how valid is "novelty" techno

**Stodgy** · 18-11-2005, 05:54 PM

Just had a listen to a tune of acidtrashes in the production forum.

http://www.blackoutaudio.co.uk/porta...ic&t=42926

Reading some of the consequent posts made me wonder, is this kind of tune just an aberration or does it have a valid place in todays music?

**dirty_bass** · 18-11-2005, 06:18 PM

Novelty techno is as valid as any other novelty thing. Like crazy frog, or the chicken song, or the mr blobby song.

**dan the acid man** · 18-11-2005, 06:37 PM

you can still have well produced novelty techno, just as you can have well produced serious techno

**Stodgy** · 18-11-2005, 07:02 PM

It does seem to appeal to a lot of people so why does it get such a slagging all the time?
Is it because people secretly like this stuff but don't think it's cool or acceptable to admit to it?

**robin m** · 18-11-2005, 07:09 PM

Novelty techno has a place as far as I'm concerned - not interested myself on the whole, but it can bring new people to more mainstream (!) techno I suppose. Like my housemate who DJs breaks and hiphop but somewhere heard and went and bought a load of random (and on the whole terrible - Buggles shranz?) techno remixes and from that has started taking more of an interest in and buying the odd bit of other (proper) techno.

Some 'novelty techno' definitely counts as a war crime though.

**eyeswithoutaface** · 18-11-2005, 08:36 PM

the answers in the title. Novelty. Different strokes for different folks. Its valid if you like listening to, on the whole, cheap, uneccesary wastes of vinyl/mp3 space that do nothing but take a track someone else has already done and slaps a kick and ride or something over the top. That to me is not novelty, its lazy, pointless, cheesy, thoughtless, cheap ad nauseum.... Novelty techno to me is say, and il probably get a raised brow or 2 at this, "Erase Techno" by McCormack. This to me is a track thats supposed to be banged out at 7am as last track on about +8 and not really anywhere else. A time when everyones head is falling to bits anyway, and thats novelty to me. I would probably only listen to this record when out and its 7am and its on about +8, hence to me its novelty when i hear it.

The likes of the schranz bootlegs, thats just an idea that has seemingly took off whilst also seemingly annoying everyone at the same time simply due to, again, the cheapness, the lazyness, the disregard for other people's past musical contributions to techno or their respective scene etc etc

interesting topic, makes a change round here at the moment must say

**dan the acid man** · 18-11-2005, 09:31 PM

yeah, it is a bit quiet lately, i've been trying to think of some topics to start, but its hard thinking of ones weve not already covered at some point or another, not doing a good job as mod am i

:lol:

**Stodgy** · 19-11-2005, 08:33 PM

Yeah, started this topic because I have made a little bit of cash from "bootlegs" or novelty tunes and as someone who has spent more on putting on party's than I will ever make as a producer I was interested in what other Techno makers think about this possible "sell out" form or techno

**lunatrick** · 19-11-2005, 09:15 PM

novelty records can be alright......partying is about having fun as well as cooly stroking ones chin isn't it?

I reckon the reason schranz bootlegs have started appearing is that you can't really listen to a flitered kick/hithat/snare loop for 10 hours can you?

**massplanck** · 20-11-2005, 05:45 PM

novelty & techno shouldnt be in the same sentence. Novelty has its place but NOT masquerading or riding on the back of something which is inherantly ANTI-NOVELTY.

did i make sense?

**dirty_bass** · 20-11-2005, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by massplanck

novelty & techno shouldnt be in the same sentence. Novelty has its place but NOT masquerading or riding on the back of something which is inherantly ANTI-NOVELTY.

did i make sense?

made sense to me.

if you want novelty, get crazy frog.

In fact, aren`t we due a crazy frog schranz bootleg.

**dan the acid man** · 20-11-2005, 07:33 PM

ring ding ding ding ding ding.........umpah umpah umpah umpah bang crash shhhhhhhhhhhhh

**massplanck** · 20-11-2005, 08:36 PM

novelty-death metal anyone?

**massplanck** · 20-11-2005, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by Stodgy

It does seem to appeal to a lot of people so why does it get such a slagging all the time?
Is it because people secretly like this stuff but don't think it's cool or acceptable to admit to it?

coz its shit beyond all comprehension .

By any means go ahead and make your novelty music and have a laugh but dont DARE call it 'techno'.

**MARKEG** · 21-11-2005, 12:01 AM

novelty techno to me? - 99% of techno today

*OMG you say*

there's loads off ppl out there at the mo producing techno that call it techno. i'm not going to say what i think that is, cause i play so much of it at places i play, but you just can't get ppl into techno without it!!!!!

REAL techno to me looks to the originators - juan atkins, derrick may, kevin sauderson - the detroit ethos. they never had a genre to live up to at the time - they jjust 'created' their sound.

either you're creating music to change music or you're creating novelty techno.

techno is about new. techno is about music you've never heard before.

anything you have heard before, isnt REAL techno. techno maybe, but not true original techno. if you're creating music to sound like 'techno' it isnt techno. full stop.

MHO ;)

**dirty_bass** · 21-11-2005, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by MARK EG

if you're creating music to sound like 'techno' it isnt techno. full stop.

MHO ;)

Sometimes I love you, you beautiful man.

**machina** · 21-11-2005, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by MARK EG

novelty techno to me? - 99% of techno today

REAL techno to me looks to the originators - juan atkins, derrick may, kevin sauderson - the detroit ethos. they never had a genre to live up to at the time - they jjust 'created' their sound.

either you're creating music to change music or you're creating novelty techno.

techno is about new. techno is about music you've never heard before.

anything you have heard before, isnt REAL techno. techno maybe, but not true original techno. if you're creating music to sound like 'techno' it isnt techno. full stop.

MHO ;)

just outta interest - and this isn't a wind up - would your music or henry's or whatever fall into the 'techno' 1% or not? do you actually want it to? not trying to say anything against anyone here - just genuinely interested...

machina

**MARKEG** · 21-11-2005, 01:07 AM

all i know mate is i love the original techno ethos and i try to apply that to our music.

if i do it good, if i dont good.

i just hope ppl like and understand what we do.

anyway the subject is novelty techno hehehehe LOL ;)

**Stodgy** · 21-11-2005, 10:22 AM

Does this all mean that whatever an individual produces CAN be called techno so long as the person producing wanted to create a fresh and original sound, irrespective of whether it is cheesetastic or as novelty as the cheeky girls?

**eyeswithoutaface** · 21-11-2005, 10:47 AM

cant say i agree really, Techno has become something totally different to what the original guys set out to achieve, to compare the scene at its respective times i.e then and now, is unfair. To call 99% of stuff thats about now "novelty" is also unfair, and a bit arrogant i must say. Does this mean that everyone bar who you view to be pushing things falls into that 99%?

no offence to anyone one here but that must mean we are all in that 99% aswell because no one on here pushes techno in a totally new direction, there are shit hot producers on here making some baddddd ass records, so to simply lump them in with all teh crap just because they are not the new mills or atkins is stupid and very very unfair

and there's a wonder why not many new posts are put up, this was meant to be about novelty techno and within a post it, imo i must add before i get moaned at, descended into a "most of techno is shite" offensive

weird

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