music is not ( supposed to be) free!!!!

[crime]

Are you not all talking about something like this?: http://www.juno.co.uk/search/?q=digi...te=&edate=

if you want to do digital releases why don't you just sell it to juno, or better still all the other online stores that do digital releases... sure you could probably work out selling wavs too....

[fresh_an_funky_design]

sounds like a really good idea, although i'm still not 100% sure exaclty what it is.

is it a single website or is it some kinda server we link our own shops to and it controls stock and payment etc

[dirty_bass]

Man, juno is horrible, and again, it`s an all in one.
Looks sucky, it`s a good place, but it`s not got a buzz around it.
The point I`m trying to make is that just sticking product on there isn`t enough.
You could have so much more.

[el salvador]

Man, juno is horrible, and again, it`s an all in one.
Looks sucky, it`s a good place, but it`s not got a buzz around it.
The point I`m trying to make is that just sticking product on there isn`t enough.
You could have so much more.

word

[djshiva]

WHEN I MAKE MUSIC I WANT TO EXPRESS SOMETHING TO THE ONES AROUND ME. THE MORE OF THEM THAT HEAR IT, THE BETTER. BE IT MP3, VINYL, CASSETTE OR WHATEVER.

I DO OTHER THINGS THAN MUSIC TO MAKE A LIVING.

sorry, no caps lock.

thats all well and good when your making music in your spare time. But if you depend on music for your income and to support your family then every sale counts and if someone is stealing your music your gonna be pissed.

at the risk of sounding like an ass, if you have a family and are relying on TECHNO to support them, that's probably the most irresponsible idea i have heard in a long time.

any income i make off of techno (production or djing) is merely supplemental. i am not saying that to sound like a purist, only a realist.

[crime]

at the risk of sounding like an ass, if you have a family and are relying on TECHNO to support them, that's probably the most irresponsible idea i have heard in a long time.

That's very easily said, but this does happen... the whole world is not like the US, I live completely of the money I make from music, I don't think it's irresponsible, it all depends how much money you are making, and whether you think you can make enough to live off of.. Its the same as for anyone who is self employed/ involved in creative industries.. I mean, I have a daughter, and I know for a fact if she is living with me, and times are looking hard, you find other work, simple as.. I know various people who have families who live from this thing.. Sorry, but I think to say anyone who tries to support their family from their income as an artist is irresponsible is a really judgemental thing to say..
so yes, you do sound like an ass :cheese:
sorry, couldn't resist, but you see my point yeah??

and re: the shops. personally if a lot of record shops are going over to selling mp3s as well as vinyl, well, that's perfect as far as I'm concerned. I mean by all means, if you want to set up something like that, go for it, but you really have to think of the amount of time money and investment that goes into setting up something like that.

I think a shop like juno have got it sussed as they don't have all their eggs in one basket, i.e. not just one format, but they do the lot, plus have 5 or so years experience of running something like that. AND along with net labels have vinyl labels with their releases in digital format.. they have it pretty sussed from what I can see, and I could see a lot of the current online shops going this way, along with having 12" vinyl, Albums and Cds, have the option of buying something as MP3 or WAV also... I found one of my own 12"s there as a digital release also, I knew the label were doing that, but I didn't realise it would go out through Juno also, so there must be some kind of digital distribution going on here... think I'm going to look into rereleaseing my label backcat as digital now.... ;)

[crime]

wow, 20 pages, have we learned anything yet????

[djshiva]

i guess a lot of my viewpoint on living off of music DOES have a lot to do with being from the US. the cost of living has just gone through the roof and artists/musicians have never garnered much in the way of respect or wages in the states unless you are some sort of pop idol, which most people aren't. i have known a few people who have managed to live overseas and done fairly well, as the cost of living seems comparatively lower there (i only have hearsay to base this on, obviously).

so admittedly i am a product of my environment...i concede that. i guess living here i have seen everyone i know, even those i considered "successful" constantly struggling, so that is all i know, ya know? no health insurance, no public transportation in many cities (lots of sprawl and rising gas costs...and even tho i know the rest of the world doesn't have cheap fuel, i have been told mass transportation is more accessible in other countries), and a rising gap between wages and cost of living makes it DAMN hard to live comfortably here and just pursue your music.

so yeah...i gotcha, crime. seeing the world through american eyes again...i admit even my well-read ass can get a bit myopic when it's what i deal with everyday. :(

[TechMouse]

1.) Programmers

The programming will likely be the biggest hassle since, as of yet, I've not found any scipts that do this in the way that could make it most flexable. Rather, they are written for specific storefronts. However, if some scripts already exist to make this idea work, hardcore programmers may not even be that necesary.

