cd single GOOD OR BAD ?

[jon connor]

Now then here is 1 to sink ya teeth into i was buying some cd singles of all the old jerk releases from drizzly reasently. the thing is i would of recorded them to pc from vynyl as i have everthing ever outputted techno wise from drizzly but thought , well sod it , so i bought the lot , but they sell them as a cd single as you would buy a vynyl , the artwork is all there and all that but the best thing im happy about is that they will of course have the master wavs there for i will have these tracks in a fine quality.

wot i want to no is , is this the next stage now for digital labels ? or is there not much point in haveing the cd done with art work ?

i think it is a good idea because if we revert back to buying the cd as we would vynyl it would reduce the risk of labels loosing out from haveing there tracks file shared. and they look good also fairplay. nice to look at in ya cd wallet rather than a blank old cd with marker pen , also when you can see in picture wot you have bought you get a sense of pride well i do anyway.

check this link have a look tell me wot you think.

http://www.cdjshop.com/boredofascrib...e.php?cat=1484

[The Overfiend]

I think it's a good idea it all comes down to cost man.

[The_Laughing_Man]

CD is a dead duck.
Physical media in general is just not worth while for independants.

I looked into this when I decided vinyl was chekcing out of the game.

A) Manufacturing costs are pretty much the same as vinyl.
B) No one stocks or sells CD`s in any record shops, and those that are stocked, don`t sell very well unless they are big name mixes.
C) Digital distribution of WAVs, FLAC and mp3 is better for everyone.
The costs to the label can be put into production/mastering and promotion, instead of materials.
The store has no packaging, posting, or warehousing to deal with.
Also, distributers these days are so money concious they are beyond taking risks with more underground music that willpush the progression of the music as a whole.
So currently we have a situation where everyone is playing safe, treading water, worrying about sales, all to sell just 500-1000 records at most. The distributers are dictating too strongly what is releaed on physical media, and the progression of underground music, and techno in particular, has slowed right down.
The freedom of digital media will allow people to experiment again without worrying so much about risk, which in turn will allow the music to develope and change more quickly and remain more relevent in terms of the Zeitgeist.
Anyone, anywhere in the world can access whatever music they like without having to wait for snail mail or travel to their nearest decent supplier.
CD`s will not effect file ripping at all.
Ripping from a CD takes 1 minute on a decent CD rom drive, far quicker than ripping vinyl, and yet people still rip every single bit of vinyl released.
The buyer buys the file, which they can then back up to hard drive, Cd, DVD, and also, should they wish to use a CDJ for some reason, burn their own, easily replaceable copy.
this eliminated problems of theft and damage, as you always have the music backed up.

Personally I think it is nice to have something physical, but mostly, the younger generations just don`t give a damn.
I feel it is much better to flow with the river on this subject, rather than get left high and dry.

Mp3 is still fairly young, once the stores get better and less generic, and have a better quality control policy, online shopping will become easier, especially when it comes to sorting through all the trash.

[RDR]

CD is a dead duck.
Physical media in general is just not worth while for independants.

I looked into this when I decided vinyl was chekcing out of the game.

A) Manufacturing costs are pretty much the same as vinyl.
B) No one stocks or sells CD`s in any record shops, and those that are stocked, don`t sell very well unless they are big name mixes.
C) Digital distribution of WAVs, FLAC and mp3 is better for everyone.
The costs to the label can be put into production/mastering and promotion, instead of materials.
The store has no packaging, posting, or warehousing to deal with.
Also, distributers these days are so money concious they are beyond taking risks with more underground music that willpush the progression of the music as a whole.
So currently we have a situation where everyone is playing safe, treading water, worrying about sales, all to sell just 500-1000 records at most. The distributers are dictating too strongly what is releaed on physical media, and the progression of underground music, and techno in particular, has slowed right down.
The freedom of digital media will allow people to experiment again without worrying so much about risk, which in turn will allow the music to develope and change more quickly and remain more relevent in terms of the Zeitgeist.
Anyone, anywhere in the world can access whatever music they like without having to wait for snail mail or travel to their nearest decent supplier.
CD`s will not effect file ripping at all.
Ripping from a CD takes 1 minute on a decent CD rom drive, far quicker than ripping vinyl, and yet people still rip every single bit of vinyl released.
The buyer buys the file, which they can then back up to hard drive, Cd, DVD, and also, should they wish to use a CDJ for some reason, burn their own, easily replaceable copy.
this eliminated problems of theft and damage, as you always have the music backed up.

