Music Losing It's Meaning

[Patrick DSP]

I don't mean to preach but whom ever is complaining about this should really read this book...
http://www.whomovedmycheese.com

http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/media/WMMC-Preview.mov

I had to read it years ago. it was one of the best things I've ever done for myself. Instead of complaining about how things have changed for the worse, it'll help you realize that change is inevitable. and those that don't keep re-evolving and striving for new ways/sounds will end up being yesterday's news. how you interpret that "change" or moving of the "cheese" is up to the reader though.

[DJPAUZE]

I don't mean to preach but whom ever is complaining about this should really read this book...
http://www.whomovedmycheese.com

http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/media/WMMC-Preview.mov

I had to read it years ago. it was one of the best things I've ever done for myself. Instead of complaining about how things have changed for the worse, it'll help you realize that change is inevitable. and those that don't keep re-evolving and striving for new ways/sounds will end up being yesterday's news. how you interpret that "change" or moving of the "cheese" is up to the reader though.

You have him on your msn, I'll let him know about this. Thanks Pat! LOL, complaining, the guy isn't complaining, he was telling about his life situation and how he has decided to change it.

Thanks for your insight though, I'm sure this big dj will benefit from it.

[Patrick DSP]

Your original post sounded like he was complaining. I guess a few of us miss read it.

cheers,
-p.

[DJPAUZE]

Your original post sounded like he was complaining. I guess a few of us miss read it.

cheers,
-p.

Right. Well hopefully your articles will help this guy out eh?

[Patrick DSP]

Right. Well hopefully your articles will help this guy out eh?

Read the book. it's really good. 24 million copies sold. it's mostly written on a business standpoint, and how the business world is constantly shifting and changing. which is especially important nowadays with shifting markets and collapsing economies but it's main message can be applied to anything in life really, because life is always changing. it's written in very basic general terms so it can apply to us all from company executives to even homeless people. I think i still have my copy somewhere here.

Who Moved My Cheese? is the story of four characters living in a "Maze" who face unexpected change when they discover their "Cheese" has disappeared. Sniff and Scurry, who are mice, and Hem and Haw, little people the size of mice, each adapt to change in their "Maze" differently. In fact, one doesn't adapt at all...

This timeless allegory reveals profound truths to individuals and organizations dealing with change. We each live in a "Maze", a metaphor for the companies or organizations we work with, the communities we live in, the families we love places where we look for the things we want in life, "Cheese". It may be an enjoyable career, loving relationships, wealth, or spiritual peace of mind. With time and experience, one character eventually succeeds and even prospers from the change in his "Maze".In an effort to share what he has learned along the way, he records his personal discoveries on the maze walls, the "Handwriting on the Wall". Likewise, when we begin to see the "writing on the wall", we discover the simplicity and necessity of adapting to change.

Full of modern day insight, the story of Who Moved My Cheese? invites individuals and organizations to enjoy less stress and more success by learning to deal with the inevitable change.

[RDR]

There will always has been and always will be shitty music, and over commercial copycat shite, and good shite, and really out there shite, regardless of the accessability or not.
Wether it`s bands playing punk on cheap junk shop instruments or kids using software, music is no more accessable, it is just presentable in different forms.

Sounds like the moaning gimboid is just pining for more money.
Well you should have told him to try harder and make better music, rather than looking for excuses.

+1

It amazes me that anyone feels it necessary to access and equine with a step ladder over music. It is what it is FFS people.

as for beatport and 'quality' they've been JUST as guilty of it as anyone else. (insert personal gripe here)

What a to-do!

