music is not ( supposed to be) free!!!!

[FUSION]

bad shit defo. free dj`s sets is great and i stand by the fact that P2P is awsome, for that. but when you get some twat uploading unrealsed shit, or realeased vinyl that people d load. that harsh. how did they get on there in the first place????

[dirty_bass]

sorry to come up so angry about this earlier
but it really did my head in
and to top it off i was with a guy who had downloaded my trax
in spain this weekend, and he didn't seem to think it was wrong.
i really couldn't get into it with him
as he was playing for the guys i was working for and it would've got heated if i had.
the guy did apologise in the end after i kind of gave him a
" you are stealing my music " kind of look.
and he turned out to be nice enough
but the point is
how many other guys are doing it?
especially in countries where vinyl is dissapearing
and what can be done about it ?

I just woulda taken something of his in front of him.
Maybe his i pod or something.
And said "hey, what`s wrong with it, I can`t afford one"

Ask them if they pay for their drugs or their beer, or their shoes?

It`s bollocks.

[dirty_bass]

Hey, I thought I was devils advocado.
No fair.

[dan the acid man]

Hey, I thought I was devils advocado.
No fair.

we'll have to work out a rotor for the pitchfork

[conflict]

that does suck mate, when ur music is your main source of bread

i'll not even try to deny that i download dj sets, but i can hand on heart say that i've never downloaded a track for free

on the contrary i find it quite a buzz paying for records, waiting for the arrival then opening up the beast and letting rip

obviously i'm one of a dying breed

:roll:

[massplanck]

Hey, I thought I was devils advocado.
No fair.

:lol:

[MARKEG]

i am 200000000000% with you henry and all you guys that agree.

it's happpening to me all the time.

but you know what i repsect here?

h, and so many of you, have stood up and said something in this post.

as of now, us artists and posters need to club together and sort this.

tell me what to do to make this site focused towards this. in fact, perhaps change the logo? 'stop illegal music downloads' underneath?


100% behind this.

:)

[MARKEG]

ps anyone with 1/2 a brain realises aritsts need to be paid for their music.

:thumbsup:

[baptismo]

out of interest why are you using soulseek if you don't download music for free?

i totally agree with you mate, i think it sucks that people can't see that if you're downloading/uploading tracks from an artist who is (like most in the underground techno scene, infact every scene that used to rely on vinyl sales) struggling to sell enough records to keep the labels and themselves afloat then you're f.ucking everything up for everyone else.

i don't know if i agree with the title of this post, i think probably music is meant to be free, but the fact is that if you're making music as your full time occupation then you totally deserve to make ends. so to pay the small price of a vinyle or (even better) a couple of freaking quid for a download is not too much to ask!

[baptismo]

shit ive just realised ive posted as jon. its log:one.

[nihilist]

so where did the downloads from? if they came from promos would cutting out promos be one answer? is there a need for promos when a label or artist is established? i cant help feeling a little grieved when i order tunes online and a promo is sent, mainly because the artist doesnt recieve money from it(or do they?) and two because it has no information of the artist on it.

i cant get my head round anybody who prefers a downloaded file to an actuall product either,maybe that's just me,it just seems wrong!!

that must of been a one hell of situation that Henry found himself in over in spain must have been hard to surpress his fellings,i don't think i could have held back.

[Miromiric]

miro
stop playimng devils avocado
it doesn't suit you.

go back to wanking at porn on the net
stick to what your good at eh?[/quote]

this was very rude.
maybe i really don`t know what i am talking about here. i thought hardhouse music sells similary to techno, so i didn`t really know what all the fuss was about. i guess i was wrong. my apologies.

[Miromiric]

did any of you ever download a dj set? do you realise it is as illegal as downloading tracks? how about warez?
did any of you ever let their mixes go online for other people to download them, without paying royalties to producers in your mix? do you realise how illegal is that?

[crime]

i totally agree with you mate, i think it sucks that people can't see that if you're downloading/uploading tracks from an artist who is (like most in the underground techno scene, infact every scene that used to rely on vinyl sales) struggling to sell enough records to keep the labels and themselves afloat then

Ok, fair enough....

you're CENSORED everything up for everyone else.

???? don't quite get what you mean...

i don't know if i agree with the title of this post, i think probably music is meant to be free,

So, you think music is meant to be free?? and by saying that, completetly contradict what you said above.. Sorry for singleing you out here Baptismo, that's not intended, but this post demonstrates a lot of what I see here, check out the other threads on this forum and people are quite happily talking about what they downloaded here and there, then the moment a known Producer after noticing some of their new releases are up there before the vinyl has cooled from the pressing plant says something about it here, a lot of those people who were previously talking about DLing in a different thread all line up to take the moral high ground, it's blatent hypocracy.... I'm not saying this because I want to dig at people, it's just an observation..

anyhow, my own view:
Let's get real here, soulseek and things like that are not going to go away so I think you have to be realistic about it.. yes, it's damn annoying to see a load of your new shit up on a filesharing thing when you're finding it hard to even get the money back to cover the cost of the cut and press, but telling people on a forum not to do it is not going to do shit, you know? I presonally see it as a reality of the market place, and in the techno thing now, I think this puts emphasis on performance i.e. doing unforgettable live acts that you had to be there to see... see, that's something that can't be stolen, ok maybe you can get recordings floating about on the net, but if every live performance is different , then this means nothing anyway... You're right, this whole filesharing thing doesn't help matters right now, but it ain't gonna go away, and people who are really into the music will always buy the record..

