Techno's in serious trouble... ( 1

**MARKEG** · 05-12-2002, 04:36 AM

RIGHT - OUTSIDE NOW.

hehehehehehhehe

**Esox Lucius** · 05-12-2002, 05:05 AM

lol

**judge jules1965** · 05-12-2002, 05:59 AM

HOW DARE YOU ALL DOUBT ME!! I AM THE FUTURE OF TECHNO!!!, YOU WOULDN`T BE DOING ANY OF THE NASTY STUFF THAT YOU HAVE DESCRIBED TO ME!! MY WIFE AMANDA (SHE WAS ANGELIC YA KNOW!) WILL KICK THE @#%$ OUT OF YOU & MY BEZZY MATE DAVE PEARCE WILL SUFFOCATE YOU WITH ONE OF HIS BASEBALL CAPS, AFTER HE ROLLS YOU ANOTHER FAT ONE!

ALL YOU DOUBTERS NEED TO SEE ME IN ACTION, WATCH IN AWE AS I MIX THE FIRST 4 BARS OF TUNE INTO EACH OTHER... WATCH IN DELIGHT AS I MIX UP POP MUSIC, CHEESEY CHART TRANCE & BANGING TECHNO AND GET THOUSANDS FOR IT.

YOU LOT ARE JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE YOU DON`T LOOK LIKE A TWAT IN TIGHT VESTS & YOUR GLASSES AREN`T AS GOOD AS MINE!!

FOR F*CKS SAKE I HAVE A RADIO1 SHOW, THIS OBVIOUSLY MAKES ME THE BEST DJ IN THE WORLD!
Edited by: judge jules1965 at: 12/5/02 1250 am

**MARKEG** · 05-12-2002, 07:00 AM

you can suck my dick

**DJZeMig_L** · 05-12-2002, 08:34 AM

My 2 cents..

I really don't care what this or that dodggy geezer plays!!

I play what I feel like, I don't care if it is techno (although I think it is 100%).... Fads come and go...

If it is commercial than just fine, maybe we can finally do what we like and get a little bit of $$ as well lol :P

honestly, what bothers me is that Mark is absolutely right about prime and so many other dist., in fact I said something similar on another topic... Now it's all about sounding like this or that producer, or u r out... but fear now soon other dist. will start gaining ground just like prime in the past when it started supporting stuff no other distr. wanted...

JJ and others alike play what they thing is Koewl and easy... Prime says this is cutting edge, so they believe it!!

I have loads of respect 4 bayer, carola, gaetek, and the likes of' em but I've never bought any 12" just because it was produced by X or Y... either I like the tracks or I don't, so when they do good (4 my personal tastes) I play it... Right now I don't think I play that many records from these guys, cause all releases have the same sound so I kinda grew out of it...

But it really fuc**** 2 seem the key players of distrib. all forgetting how they started... I had a label with Integrale and u really notice what they want 2 push and what they don't even bother 2 try and get out there..

VIVE LA RESISTANCE!!

Z

**judge jules1965** · 05-12-2002, 06:20 PM

LISTEN TO MY SHOW ON SATURDAY ON RADIO 1 & THEN TELL ME I AM NOT THE BEST TECHNO DJ IN THE WORLD!

WHO IS THIS ADAM BEYER EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT ON HERE??, SORRY I HAVE NO INTEREST IN TECHNO & DON`T FOLLOW IT, I JUST PLAY THE TUNES THAT GET SENT TO ME BY LARGE MONEY GRABBING DISTRUBUTION COMPANIES TO LOOK COOL & HIP.
Edited by: judge jules1965 at: 12/5/02 1221 am

**judge jules1965** · 05-12-2002, 06:23 PM

DON`T YOU ALL THINK I LOOK COOL AS FECK!

**judge jules1965** · 05-12-2002, 06:24 PM

YOU KNOW YOU ALL WANT TO BE ME!

