side chaining kicks & bass made easy (waves c1 sc)

[loopdon]

i never really liked sidechaining an rarely used it. if -at all- mainly because people said it was a key element in techno etc. i just think: try different methods - see what works for you --> use it. i agree that from the purely technical side there are better ways.. i.e. volume automation, velocities.. from an artistical point i'd say use whatever you please in whatever way you like, m'key...

benni benassi's stuff etc. etc. lived from sidechained/bass and sidechained verb. in an overdosed way. and i kinda liked it, call me cheesey.

i don't really want to talk about it, tbh. :)

[dirty_bass]

Well, this part of the forum does nark me a little.
I tend to frequent some pro production forums, and quite often I`ll find myself corrected by serious engineers on improvements I can make to my technique.
Generally my response is, bloody hell, that sounds great, I`ll give that a try, cheers.
However in this place, it`s not producers, it`s techno producers, so there`s that DJ ego that creeps in now and again, and people get shirty cos they feel damaged.

It`s not about one upmanship, it`s about sharing professional knowledge, that`s all.

[rhythmtech]

totally. and i honestly think thats y its so quiet in here lately. people didnt like being told that what they were doing wasnt good.

on the sidechaining issue, besides bass i love using it on synths or percussions. i find it just changes the dynamics/groove a little.

[dirty_bass]

sidechaining, well, overcompression is lovely when you have a separate bus with silly compression on it, then you can send elements you woouldn`t normally apply it to there.
I love the sucking effect, but not the oompah oompah hardhouse type typical sidechain that everyone and their mother uses.
It`s nice to sidechain percussion to an off kilter (and silent) kick, for extra odd effect.

[force]

Still not used side-chaining on anything yet, Still trying to perfect me subtractive EQ techniques at the mo.................but i'll get round to it

[dirty_bass]

Still not used side-chaining on anything yet, Still trying to perfect me subtractive EQ techniques at the mo.................but i'll get round to it

that`s the stuff man, THE most important thing in production technique.
Although I think you are one of the most accomplished producers in the files section in terms of technique.

[force]

You are clearly havin a laugh :lol:

[loopdon]

regarding the getting quieter here: i dunno who's fault that is or if it is anybody's fault at all. i have really tried to do my part here. so have others and i thank them for there efforts. i have been thinking of somebody else to take over my job here. i would love to have this place buzzing (like maybe dogs-on-acid: the grid or k-v-r audio etc.) those forums are open to all and that's what gets the info in there, imo. i voted for a test phase with an 'open to all' aproach but i can't change the forum policies. i don't come here for lots of info, tbh. on d-o-a there are samplepacks on a nearly daily basis. seems to be a differnt mentality, alltogether. *sigh*

[stjohn]

You are clearly havin a laugh :lol:

i concur on that man!!! you've got the fullest sound methinks

[danielmarshall]

It`s not about one upmanship, it`s about sharing professional knowledge, that`s all.

:thumbsup:

[dirty_bass]

regarding the getting quieter here: i dunno who's fault that is or if it is anybody's fault at all. i have really tried to do my part here. so have others and i thank them for there efforts. i have been thinking of somebody else to take over my job here. i would love to have this place buzzing (like maybe dogs-on-acid: the grid or k-v-r audio etc.) those forums are open to all and that's what gets the info in there, imo. i voted for a test phase with an 'open to all' aproach but i can't change the forum policies. i don't come here for lots of info, tbh. on d-o-a there are samplepacks on a nearly daily basis. seems to be a differnt mentality, alltogether. *sigh*

dude I think you do a fantastic job, I`d like to help out more, and I will when I get broadband.

I`d like to do a question and answer thread, then we can compile the best stuff from that.

[eyeswithoutaface]

i personally cant stand sidechaining, as said, everyman and his mother uses that technique and its become pretty cliched now in terms of use and general thought amongst techno producers, but more particulary newer producers. I just dont like that feeling it gives at all unfortunately, i dont want my basses to duck when the kick comes in, i want them both to be playing off each other instead and creating extra dynamics that comes with this, and for me personally i apply good solid EQ, Subtractive EQ and applied compression, but ive never wanted that oomph oomph sound anyway, and i just dont personally think its a great technique overall, just my 2 bobs worth

[BloodStar]

yes. sidechaining is pretty much overdone in techno, that's true. you can achieve more or less the same and better result with using different approaches,good subtractive EQ,,and so. no doubt about it,. i just want to say, that any technique when used too often or any type of effect when used too much can become a cliche one day,. just look at the distortion effect,.all this schranz shit makes a real bad light on such a kind of effect even it can be great when used at the right moment with the right amount..or 909 style bass drums in techno,. there is much more.. it can be same for any type of effect or any production technique which become a cliche when used too often.. so i would advice dont hesitate to use any techniques or effect or whatever, but just use your brain and ears..my opinion.

[luisg99]

You guys always provide great tips for techno... hard to get this on other forums, gracias

[eyeswithoutaface]

this section of the board is easily the best, by a country mile :)

[danielmarshall]

I love this place too eyeswithoutaface

One way of using a side chain a little more creatively is to use it as an insert instead of a send (so you don't hear the key at all) on an independant kick drum or loop with a rather agressive attack and release to create dynamics in the bass somewhere other than the offbeat. I also llike using side chainging to gate my rides. rhythmtech seems to be a fan too.

[rhythmtech]

rhythmtech seems to be a fan too.

haha yeah :)

i like using it on rides too.. but not a straight 4/4 kick.. something a little differant.