[MARK ANXIOUS]

I don't mean to preach but whom ever is complaining about this should really read this book...
http://www.whomovedmycheese.com

http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/media/WMMC-Preview.mov

I had to read it years ago. it was one of the best things I've ever done for myself. Instead of complaining about how things have changed for the worse, it'll help you realize that change is inevitable. and those that don't keep re-evolving and striving for new ways/sounds will end up being yesterday's news. how you interpret that "change" or moving of the "cheese" is up to the reader though.

adapt and change, i've always said that. and i'll probably put that as the number one reason how i've managed to keep doing music for so many years. people around you complain, they can't understand why you don't stick with a sound or a style, or ahem musical format. they moan. they wonder how you can possibly be 'into' music if you're always moving on, looking for something else. the shit, the sneers, jeers and abuse i got when i started playing cd's now i look back. omg.

but that my friends, is what keeps you in the game. music is all about moving on, adapting, changing. i do suspect, the same as wrong, that this guy is sat there moaning, making the same stuff and creating this downward spiral for himself.

there is money to be made from music that can keep you with a pretty ok living, paying the bills etc, but unfortuntely 99% of you can't sit in the studio making dance music anymore and expect that. those who have seen this have moved on, changed and learnt ways to keep themselves in music as a main job.

has music lost it's feeling? of course it hasnt. how ridiculous. there was always heaps and heaps of 2 minute throwaway tracks out there. there's just a damn sight more due to the fact any old kid can have a music making machine and churn out arse. and i'm afriad, this top producer of yours seems like one of those.

if you're at the head of your game, spending hours tweaking intricate compression settings, producing tracks that get cained at the clubs throughout the world with thousands of people going nuts over what you do ,writing to you on myspace/facebook totally passionate about your sound, there is NO WAY ON THIS PLANET you would say that. and if you did, perhaps you should get out right now ;)

[MARK ANXIOUS]

You have him on your msn, I'll let him know about this. Thanks Pat! LOL, complaining, the guy isn't complaining, he was telling about his life situation and how he has decided to change it.

Thanks for your insight though, I'm sure this big dj will benefit from it.

ps hey i'm not having a go, i just saying. after all the recent sh** between you an pat, this could be seen as you having a sly little dig to stir up trouble again, when i asked you not to. so let's stick to the topics eh and keep all this personal shit off the board ;)

[DJPAUZE]

adapt and change, i've always said that. and i'll probably put that as the number one reason how i've managed to keep doing music for so many years. people around you complain, they can't understand why you don't stick with a sound or a style, or ahem musical format. they moan. they wonder how you can possibly be 'into' music if you're always moving on, looking for something else. the shit, the sneers, jeers and abuse i got when i started playing cd's now i look back. omg.

but that my friends, is what keeps you in the game. music is all about moving on, adapting, changing. i do suspect, the same as wrong, that this guy is sat there moaning, making the same stuff and creating this downward spiral for himself.

there is money to be made from music that can keep you with a pretty ok living, paying the bills etc, but unfortuntely 99% of you can't sit in the studio making dance music anymore and expect that. those who have seen this have moved on, changed and learnt ways to keep themselves in music as a main job.

has music lost it's feeling? of course it hasnt. how ridiculous. there was always heaps and heaps of 2 minute throwaway tracks out there. there's just a damn sight more due to the fact any old kid can have a music making machine and churn out arse. and i'm afriad, this top producer of yours seems like one of those.

if you're at the head of your game, spending hours tweaking intricate compression settings, producing tracks that get cained at the clubs throughout the world with thousands of people going nuts over what you do ,writing to you on myspace/facebook totally passionate about your sound, there is NO WAY ON THIS PLANET you would say that. and if you did, perhaps you should get out right now ;)

I'd have to say that you probably have written about him in one of your monthly track reviews, I'll take a look and let you know. I really am not sure what drove him to this, his tracks are played worldwide by top artists, he plays all the big festivals as well. So again, I am not sure what the total reason for it. Hopefully I will see him online and get some more infos.

[tocsin]

And in fairness to the producer, that's not the only reason for this. He's done well financially, probably better than most. He's just gotten married and has a newborn so he wants to spend time with them atm.

Maybe its just a break, but we didnt get into that much detail.

Did you ask him if maybe the problem is that he's always been mediocre himself? I mean that quite seriously. The comment about how he'd write "big" tracks that would get "played for months" is kind of what hinted to that for me. The tracks that I, and others, considered huge from the days of past are still ones that manage to make it into my DJ sets when I do it, and are regular plays in my car or home, now well after a decade from being released.