**sinner** · 06-12-2002, 09:36 PM

just giving this topic a push onto the front page. disregard

**Deny Axess** · 07-12-2002, 05:09 PM

Hello my name is Stefen and I am living in New Jersey, a small town out of NYC. I frequent the local scene and help promote for TronicTreatment. A few friends of mine sent me a link and i found an interest in the subject at hand.

I believe that everything travels in cycles. Everything has a peak point, a neutral point, a decline, and then travels back down the cycle to a restart point. Sort of like a wave pattern. Well Techno has traveled its course also. Techno had its beggings in the late 80's early 90's. Then progressed steadily with the production of drum machines and reached its peak point in the 90's. Current times have shown a significant decline in advances of the music. This patter is just the natural progression of things. Its the foward movement that keeps Techno from becoming static.

**Anonymous** · 09-12-2002, 06:17 AM

What does it matter that people like Judge Jules play these records?

Techno is repetitive as ****, do you actually think it will ever get big? Get real. It's a fad that they'll soon leave behind. The club tracks of techno shouldn't mean that the more underground sounding material (mulero, wunsch, etc.) will suck too.

I'll support and play whatever I think sounds good, I don't care if the name is Marco Carola or Regis.

What is not good for techno these days is this cookie cutter techno where all it is is bang bang bang bang. The "Heroes" sound comes to mind. I really dug, but I realize there's no creativity to it and its good for a few rounds as a DJ tool.

**sinner** · 09-12-2002, 08:51 AM

I agree with parts of what you are saying.

Techno is a fad for some. And it will hopefully be a short lived fad among the masses that congregate around people like Mr. Jules, and the other sheep that have to be told whats good and whats not. And while it is a short term fling for these people, who will soon move onto whatever other people tell them is good next, it will be reptitive and boring where it is most public.

Its not saying that a track all of a sudden turns bad because Judge Jules starts playing it, and I dont think anyone else is saying that either. Its just a warning to those who actually appreciate it, that things are about to come to a major change. That its going to be taken and molded into something for the general population that cant appreciate anything past a month or so.

Maybe the reason some people turn out track upon track of the same sounding material is just to get as much as possible released in a short amount of time, Im not even going to pretend I understand anyone elses reasons for why they do things.

I do think as a whole, we are prone to being a little on the snobby side, looking down on others because we feel somewhat superior to them, and unfortunately that is sometimes because you know the person who all of a sudden says oh I love techno I cant get enough of it, is going to be onto the next big thing in a short while, and thats a little exasperating.

The reason why alot of this is currently pointed to people like Judge Jules, is because we all know that he doesnt give two tugs of a dead dogs dick about techno. He is just using whatever he can to further his own goals, which are significantly different that the ones that we seem to have.

I am a true beleiver in if it sounds good I dont care where its from, but during the period that its a fad, everything about it changes, and I think thats what everyone is somewhat concerned about.

Its always nice to see something you love go a little bit mainstream, but at the same time you have to be wary of what happens to anything that goes mainstream. The second its viewed as a fad, the marketing machine takes over. Look whats happened in music especially over the last 15-20 years. Im seeing tracks by for example Basement Jaxx, that would never see the light of day on television or even most radio ( inside north america ) 2 years ago, being used to sell people potato chips 10 times a day.

I think that should scare just about anyone.

Mike

**DJZeMig_L** · 09-12-2002, 01:36 PM

SInner,
I do agree with most of what ya said but just like I posted on another thread.. I don't see anything wrong In somestuff going overboard, why because U r bringing new people 2 the scene, people that wouldn't otherwise give a 'damn about electronica... the guys u r build apon a product will expire shortly but at least some fresh meat will come 2 play and more people will want 2 look beyond the superficial... this is what already happens but on a much smaller scale...
Sometimes these new people even bring new views... if there is no renewel of people eventually all does off.
2 keep underground all u need is like u said to keep doing things by your own rules, with out expectations, with out wanting 2 fit any particular norm!!

My 2 cents!

