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[Buttman]

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[Sunil]

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[RDR]

Wasn't directed at you mate, they really seem to have got ole tocsin's back up...

Of course they get my back up, I hate it when people decide to form fake organizations to speak for me, especially when they are hypocritical in the process.

He's bloody right though.

Although he doesnt know how.. (excuse me mate.. ill explain)

The hypocracy comes not from the music they will have undoubtdly downloaded themselves, but from the software, sample CDs, ripped lyrics, ripped kicks/snares/hats they have sampled.

So where is the line drawn? At their wallets? At the law itself? It appears drawn for their wallets.

I know lots of producers that have sample CDs they dont actually own, who use illegal copies of software and write and sell music on them.

I include myself in this. So who the hell are we to moan about MP3s? I've yet to meet ANYONE who used only legal software alone... no warez of any kind. Some of you might have legal now, but it wasnt always that way was it? (im making assumptions here...i know, but im willing to bet)

In fact the difference between stealing an album and stealing a program say like soundforge is MASSIVE. an album.. you are taking away 9.99 from the industry (79p from the artist of course) soundforge is 399 quid. Work it out....

Im trying to go legal, but its not easy, its not cheap, but i feel better for it.

[Buttman]

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[Jay Pace]

Music is more than the sum of its parts.

There is hypocracy in ripping off software and samples, then complaining when people rip off your music, but I don't think its fair to claim that the artists have no right to claim the music they produce as their own property, for which they are entitled to charge for.

If I wrote a book, a work of fiction lets say, using a cracked copy of microsoft word, using a laptop I nicked and I borrowed heavily from other writers I might be acting unethically, but it wouldn't follow that I couldn't charge for anything I produced.

It might be hypocritical that I complained about people stealing from me whilst I was stealing myself, but I would still have a valid claim to want to be paid for my work.

A line is drawn where ever someone believes they have created something original, and they want crediting and paying for it.

dodgy - I'm sure you're like plenty of other people. You start of stealing, you end up buying. I'm pretty sure the software companies are aware of this progression. There's no way I was ever going to fork out for a copy of cubase when I was just tinkering about, but once it becomes an integral tool you depend on buying it becomes a lot more appealing.

Ramble Ramble. Sure theres a point in there somewhere.

[tocsin]

If a bunch of hack artists (and I mean that specifically as a lot of their sound is hacked out of other existing works and kludged together) make threats of tyring to kill servies, or any other dumb bullshit, which I use to distribute MY music for free of my own will and volition, they can **** off. Criminals complaining about when they get screwed by crime is just pussy shit. If they want to go after individual pirates and such, fine. But I don't want to hear smack talked about places like Soulseek and other filesharing sites. I've used them exclusively at times to distribute my own tracks when I didn't have the bandwidth on a webserver to do it from there. And this ALWAYS gets ignored by these dime-a-dozen hack artists.

[Jay Pace]

Valids points mate, but I think all these guys are trying to do is educate people a bit.
Hardcore is a relatively small scene dependent on a youth audience who tend to be fairly prolific filesharers.

I don't think they are trying to take down all p2p networks or kill servies, just asking people to support the scene by paying for music rather than stealing it and sharing it illegally.

Which isn't an unreasonable request IMO.

[Stompinraver]

never found any full song dj friendly hardcore mp3s on those filesharing things anyway..if anything the reason people try and use filesharing to get hardcore mp3s is because theres not enough digital download sites with the tunes that they want to buy on them..

[tocsin]

I couldn't tell exactly what they were doing by what was said in their thread, Jay. And, for all the people to bitch, hardcore labels and artists? Thieves bitching about thievery is just too hypocritical to ignore. It's like listening to whores lecture us about how terrible people who suck dick for money are.

[koma]

It's like listening to whores lecture us about how terrible people who suck dick for money are.

:cheese:

[Remade]

And, for all the people to bitch, hardcore labels and artists? Thieves bitching about thievery is just too hypocritical to ignore. It's like listening to whores lecture us about how terrible people who suck dick for money are.

:clap: :clap: hear hear

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