Is there a correlation between house and techno?

**The Overfiend** · 21-07-2006, 09:48 PM

In the past few years I've noticed a progression or regression of sorts.
Most of the time I noticed people who produced techno once before
do a move to house music.
Sometimes directly full swing like Laidback Luke or Angel Alanis.
What is the reason for this?
Or does it have to do with the relationship of the two genres.
To say the two do not have a coexistence is null.

**rhythmtech** · 21-07-2006, 11:42 PM

there is definitly.. or at least with techno/techhouse.

to me i think its just a need to explore into music further yet at the same time keeping on board what you know. house & techhouse are some what more musical in a traditional sense so will there for, most likely be explored by the more musical producers (alanis definitly being musically gifted). i cant see some nose bleed schranz bootlegger going down the house route but even some of the harder acid bods have done it very succesfully - chris liberator & davethedrummer's HA-LO project on eukatech for example.

**Dustin Zahn** · 21-07-2006, 11:52 PM

they're pretty much the same thing. one just uses more aggressive sounds.

**The Overfiend** · 22-07-2006, 12:08 AM

Great point, what gets me is how certain ones through, draw a line.
laidback luke made a public statement about how techno was too boring for him.
I just don't understand how you go from making a classic like
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF42756-01-01-01.mp3
to
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF213930-01-01-14.mp3
I cringe

**eyeswithoutaface** · 22-07-2006, 12:48 AM

it's all about routine and change, sounds strange, but true. The routine comes in the form of house and techno all being sequenced and produced to a certain degree i.e the 4/4 kick to keep things inline, a hi hat on every 3rd beat etc etc. This brings the routine and familiarity that everyone inside, even sub-conciously, needs to process something correctly. The change comes with the persons own individual "journey" as it were in what they are into, what they are getting into, what they've been into for the past however many years etc etc. Everyone needs a change at some point, otherwise its overkill time. A good example are people like Beyer going down the minimal route, or we'l say "less banging" to save any arguements. They get slated, and i mean seriously slated by some people, for doing something that someone doesnt like. What people forget is that after doing and being known for nigh on ten years for doing that basically one hard, loopy sound, it's going to get mind numbingly boring to the producer and it's by nature that they delve into other areas. But they have an audience that they dont want to totally alienate. Hence the routine section, something familiar whilst changing the overall product

like that example above from Tony, which personally i happen to enjoy the 2nd sample more. Notice it sounds alot better produced than the Pump Panel track too, which is a classic definately, but im guessing the 2nd release came a while after which just shows the natural progression, the natural maturation of the producer and need to change....

so basically, its just natural

**Stella Boy** · 22-07-2006, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by SummerOfSam

laidback luke made a public statement about how techno was too boring for him.
I just don't understand how you go from making a classic like
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF42756-01-01-01.mp3
to
http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF213930-01-01-14.mp3
I cringe

perhaps his taste in music production changed and got bored of doing something which he wasn't into anymore; it happens.

they're pretty much the same thing. one just uses more aggressive sounds.

Some of the best techno ever produced has the most lush sounds you could ever want to hear. Aggressive sounds may be the 1st thing alot of people say about it but it's not exactly true.

**eyeswithoutaface** · 22-07-2006, 01:11 AM

yeah agreed, if talking about hard techno maybe

but stick on "Windchimes" by UR (Perception if my memory holds up)

sheer beauty

or "High Tech Jazz"

swoooooooooon

**rhythmtech** · 22-07-2006, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Stella Boy

Some of the best techno ever produced has the most lush sounds you could ever want to hear. Aggressive sounds may be the 1st thing alot of people say about it but it's not exactly true.

i'd agree with that.. i think techno just uses them in a more aggresive way.

**Stella Boy** · 22-07-2006, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by rhythmtech

Originally Posted by Stella Boy

Some of the best techno ever produced has the most lush sounds you could ever want to hear. Aggressive sounds may be the 1st thing alot of people say about it but it's not exactly true.

i'd agree with that.. i think techno just uses them in a more aggresive way.

Hard techno yes but there's sooo much more to techno than hard beats and aggression. Alot of house and techno coming out at the moment is very similar, to he point of house & techno dj's merging the 2. Not that this hasn't been done before but it's easier for alot of dj's who like both genres to merge the 2 together without much risk of their set sounding disjointed or slightly confused.

IMO - it would be very easy to grab some of the modern prog stuff along with some of the recent mnml techno & throw in some bingo bango bongo sims-esq stuff and the set would flow and go well in alot of house/techno clubs; but obviously not the hard techno clubs :lol:

**holotropik** · 22-07-2006, 01:55 AM

When you are young you just want to bang away
when you get a bit older you was to slide...

There is also the element of survival in the industry
that can sway some into a more house direction.
Lately round these parts there has been a trend
into the more house/thump side of things with more
venues and peeps wanting this sound. You kinda get
left out if you cant play this side of the music.

I have always foound that when I want to just chill
with my lady, enjoy a spliff and the lovin
then something tending on the house side is perfect.

Just leave the cheesy vocals out of it....

**The Overfiend** · 22-07-2006, 02:02 AM

Depending on how the vocal is done.
If its that back to church in alabama stuff then no
but if its like esthero and ian pooleys then go for it

**holotropik** · 22-07-2006, 02:04 AM

yep, true
there are some great vocs
We dont like the overdone pop sorta thing.

**Stella Boy** · 22-07-2006, 02:21 AM

you can effectively use any vocal from anywhere in the world, from any walk of life. How you use those sample says how good you are as a dj/producer.

**Dustin Zahn** · 22-07-2006, 02:29 AM

I should add to what i meant before...normally I mean the predictable kind of techno that you would find on places like BOA. Detroit Techno in my mind is just as much as house music as it is techno.

**Little_Fella!** · 22-07-2006, 02:33 AM

Alot of people may have started with House from the Eighties onwards and some, like myself, would go for the darker more moody side, say like 'Lets Get Brutal' by Nitro Delux...

Joey Beltram once said that he didn't think that he was making Techno when he created Energy Flash, he just thought he was making dark House music...

This is where the blending of the two genres comes from I think.

**Little_Fella!** · 22-07-2006, 02:38 AM

So therefore maybe producers who headed for what could be categorised as pure or acid techno, as has been said, are heading away naturally from something they have been producing for some time...

The creative spark leaning back towards where they came from....

**Little_Fella!** · 22-07-2006, 02:47 AM

There is more money in House of course, which is probably part of a producers decision making process also...

Timo Mass did this... He created the likes of 'Ubik' and 'Der Schieber', which I loved, and then he shot off into commercial House.. This for me was a great shame :(

**The Overfiend** · 22-07-2006, 04:03 AM

Some have done it excrutiatingly right
Like Cajmere aka Green Velvet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcsqoPiSF5Q

**The Overfiend** · 22-07-2006, 04:03 AM

I do drive by Shake & Pops.

**holotropik** · 22-07-2006, 04:19 AM

hehehe...
...goes and trys some new dance moves...shhh! ;)

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