PATRIK SKOOG: Harder tribal sounds or minimal?

[The Overfiend]

Body count sucked. It was the cheese of cheese at the metal clubs I used to frequent at. We treated it like a kylie record.
And now he`s in Law and Order on TV.
What next, Ice T dancing with Bear and Barney?

Cop Killer did not suck.
Law And Order is my favorite tv show.
And for f*cks sake he's getting paid more than the lot of us.

[The Overfiend]

With all the recent changes in techno it sounds kinda dated. Quality work, but not exactly timeless.

A lot of people would consider techno to have NO timelessness. How timeless can boom-tsk-boom-tsk-boom-tsk be? Besides, regardless of these 'changes', why do people jump on the band-wagon so damn much? Why did so many artists who made such beautiful hard techno switch to the total opposite, clicky boring put my ass to sleep techno? Yeah, the hard techno of days past has pretty much been played out, but don't kill it off like an old dog you don't want anymore. That style of techno is what brought us all to this forum, keep it alive because it deserves to be alive, regardless of how un-timeless it is.

is it a rule that all should just stick to one style?

No, but it's true Metallica didn't make jazz... ? >:|

Yeah but Skoog is still able to make quality hard techno
Metallica hasn'tmade anything worth mention since And Justice For All

[dirty_bass]

Body count sucked. It was the cheese of cheese at the metal clubs I used to frequent at. We treated it like a kylie record.
And now he`s in Law and Order on TV.
What next, Ice T dancing with Bear and Barney?

Cop Killer did not suck.
Law And Order is my favorite tv show.
And for f*cks sake he's getting paid more than the lot of us.

What does money have to do with anything, other than representing the bad side of man?

[Heroes]

yea id never play a kylie record

[gary_human]

yea id never play a kylie record

not even a gw remix ? surely it gota be time for that? :lol:

[Dustin Zahn]

Ice T can't be a ****ing gangsta rapper for ever. Homeboys can grow up sometime too. As for Patrik, yes I miss his harder sound but people need to realize he's been making hard shit since 1998. Between the Headroom project and his solo works he has dozens upon dozens of hard techno records out. You can only crank out the same formula for so long before you need a change up. Let him do his thing, and you do your own.

[Mindful]

Word

[Bas Mooy]

like both! although my personal taste is more towards the harder stuff...but patrik is a great producer who had a major influence on a lot of people teh last decade. got a lot of superb records by him...:)

[The Overfiend]

Body count sucked. It was the cheese of cheese at the metal clubs I used to frequent at. We treated it like a kylie record.
And now he`s in Law and Order on TV.
What next, Ice T dancing with Bear and Barney?

Cop Killer did not suck.
Law And Order is my favorite tv show.
And for f*cks sake he's getting paid more than the lot of us.

What does money have to do with anything, other than representing the bad side of man?

Meaning him being on Law and Order to me is a step up from him being 50 years old and still trying to rap about the hood.
The guy is a pioneer in hop hop and is the same guy in the breakin movie with chains and such rapping while people were b-boying.
He has longevity.
And relevance to this topic obviously so does Skoog
I don't see anyone giving the rest of Headroom crap for being the Air Bureau and doing ......................house... oh the horror.
Lol.
Shakes head at people

[dirty_bass]

Dude still can`t act for toffee though can he? Even Roger Moore can act better than Ice.

But anyway, as for Skoog. Whatever, more important than anything is what he thinks of the music he is making, and that he is enjoying it and doing it for himself, which I think he is. I totally understand the need to do something else, and fair enough, ya can`t go on doing the same shit year in year out forever.

However.

A nice bit of dirty kaboom kaboom techno now and again from Pat would be nice.

[Spire]

This may be a little off topic but, here's the only 'minimal' techno that I've ever liked. To me, this shit is like a mixture of film scores and hard techno. It's got that clicky minimal sound to it and the hard kicks and grooves of the harder stuff. Pascal is my ****ing idol. I wish Skoog (and other hard techno artist going to minimal route) would make shit like this. This is the style that I'm pushing my own productions in the direction of. I'm not sure it's considered minimal but, it's definitely not... maximal...? :\

Pascal FEOS - Live @ HR-XXL Clubnight 2000 (Part 1)

[Dustin Zahn]

Spire, there's loads of this kind of "minimal" about. Check out 2 Dollar Egg, Besier/Lorber, Quixote, Beyer's mad eye stuff, Lee Van Dowski, Radioslave, Marek Bois, Raudive, Audion, Eidolon, etc.

