adam beyer

[rhythmtech]

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

im not talking about tuning your music at all... but i know from my experience that when i write a tune i write a tune.. it goes where it goes - underground, commercial, whatever..

surely if you SET OUT to write music thats purely underground then thats just as bad? music should be whatever you feel at the time of writing, and if thats commercially viable then lucky you.

[robin m]

:whoops:

as a matter of principle your statement is right. but nowadays i cant see that many producers doing it deeply from their hearts. i always hear apologies like "but i have to pay my rent". i say fu.ck it! if music cant pay your rent you have to get a fu.cking job.

Fair enough, I'm sure a lot of producers do make music that's going to pay the bills rather than stuff they believe in - that's why I said 'great music' rather than 'successful music'.

I might be completely wrong about this (who knows what's going on in someone else's head) but as far as I can tell most of the music I regard as truly great was made with passion rather than commercial success as the driving force.

Music is fundamentally an artform - it's an insubstantial production of someone's creativity that brings enjoyment to people. It's very easy to lose sight of this though, as its nature is to exist and be distributed as multiple copies of the same piece (rather than as one single entity, such as a painting or something).

Artists in the more traditional sense pay their rent by being able to sell single pieces, in theory at higher and higher prices as they become better & gain more recognition - musical artists have to sell multiple copies of the same piece so are forced to make their money in a different way, by retailing... which comes with a whole different set of rules.

...I don't know if any of this is relevant or even makes sense, I was just typing as I was thinking really, I think it's the way I see it anyway! :whoops:

[robin m]

surely if you SET OUT to write music thats purely underground then thats just as bad? music should be whatever you feel at the time of writing, and if thats commercially viable then lucky you.

Totally agree

I'm not knocking anyone's approach or reasons to write music, just saying that I think that the majority of music that's truly great was made for passion rather than profit.

[loopdon]

if you "tune" your music in a way it sells better, fine. nothing wrong with it. but then dont tell me it is deep from your heart. cause its bollocks. i read a great post from mark hawkins here some time ago. he wrote since he had a regular job he was more satisfied with the music he did cause there wasnt the pressure to sell loads of it. he did what he wanted to do not what the market wanted him to do.

you doing any kind of music yourself, mate? just interested.

i love such a lot of different kinds of music from ''deep in my heart'' that i really can't follow your path of thought.... what works for Mark Hawkins works for Mark, but it is his(!) reality/situation - not necessarily that of the rest of us, eh? stuff that was commercial yesterday can be a niche product ever so quickly and the other way round. do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercially successful at this point in time???

[Jay Pace]

i love such a lot of different kinds of music from ''deep in my heart'' that i really can't follow your utterings.... what works for mark works for mark but it is his (!) reality/situation - not necessarily that of the rest of us, eh? stuffthat was commercial yesterday can be a niche product ever so quickly and the other way round. do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercial at this point in time???

:cheese::clap:

[DannyBlack]

i have to say as a producer he has to be one of the best. i went to see him a while back, savage DJ.

check this out http://www.discogs.com/label/Zenit

classy techno.

im really into all the drumcode stuff he did too, it has to be some of the most intelligent techno i have ever heard.

[fac]

you doing any kind of music yourself, mate? just interested.

no, i'm only a fanboy

do i have to stop doing something or may i not try something just because it's commercially successful at this point in time???

i never said that. i didnt say commercially successful stuff was the pure evil. that attitude is quite gay. i only referred to robins statement which is honourable but obviously not the reality nowadays.

[audioinjection]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.

[BRADLEE]

It's Adam Beyer....That's all I can say. He can do what he wants to do....

Regardless of what people are used to from the man, I would expect nothing less than solid material no matter what style he's making.

Now if he started playing country or polka, then perhaps people might have something to complain about

[fac]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.

can i give you a hug? :)

[eyeswithoutaface]

your all thinking way too much

Beyer isnt gonna give a ****ing toss what a bunch of people on message board are saying about him when their bored so i dont see why people should get so het up about it. As for writing music to sell etc, well, DUH! who doesnt want good sales? you show me one person who doesnt want to sell records and i'l show you a liar. There is no frigging underground these days, there hasnt been for years. You either make music and have great sales, make music and have average sales or make music and have poor sales. That's about the be all and end all of it when it comes to the production/creation of music side of things within this scene

[rhythmtech]

i dont think i want my kids to grow up in a world where scott talks sense.. im scared

[fac]

Beyer isnt gonna give a ****ing toss what a bunch of people on message board are saying about him when their bored

i thought he was reading all the stuff here and changes his sound tomorrow...

[The Overfiend]

Fact: Beyer does read this board.
Fact: Any artist would want a positive reaction to their creative output.
Otherwise why release it to begin with.

[The Overfiend]

I just want to make music that I want to make, if I get recognized for it, and I get paid for it, then big ups to me......otherwise, I'll just stick with my current job to pay the bills.

Exactly
I think what is part of it David, is that we come from the generation of the go getter, bigger is better mindstate, and know that 10 to 20 successful techno records a year still will not give you financial stability. At least in our neck of the woods. I'll continue to make what I like, and drive my SUV and proceed to law school, while Mr. I'mtheHottestDjInTheClubYouNeverHeardOfFollowUpFor AnyJockWithIntegrity Has Their Open Bar wishes and ecstasy pill induced fantasy of being one of the big boys. If it is in your cards then so be it, if not don't knock the ones that made it. They earned it with whatever practices they put into play.

Beyer was & is just that damn good.

[eyeswithoutaface]

If beyer was reading this i'd hope he'd be appreciative enough off all positive reactions to his creative output and actually post his opinion aswell, surely?? And he does get positive reactions here i think, on the whole, it's agreed he's done alot for techno and i personally still love hearing the old drumcodes as much as the new minimal stuff, i love it all.

I think thats one thing we would always agree on Tony, Beyer definately kills it and always has.

[Tiptoe]

sometimes can't believe the amout of pages and fuss that goes on about something like this. The guys done a lot for techno and that alone should be enough for someone even if they don't like his newer stuff to not moan about it. Can't believe we have these topics sometimes!

[dirty_bass]

I don`t even know what the hell this discussion is about.
It seems to me to be a kind of simpering argument about something.
I dunno.

Oh yeah

Adam Beyer.
He`s done some great records, I like em.
Well done that man, keep it up.

[dan the acid man]

If beyer was reading this i'd hope he'd be appreciative enough off all positive reactions to his creative output and actually post his opinion aswell, surely?? And he does get positive reactions here i think, on the whole, it's agreed he's done alot for techno and i personally still love hearing the old drumcodes as much as the new minimal stuff, i love it all.

I think thats one thing we would always agree on Tony, Beyer definately kills it and always has.

word to that

[markandrew]

respect to adam beyer for making a change and still keepin it rockin he wanted a change and did so even tho he knew some people wouldn't like it he thought it was worth the risk to do what he wants :)