Personally I think it is nice to have something physical, but mostly, the younger generations just don`t give a damn.
I feel it is much better to flow with the river on this subject, rather than get left high and dry.

Mp3 is still fairly young, once the stores get better and less generic, and have a better quality control policy, online shopping will become easier, especially when it comes to sorting through all the trash.

On the whole i would agree with that.. but can i point out something?

You said that label financing goes into promotional space rather than production costs.. does this shit the cost base rather than the attitude of the majors? And im not convinced that this changes much... generic stores use the rack spacing policy of old chool models that people like HMV used. Labels pay for promotional space in places like HMV, its not put on by the stores for no cost to label.

Bearing in mind the basic assumption that any markets narrows by larger stores buying bigger ones ( and we are not at the expansion stage of MP3 retaillers at the moment.. its still not taken off yet, but its getting there IMO) we will see an expansion then contraction. But still the big labels will get bigger by promotional activity.. will all that it implies for the rest of us.

And when the majors ACTUALLY get their teeth into it, there's gonna be pandemonium.

[jon connor]

well ok i see where you two are comming from but listen mabey a cd single might be a bit to costly for sum people but here is wot i would like to recieve eventually if possible.

I am a techno collector so i dont mind paying an extra couple of quid for a nice cd with some artwork and case,

also mabey some of the guys might not want to release single cd so why not look at wot andreas and thomas have done on the 666 album release about 8 to10 unmixed tracks in wav format , i certainly wouldent mind paying for that either ,

and also i would like like to receive, as a happy customer the cd beeing a DATA and MUSIC cd reason beeing i would like the wav in a data file and also mp3 file , this would be great to store straight on 1 of my external hard drive`s and mp3 which can be moved staight onto my ipod or portable mp3 players.
( just saves messing about extracting etc )

i would be happy with that because as a customer im getting pretty much good value for my money happy days everyone is happy.

[The_Laughing_Man]

Most distributers just aren`t interested in CD singles (what few there are left that is), and there simply isn`t a market for it.
Buy the downloads and burn your own CD`s

[davethedrummer]

i bought a couple of cd singles off juno the other day by mistake!
a patterns one and and acidizer one
I was really pissed off when i realized they were cds!
and they were 4.49 each!
what a rip off!
they were in the 12" section jumbled up with all the vinyls
so watch out chaps you have been warned.

bloody stupid idea, cd singles aren't they?
i mean what's the point?
digital is digital right?
once it's digital then who f+cking cares what format it's in
download, cd , who gives a toss, really?
as long as it sounds ok.

[gunjack]

i bought a couple of cd singles off juno the other day by mistake!
a patterns one and and acidizer one
I was really pissed off when i realized they were cds!
and they were 4.49 each!
what a rip off!
they were in the 12" section jumbled up with all the vinyls
so watch out chaps you have been warned.

bloody stupid idea, cd singles aren't they?
i mean what's the point?
digital is digital right?
once it's digital then who f+cking cares what format it's in
download, cd , who gives a toss, really?
as long as it sounds ok.

well actually if you live in mexico or nigeria let's say... where there are 3 whole vinyl shops in the entire country, you would understand the demand for this product. most DJs here download and burn, so when folks take the time to buy a 5 dollar CD single from your distributor it means that these are people who are supporting you enough to not download and burn pirate, and are pushing your music in a place where your 12" would not have otherwise arrived!

gj

[jon connor]

well actually if you live in mexico or nigeria let's say... where there are 3 whole vinyl shops in the entire country, you would understand the demand for this product. most DJs here download and burn, so when folks take the time to buy a 5 dollar CD single from your distributor it means that these are people who are supporting you enough to not download and burn pirate, and are pushing your music in a place where your 12" would not have otherwise arrived!

gj

amazing well put mr gunjack is precisly my point , as a collector of techno aswell as an artist i dont mind paying an extra few quid for a cd single ya no, i feel ive got value for my money and as we all no a mastered wav is always going to be better sounding than a mp3.