[Spire]

Ahh dope, I will check them out. Have any sets of this kind of stuff you can hook up?

[Spire]

Ok, checked all them out and most of that sounds more like house to me than techno. I didn't get to listen to much because I only checked Juno and they only had a few releases for each but, like I said, too much house sound for me. :| I'm thinking stuff more along the lines of Kanzleramt.

[Dustin Zahn]

Kanzleramt and Agaric are two completely different sounds man. :) I guess I am confused as to what you're looking for.

[Spire]

Well, like I said, my above comment was a little off topic. I'm not really a fan of the Agaric stuff or any of that 'minimal' stuff. :\ I was just saying how the Pascal set I posted is what I wish all the minimal crap sounded like. Yeah, Kanzleramt is not minimal, but I consider it minimal-techno because it's not like stuff you'd find on Audio Assault or Planet Rhythm. Sorry bro, I'm just wishing minimal would DIE ALREADY!!! That housy trippy clicky beepy sleepy shit!!! ;x j/p haha

But really though, it's cool that Skoog is moving in a different direction. I'm sure over there in Europe the whole hard techno scene is REALLY played out and people are absolutely bored of it by now, especially those producing it. But here where I live, there isn't not enough of it! I think Skoog and techno producers in general just need to focus on more dynamics in their techno tracks, like more intricate breaks and varying the percussion more if their sick of making the same thing every time. AHHH ok I'll stoping whining and ranting... I'll shut up now, move along. ;x

[Dustin Zahn]

Sorry, I completely misread. I thought you said you were looking for stuff like agaric and the likes. Reading back and listening to the Pascal Feos set, it seems like you need a little "Basic Channel" in your life.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Basic+Channel

The Maurizio project is ****ing phenomenal as well. The Chain Reaction, Main Street, and Rhythm & Sound labels are worth checking out too. Classic minimal techno in this vein. You can also get a lot of similar stuff from back catalog like some labels such as Synewave or U-Turn.

[Spire]

Maurizio, now that is what I'm ****in talkin about! ;D I'm diggin that shit a lot. NO CLICKS! ;D haha But for real, it still has a techno sound to it, not housy. Synewave is good too, I have a lot of their shit, Damon Wild is a badass.

[The Overfiend]

http://www.livedaybyday.com/Pranks/Good%20Morning.mp3

[Antinoise]

I can't believe this... His new tracks lacks soul.

I've been a little out of the techno loop for over a year now with a heavy personal schedule and I have just recently come back to learn of this big minimal movement by some of the power players. On one hand I am excited by change, but on the other I'm disgusted by the follow the leader the mentality.

Let me preface by saying that I like all forms of music... and especially all forms within the electronic genre that hit the body and soul. I am not bias in any way other than wanting my music to evoke an emotion.. And like I said.. change gets me amped!

BUT..... some of the minimal tracks I have been hearing, like Skoog's new releases is have been done as repeatably as hard techno since Hawtin's first PlastikMan releases. I have thrown 1000 records just like these "Agaric" releases back in the bin without a thought over the years. Furthermore, it's dry clicky techno that just leaves me blank. It's not driving, it's not melodic, it's not even dark. Minimal techno requires a thicker pallet to add atmosphere in place of the lost in-your-face beat.

Yes.. he can do what he likes, I have no problem with that.. But people have to wake up and start evaluating music for what it is. If a big techno player is going to change their style, they need to expected to be reevaluated. If "Agaric" did not have Skoog's name attached to it, then it would never make it past the bin of other minimal 'whatevers' produced since the mid to late 90's.

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ALL THIS SAID....I'M EXCITED. I feel like I have re-entered techno at just the right time. The gloves are off and the winds change are upon us. Old conventions are broken, new ones are emerging, and for once people are OK with that. Its OK to be melodic, It's OK to be hard, its OK to be soulful, and most importantly, it's OK to call techno a form of expression again rather than a boxed in formula. But don't expect this shift to happen without a change in power! Fresh legs will emerge and the tired players will drift into the background before the next revolution grabs hold.

I just woke up to a new day in techno. I love making music again. Not because of what I heard today, but because what I can make tomorrow. It's time for something new.