Producer or Composer?

[holotropik]

Talkin about this the other day

Do you consider yourself a composer
or a producer?

There is a difference and even though
it is probably splitting hairs....

[rhythmtech]

i'd be hard pressed to call my self either!!!!!

[dirty_bass]

Musician who can produce that aspires to be a composer.

[eyeswithoutaface]

musician who can produce definately

and not many of those around at the moment unfortunately

[rhythmtech]

musician who can produce definately

and not many of those around at the moment unfortunately

man im gonna have to send you some prozac.. you're very negative lately :razz:

[eyeswithoutaface]

eh? nothing negative about it, simply truth. There are not many real musicians within techno, never have been. I dont mean someone who has a midi keyboard, im talking someone who can play the guitar to a professional standard, or the Piano to a graded standard, professional violinists etc etc

[rhythmtech]

yeah i know m8. just takin the piss!

well i guess i'm a musician whos trying to learn production then.

[holotropik]

eh? nothing negative about it, simply truth. There are not many real musicians within techno, never have been. I dont mean someone who has a midi keyboard, im talking someone who can play the guitar to a professional standard, or the Piano to a graded standard, professional violinists etc etc

Well the way I see it
Techno is different
Can have little to do with traditional music
and still be top-notch stuff.

Different language
technique
Time.

Comparing Techno to traditional forms
is negating the nature of art
and human ingenuity.

Sure if you want to write dance music
that contains guitar or piano
thats cool
But, doesnt mean that stuff written with a sampling technique
or rhythm structure isnt also great music.
rather narrow minded actually.

[holotropik]

What is understood by the term Composer?

Isnt it someone who writes music?
Whereas a produce is someone that edits and programs or polishes...

Help?

I always understood that a composer is someone who writes original music
using instruments of whatever form...

[acidsaturation]

I just use ejay

[holotropik]

Nah ejay is way to hard.
I tried to use ejay4
but
couldnt get my head around the efx...

[eyeswithoutaface]

eh? nothing negative about it, simply truth. There are not many real musicians within techno, never have been. I dont mean someone who has a midi keyboard, im talking someone who can play the guitar to a professional standard, or the Piano to a graded standard, professional violinists etc etc

Well the way I see it
Techno is different
Can have little to do with traditional music
and still be top-notch stuff.

Different language
technique
Time.

Comparing Techno to traditional forms
is negating the nature of art
and human ingenuity.

Sure if you want to write dance music
that contains guitar or piano
thats cool
But, doesnt mean that stuff written with a sampling technique
or rhythm structure isnt also great music.
rather narrow minded actually.

your totally missing the point, i wasnt comparing anything, i was simply stating the many advantages and qualities that make musicians who are working in the electronic/dance realm standout. It's pretty obvious when listening to alot of records these days who hasnt a clue about basic music theory and who does.

I wasnt saying those who are fluent in spanish guitar will be amazing techno producers, that was quite clear i think, merely stating that if a person was fluent in spanish guitar and also knew their stuff production wise, there are numerous skills that are passed over into their productions often without them even knowing it

it wasnt a confusing issue at all, so lets not try and make it so, there's no alienation or elitism going on here simply an opinion and a pretty valid one at that. The majority of techno producers, certainly the loop mongers, havent got a clue about basic scales, strtucture, timing's, cadence's etc etc and this shows, someone who does have this knowledge will no doubt have a better understanding of production as a whole

thats all ;)

[RDR]

I just enjoy writing music. Not really bothered about a label.

I love playing guitar..i love playing drums..bass and dabbling with the keyboard.. i have a grade in music theory.. i like it all..

I also like watching talented musicians.. a great joy indeed to see them.

If i never make it then ill be unhappy, but im not even sure what 'making it' actually means..

Music is an end in itself, not the method by which we learn how to be richer.

[eyeswithoutaface]

of course, money is immaterial in that sense to me. Most of the people i know with their heads screwed on support themselves outside of their music making endeavours, which is the only way id recommend to anyone getting involved in a scene right now

writing and making music is ultimately more rewarding than having a bank balance that is slightly higher than your used to.

i deem making it as achieving your own personal goals, whatever they may be. Mine is simply to be able to write and release the music that i want, without anyone impeding the process in any way shape or form. And luckily im able to do that right now, so thats cool enough, im happy :)

[RDR]

of course, money is immaterial in that sense to me. Most of the people i know with their heads screwed on support themselves outside of their music making endeavours, which is the only way id recommend to anyone getting involved in a scene right now

writing and making music is ultimately more rewarding than having a bank balance that is slightly higher than your used to.

i deem making it as achieving your own personal goals, whatever they may be. Mine is simply to be able to write and release the music that i want, without anyone impeding the process in any way shape or form. And luckily im able to do that right now, so thats cool enough, im happy :)

Right on scott. :thumbsup:

[eyeswithoutaface]

i forgot to add one of my other goals is to roundhouse kick Grace from big brother in the face whilst listening to my own records, so yeah, im nowhere near making it really!

:)

[holotropik]

of course, money is immaterial in that sense to me. Most of the people i know with their heads screwed on support themselves outside of their music making endeavours, which is the only way id recommend to anyone getting involved in a scene right now

writing and making music is ultimately more rewarding than having a bank balance that is slightly higher than your used to.

i deem making it as achieving your own personal goals, whatever they may be. Mine is simply to be able to write and release the music that i want, without anyone impeding the process in any way shape or form. And luckily im able to do that right now, so thats cool enough, im happy :)

Spot on dude ;)

[holotropik]

...and I'm just rattling on
while I wait for some new toys
....bored
c'mon Mr. Mailman!!
:)

[machina]

I was about to say something along those lines :-) y'all think about it too much... just ****ing do it and smile when it's good, and curse your lack of talent and skill when it's shite.

machina

[rounser]

I'm surprised that "hack" isn't an option. I think that most dance music producers are hacks, and I don't mean that in a derogatory or negative way at all...