[RDR]

@Dave - It'd be nice to say that pinning one on the fella in spain would have made an impact (pun intended) but doubtless it wouldnt have, other than to serve the great god of "That DJ has a bad rep"

The ONLY viable solution currently available is legal action, unfortunately pinning it on something such as soulseek would cost VAST amounts of cash for little return.

So who CAN help us? the industry? they've proved to be toothless in so far as being able to stop people who REALLY want to download a track. The actions they have taken against people who download in the courts are mnimal, in fact the phrase "Downloading is killing the industry" is a misnomer, "Uploading is killing industry" is closer to the truth and majoritvily the legal actions have been aimed at indidivudals who have hundreds of tracks for upload.

The money they were fined was around 15,000 pounds, a urination in the ocean of money that have scammed from the pockets of the industry. INDUSTRY thats the key word, its one used many times and refers to the entity of music production/distro as a whole. The biggest problems is that the artists who serve the industry traditionally recieve very little in compensation for their efforts. Its the industry big wigs who are concerned about the profits seeping away so that next years porsche looks that little bit further away...

But ALL of that relates to major labels who have a POP output, not indies who dont have the cash to force court based solutions, and more to the point there are little or no accurate figures related to the downloading of tracks belonging to people like Dave the Drummer. In fact the major players in the industry have little or no interest in protecting the underground interests or smaller minor artists.

the way the industry behaves ATM reflects this, artists seem to come from no-where and go back to no-where VERY VERY quickly. The model moves rapidly because the labels need to dump someone in the publics eye quickly, take advantage of the returns and then not bother to invest long term in an artist as the return quickly drops as more people latch on an the internet becomes awash with copies of their latest album. The chart sounds fresh ATM, but is pretty unstable.

Thats how i see the industry's attitude ATM, i cant pretend to know any kind of solution, other than the obvious one, playing live and ONLY live, but even that aint perfect.

[RDR]

presonally see it as a reality of the market place

I disagree, i think its a reality of people being able to get something for free. Market place means an exchange of goods.

[tOM B]

ps anyone with 1/2 a brain realises aritsts need to be paid for their music.

:thumbsup:

i totally agree with this. at the end of the day i think many of us would like to be able to earn some out of music so we should support each other and be prepared to spend some on it as well.

[Ritzi Lee]

maybe i really don`t know what i am talking about here. i thought hardhouse music sells similary to techno, so i didn`t really know what all the fuss was about.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'VE WISHED!!

Wouldn't that be something.

[koma]

promoters and club owners should NOT call dj's that play cd's with downloaded/stolen tracks! **** them! if you have your own production, ok, use it in set, if you dont, **** off.

on the other hand, I know its strange for club owners to pay some dj few hunderds or few thousands of euro for some 2-3 hour performance, cause they know some kid living next door, that will the same music on cd's for like 20, 30 euro all evening... its going on everywhere, but we can't do shit there, it has to come from the state.. if inspection find you're playing illegal music in your club, we will shut it down. end of story.

who wants to sue kids on kazaa and soluseek downloading tracks for home listening and end up with an image like metallica? most of these kids WONT buy your records, realise that, what will they do with 3 or 4 tracks lasting like 5 or 6 minutes... since most techno is looped, its quite boring to listen the entire track from beginning till the end, in most cases it is sorry. maybe not if your dj, but for ordinary kids it is.
thats why sets are more interesting for download. thats why kids won cds, compilations. thats why techno community needs to think about mixtapes that will be cheaper than cds in shops. mixtapes like those in hip hop scene....

why kids download tracks then? dunno, maybe they want to check stuff they saw on some playlists, for collection most of which they havent even listen properly, to able to spot it on party, to be able to write down on forums what tracks they have recognised... theres dozens of reasons..

other than that, we already discussed about the QUALITY of releases! for me its bigger issue then this. imagine yourself in some kid's place: why would you, as no dj, buy a record with one track I like, the rest is ermmm bla..? would you buy it? of course not, you are a kid, you cant afford it! so, kids arent the problem, the problem are fake djs, some kind of pressure should be made to get them out of work...

also, producers are sending their tracks to various labels to get released, quality tracks on cd. some labels tend to send around mp3's of new stuff in newsletters, for their friends, reviewers etc., cause its easier then sending vinyl. but ****, you just cant trust everyone. not everyone has same views on spreading music over internet.

[Ritzi Lee]

thats why sets are more interesting for download. thats why kids won cds, compilations. thats why techno community needs to think about mixtapes that will be cheaper than cds in shops. mixtapes like those in hip hop scene....

F@CK!!
That's a good one.