Z

**sinner** · 09-12-2002, 01:51 PM

New people coming into for lack of a better word, our world, isnt necessarily a bad thing. It can bring people that might not have otherwise come in, and some of them walk away forever changed. I can think of where I used to be, before I found what truly sounded good to me, and can imagine I would have been quite upset to find myself not welcome by those that were there before me.

And that should never happen. People should never feel excluded from taking part in things, and alot of them welcomed with open arms.

What bothers me to no end, not brought on by people that cross over into the techno world from outside of it, its just the constant fear of popularity.

Maybe I run into it more being on the other side of the Atlantic, where thing run a little differently than in Europe.

I'm not worried about trance or any other group of people coming into techno. Im worried about whats happened after that fact. Im worried about that banging track that you loved out of someones set becoming a car commercial 6 months from now. Thats when things get out of hand.

For me its never the people that ruin anything. Its always the people who exist just to make money off of it. Im not even faulting the people who receive the money for it.

That, or the fact I havent slept all weekend is making me paranoid

**DJZeMig_L** · 10-12-2002, 02:59 AM

I c what U mean but I firmly belive that underground lives 4ever... sure It's quite $$#$&# that some wanky geezer comes in from nowhere 2 cash in on the new thing and travels elsewhere (where the hype and $ is) next week, especially when U've been doing it all along 2 several year... but I guess that's the trade off...

Z

**mindbender** · 12-01-2003, 03:00 AM

:x I definatley disagree with where this situation might go unless something is done about it! Commercialism is evil and greedy and cut-throut. It sucks dogsh*t. ^Thoughtless crap is greedy. Originality is everything! :x

**scienceofuse** · 30-01-2004, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Downwards

the way it is going then i wouldn`t be suprised if we saw a techno track hit the charts!

of all producers i don`t like the way Umek is going, all his recent productions are all cheesey as hell & sound like they were produced in a few mins, nothing original & they all sound the same....shame really as Umek used to be an excellent producer a few years back
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Totally agree with u...

**romelpotter** · 30-01-2004, 06:00 PM

When it comes down to records and what I play, i am with DJ Ze MigL on this one. I listen to a record that i get from a huge pile of records and without looking at the label and cover i will listen to the track. if i like it i buy it, if not it gets discarded.
what i buy isn't influenced by name,colour,producer,distribuer etc. techno may very well change and thats ok by me.
as for judge gouls... all i can say is that I herd him a couple of times

in the back room @ cream in early 95. and he played techno. he was playing the same sort of records that coxy and co was playing. I roked to it as did 250 other tekno heads. but what he does now at radio 1 with his rep he can olny harm tekno but **** it if other dj's want to play records then who am i to tell them not to.

**wenna** · 30-01-2004, 06:50 PM

....then perhaps it's time!!! perhaps techno is in need of a MASSIVE shake-up???????

**djfurness** · 30-01-2004, 07:25 PM

its exactly the same with drum n bass mark....
a year or 2 ago....shy fx released ''shake ur body''...it got to number 7 in the charts....and we all thought 'shit....here we go...we are ****ed now..its just gona be garage imitation after garage imitation....''
but dnb is still goin....stronger than b4....and the innovative producers still keep pushin through.....I think a major problem with techno is the lack of new producers really breaking through and doin their thing....
the only notable breakthrough id say in the last year for me has been amok...
otherwise its the same old same old....
I mean yeah....millsy is a legend...but people still wet their pants when they see his name on a flyer or when hes got a new release out....

compare techno to dnb...
in the last year alone in dnb we have had 6 notable producers break through..
clipz,hazard,baron,twisted individual,distorted minds,generation dub...
all with their own unique sound and style....
being given breaks by the likes of roni size,andy c,ss,hype....
major league players who realise that new talent has gotta come through and that they cant run the show forever....
the big players are bringin these guys through to secure the future of dnb
how often does this happen in techno??????????
hardly ever.............the amount of releases some guys have is ridiculous....and its impossible to make so many tunes and for them all to be good...
why dont they give other guys a chance!

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