I'm a hardcore programmer, and I've got a reasonable amount of experience with PHP. I'll gladly put in a few hours a week if it's of any use.

;)

I don't know much about payment systems though.

[TechMouse]

Are you not all talking about something like this?: http://www.juno.co.uk/search/?q=digi...te=&edate=

if you want to do digital releases why don't you just sell it to juno, or better still all the other online stores that do digital releases... sure you could probably work out selling wavs too....

Juno is all well and good, but you have to wade through a lot of crap to get to what you want.

Unless you know what you're looking for before you start.

[Jay Pace]

I think you want a "banging tunes" type affair.

Their forum is huge and they have a loyal following. The forum is just a spin off from the shop. Why not just go the opposite way and whack an mp3 store here on blackout?

[Si the Sigh]

^ Great idea! :)

[Buttman]

Fresh and Funky: Shiva took the words out of my mouth.

[crime]

i guess a lot of my viewpoint on living off of music DOES have a lot to do with being from the US. the cost of living has just gone through the roof and artists/musicians have never garnered much in the way of respect or wages in the states unless you are some sort of pop idol, which most people aren't. i have known a few people who have managed to live overseas and done fairly well, as the cost of living seems comparatively lower there (i only have hearsay to base this on, obviously).

I went through exactly the same thing when I was living in the UK, and the deal for me was either move to Germany or get a job... I'm really glad I did the former, it took one hell of a lot of pressure off, the UK is pretty expensive, especially London, wheras berlin is pretty much the cheapest big city in Europe.. I think some places are definitely "Artist" places i.e. high unemployment so everything is very cheap, but a lot of scope if you are doing something creative compared to a "Working" city like london, where the whole emphasis is money.. it definitely makes a big difference to your attitude to lif, and quality of life...

[Jay Pace]

I've got a friend who is moving out to Estonia for similar reasons. If you live in london you need to work...

But live in Tallin and suddenly you have a lot more options.

[holotropik]

I think you want a "banging tunes" type affair.

Their forum is huge and they have a loyal following. The forum is just a spin off from the shop. Why not just go the opposite way and whack an mp3 store here on blackout?

I also think that this could work here.

[fresh_an_funky_design]

WHEN I MAKE MUSIC I WANT TO EXPRESS SOMETHING TO THE ONES AROUND ME. THE MORE OF THEM THAT HEAR IT, THE BETTER. BE IT MP3, VINYL, CASSETTE OR WHATEVER.

I DO OTHER THINGS THAN MUSIC TO MAKE A LIVING.

sorry, no caps lock.

thats all well and good when your making music in your spare time. But if you depend on music for your income and to support your family then every sale counts and if someone is stealing your music your gonna be pissed.

at the risk of sounding like an ass, if you have a family and are relying on TECHNO to support them, that's probably the most irresponsible idea i have heard in a long time.

any income i make off of techno (production or djing) is merely supplemental. i am not saying that to sound like a purist, only a realist.

it may sound irresponsible to you, but some people do do it.

[fresh_an_funky_design]

and rising gas costs...and even tho i know the rest of the world doesn't have cheap fuel,

in the uk we pay more than double what you guys pay for fuel in the US

I think it works out as $8-9 a gallon, maybe more not sure what the exvhange rate is at the moment

[fresh_an_funky_design]

Fresh and Funky: Shiva took the words out of my mouth.

thats what makes this forum great, my opinion is completely different to yours.

if we all agreed on something it'd be a little boring

[FUSION]

WHEN I MAKE MUSIC I WANT TO EXPRESS SOMETHING TO THE ONES AROUND ME. THE MORE OF THEM THAT HEAR IT, THE BETTER. BE IT MP3, VINYL, CASSETTE OR WHATEVER.

I DO OTHER THINGS THAN MUSIC TO MAKE A LIVING.

sorry, no caps lock.

thats all well and good when your making music in your spare time. But if you depend on music for your income and to support your family then every sale counts and if someone is stealing your music your gonna be pissed.

at the risk of sounding like an ass, if you have a family and are relying on TECHNO to support them, that's probably the most irresponsible idea i have heard in a long time.

any income i make off of techno (production or djing) is merely supplemental. i am not saying that to sound like a purist, only a realist.

it may sound irresponsible to you, but some people do do it.

they should all get jobs then ****in hippies ;)