[jon connor]

i bought a couple of cd singles off juno the other day by mistake!
a patterns one and and acidizer one
I was really pissed off when i realized they were cds!
and they were 4.49 each!
what a rip off!
they were in the 12" section jumbled up with all the vinyls
so watch out chaps you have been warned.

bloody stupid idea, cd singles aren't they?
i mean what's the point?
digital is digital right?
once it's digital then who f+cking cares what format it's in
download, cd , who gives a toss, really?
as long as it sounds ok.

ahhh now now henry , listen man i tell you if you released a single file hydraulix cd say with 10 tracks on or even a hydraulix single cd , which i would prob sell after you hav shifted all your units of vynyl, i would be 1 of those customers as would probably about 500 other chaps on this board.

so erm any chance of 1 for chrimbo ? heheheheheheh

[davethedrummer]

ahhh now now henry , listen man i tell you if you released a single file hydraulix cd say with 10 tracks on or even a hydraulix single cd , which i would prob sell after you hav shifted all your units of vynyl, i would be 1 of those customers as would probably about 500 other chaps on this board.

so erm any chance of 1 for chrimbo ? heheheheheheh

nonsense

sod them thats what i say
tell them to get a couple of tin cans and an oil drum and bang out the tracks themselves
that'll save a few quid
and save me the trouble


grrrrrrrr!

[jon connor]

heheheheh ok then mr drummer , obviously not everyones cup of tea but hey just wanted to say like, i would be willing to pay for a single wav cd . mabey its a waste of time mabey its not just somtimes its nice to have the choice ya no man.

However i will state a fact i should of stated before @ the moment im more interested in back cat in this format especially stuff i collect, like the jerk , consruct rhythem etc from drizzly which they have put a few up recently so other labels for instance i would love to look at in the future in this format would be stuff form lets say , glen wilsons punish/ stuff like compound deffinatly your stuff hydraulix etc man there its a few that are just collectable .

[gunjack]

Most distributers just aren`t interested in CD singles (what few there are left that is), and there simply isn`t a market for it.

http://www.juno.co.uk/techno/back-cat/cd/


yea you dunno what you are talking about.

[jon connor]

http://www.juno.co.uk/techno/back-cat/cd/


yea you dunno what you are talking about.

couple bits there i like jesus i never new of that page before , will av better look later.

[The_Laughing_Man]

http://www.juno.co.uk/techno/back-cat/cd/


yea you dunno what you are talking about.

Yeah that`s a huge share of the market right now.

Can you just see those CD sales rising up like a mountain.

Cd is not the replacement for vinyl.

Those days ended somewhere in the 90`s, LAST CENTURY

No one is disputing that physical media is more pleasant for those of us old enough to care about it.
But the kids don`t care, and pretty soon there won`t be any ditributers left to carry any physical product, let alone all of a sudden deciding to plump for CD as their saviour.

[jon connor]

Yeah that`s a huge share of the market right now.

Can you just see those CD sales rising up like a mountain.

Cd is not the replacement for vinyl.

Those days ended somewhere in the 90`s, LAST CENTURY

No one is disputing that physical media is more pleasant for those of us old enough to care about it.
But the kids don`t care, and pretty soon there won`t be any ditributers left to carry any physical product, let alone all of a sudden deciding to plump for CD as their saviour.

dont want it to replace vynyl mate like i said to henry i would and i am thinking of doing this with my new label next year which will be vynyl, 2 months after release mp3 will go up and then i will look at backing up with a small amount of single cds , test the waters a bit.

[gunjack]

i never said it was a huge market but it is still a valid format for many people in the world so why be "snobbish" about it? if it gets your music to more people go for it i say

[jon connor]

i never said it was a huge market but it is still a valid format for many people in the world so why be "snobbish" about it? if it gets your music to more people go for it i say

yes thankyou.

[The_Laughing_Man]

There`s no snobbery, but who buys CD singles here?
Put your hands up?
How many people does everyone knows who buys CD?

The best trend to follow is the mainstream really.
Merchanidising

Most mid-level bands and acts in the mainstream area get a lot of their income now from merchandise rather than store sales of CD`s.

T-Shirts, CD`s blah blah, at point of gig.

For CD I think the best way to use them is to get a mix (almost a redundant commodity in terms of paying for them, but hey), or album of your tunes pressed up, and sell them at your gigs.

With manufacturing coming to about £1 - £1.50 a pop for a nice CD, you can sell em at a gig for a fiver.
A bargain for a full length CD.

That way the punter gets it cheap, and the artist gets more money percentage for their art, rather than the distributer and the store sucking up all the cash.

If everybody did this, we`d all benefit, and the scene would have just a little more strength to carry itself.

[stjohn]

no.. ive always hated cds...
they dont last... most cd players are pretty bad too.