[DJPAUZE]

Did you ask him if maybe the problem is that he's always been mediocre himself? I mean that quite seriously. The comment about how he'd write "big" tracks that would get "played for months" is kind of what hinted to that for me. The tracks that I, and others, considered huge from the days of past are still ones that manage to make it into my DJ sets when I do it, and are regular plays in my car or home, now well after a decade from being released.

The guy is far from mediocre IMO. I don't follow any of his tech-trance releases but I think it's pretty safe to say that his tracks are played in frequently all over the globe. If it's really eating you up inside pm me and I'll let you know who it is and you can decide.
I just don't want to throw it out there as a big rumour because he wants to keep it hush hush. Maybe a few gigs here and there where he is going to be living but that's it.

[tocsin]

The guy is far from mediocre IMO. I don't follow any of his tech-trance releases but I think it's pretty safe to say that his tracks are played in frequently all over the globe. If it's really eating you up inside pm me and I'll let you know who it is and you can decide.
I just don't want to throw it out there as a big rumour because he wants to keep it hush hush. Maybe a few gigs here and there where he is going to be living but that's it.

I think you're missing my point. I honestly don't care who the guy is. Problem is, particularly in the 90s, there wasn't exactly a shortage of artists who got fairly big egos by writing and selling rather predictable and catchy music that people might play out for a couple months. But, yeah, after that, like every other form of pop music, it went to the dust bin. Thus, if his test of "big" is "months," I think his issue has nothing to do with music losing its meaning, and more to do with the fact that there are no longer the same economic barriers to keep others from doing music just as well as he did. As I said, the good tracks that I enjoyed from years ago still get play from me. So, maybe his problem isn't all the other people coming in and doing shitty music. Rather, it was an unnecesary price barrier that merely prevented a lot of people from coming into it at the same time he did who had the same ammount of skill.

Personally, I'm glad that people with this attitude are jumping ship. I've always loathed that attitude. It makes no sense in "techno." The easier it is for people to use tools to express themselves, the better.

[SlavikSvensk]

i bet i know what the guys is quitting...he's lost his passion for music. it happens to most people at some point...and then you can either quit or keep going without really caring that much. quitting is not necessarily the worst of those options either. if you're not that into it anymore, let others who are take the reins and go find something else you can be more passionate about.

the "music doesn't mean as much as it once did" bit is a most likely a rationalization.

[The_Laughing_Man]

Exactly.
If THE music doesn`t mean so much to you, then go and make something else.
All that should matter is what it means to yourself, and if it means nothing, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons.

[tocsin]

i bet i know what the guys is quitting...he's lost his passion for music. it happens to most people at some point...and then you can either quit or keep going without really caring that much. quitting is not necessarily the worst of those options either.

Exactly why I started doing visuals/VJing as a regular main thing rather than a layer to live PAs. I got particularly burnt on hardcore music, and found myself to be in a rut with what I was writing. So, I took a break and focussed on something in greater detail that made it a new experience and, when I came back to playing with music again, that previous rut was over.

[DJPAUZE]

Well, I hope "the mistery artist" takes a break and comes back. Maybe he just wants to take a breather out of the limelight, who knows. But he made some phenominal tracks and I really hope he can continue to do so, even if he's not gigging.

[SlavikSvensk]

hard to agree or disagree without knowing who it is. but i'd say taking a break, or straight up finding something else to pour your energy into, is generally good advice for someone who's not feeling it anymore...

[tocsin]

hard to agree or disagree without knowing who it is. but i'd say taking a break, or straight up finding something else to pour your energy into, is generally good advice for someone who's not feeling it anymore...

You don't need to know who it is to understand that blaming others for lack of interest in your own creative output is a cop out.

[gunjack]

adapt instead of conforming. "agil" is the word of the day.....

[DarkYoung]

adapt instead of conforming. "agil" is the word of the day.....

are you a gemini dude?