresh ideas are healthy art. like angrymann has pointed out...short playing lifeline of those tracks. the cover tune generation...as fun as the tunes may be, it is fast food music...

big mac, large fries, and billie jean! hahahaha!
(this idea is patented)

i-ron

**davethedrummer** · 25-07-2003, 06:16 PM

i used to mix sique sique sputniks "love misslie f111" at 33 with raw 07
that was a good laugh and they worked together really well!
i've thought about just putting the 2 together and doing a limited release
but i can't be arsed with it really and anyway it's MY mix .
you gotta keep something up your sleeve.

**anx** · 25-07-2003, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by lunatrick

how about chester beattys 'bodyshower'....i am contemplating playing it on the weekend.....i think it's three, with the D.I.S.C.O sample in it...

ewwwwww

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